RIFF064 - Anthrax - Sound of White Noise

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Boy, boys are rubbish when they fall out, aren't they?

This is a journey into sound.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it was dead.

So it's like a supergroup.

So it's like a supergroup.

It's like a John Bush band thing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was just dead good.

It was like...

So that's not Armoured Saint.

No, no, it was like a totally, totally new band.

I think they've only done one album called Category 7.

If you've not heard it, go and listen to that.

So the band was called Category 7?

Yeah.

If you like that kind of exodus-y, slayer-y, anthrax-y stuff, you'll love it.

It's dead good.

Machine Head style.

I think it's a really cool album.

Yeah.

But yeah, John Bush was dead good.

Yeah, yeah.

But then I remember this album came out.

And a writer.

That crucial end.

I mean, at the time, I don't think I realised that he was a writer.

Because as we spoke last week, the writing nucleus of the band is the drummer, isn't it?

And the rhythm guitarist.

Scott Ian, Scott Ian, they do the writing.

They're like the crooks, aren't they, of the writing?

Yeah.

They would do the kind of the four-track.

I'm saying four-track like it's 1985.

They would do the demos and stuff.

And then the rest of the band would pull together.

But this guy's a new creative force.

We would constantly like bang stuff off each other where he would start lyrics to something

and then give them to me or I would start lyrics and then give them to John.

And it just worked out great because the stuff he would come up with, I know I wouldn't have come up with.

I think there's a whole bunch of influences that change here.

Which is like you could really underestimate the change of this by going, well, oh, it's just the vocalist change.

So we've lost Joey and we've got John Bush, who writes differently, has a different, a much more growly voice, I think.

Like Joey's voice is quite high.

It's rangy.

It's kind of, yeah, it's got that kind of power metal sort of thing, hasn't it?

But then John Bush is like listening to Alice in Chains or something or James Addiction.

It's a more grungy sound.

Yeah, it's darker and grungy.

It's weird for a band like Anthrax, who's been around in the 80s, and to make a change into a new decade.

I think it's difficult for most bands to do that.

And Anthrax has done it with very much a smooth transition.

And obviously I feel like I'm part of that transition.

But then you also had a change in record label.

So they switched from Ireland to Electra.

And then Electra connected them to Dave Jordan.

Yeah.

Now, Dave Jordan is, I mean, he's done, looking through the stuff that he has done back here.

I mean, he was, he was doing like Red Hot Chili Peppers.

Yeah.

So he did, 1984, he was the engineer for that.

It's in Social Distortion, Jane's Addiction, Alice in Chains, Fishbone.

Yeah.

In 91, he did Armoured Saints.

Okay.

So they already had that relationship.

Symbol of Salvation.

Yeah.

Dude, I didn't know.

I'm just reading down the list.

There's a bunch of stuff I didn't know about this, actually.

He did Break Like the Wind, Spinal Tap.

Are you excited about the film?

I'm so excited.

It's not far off, is it?

No, it's not.

And I keep seeing things on the internet.

I keep seeing bits on Facebook.

I so want to go and go and talk.

And they're all good.

They're all, they've, you know, they've got their thing, haven't they?

They know exactly what they're doing.

Do you know what it is about the Spinal Tap?

Just, it feels effortless when you watch, do you know what I mean?

It's like, I don't know.

I always wonder with things like that.

Is it how much of that is improvised?

Tons of it was improvised in the first one, wasn't it?

The famous, they turn up to 11, is improvised.

Yes, that's improvised.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it's Christopher Guest, isn't it?

Yeah, yeah.

He's kind of the, because he did that Best in Show as well, didn't he?

There's a few films that he was a part of.

Oh, it's great, but it's all that same humour.

Is it?

Yeah, that Best in Show was like dog shows.

There's just something about it where it's like, it's the delivery, the timing of it.

And I just.

The best one for me was The Amp Capo.

Yeah.

In the second kind of documentary they did.

It was like a reunion tour, wasn't it?

That was it, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, The Amp Capo, where you just moved it up the amp.

Yeah.

Oh, my God.

That was my favourite.

It's just, I mean, it's clearly written, but it feels just so good.

And the rock and roll getting to the stage.

Honestly, almost every gig, me and Dan quote that, because we get lost somewhere.

Yeah.

We definitely always get lost.

I forgot where I was.

Sorry.

We're talking about.

Dave Jordan.

Yeah.

So he.

I'm just, I was just looking at my, my, my tablet.

It's a good name.

Dave Jordan is.

Dave Jordan.

I think you thought I was going to be a producer.

Dave Jordan.

It sounds like a wrestler.

Dave Jordan.

Anyway, as I was going through.

So he did Sacred Rike as well.

He did Sound of White Noise by Anthrax.

It's a good album name, right?

He then did a bunch of stuff.

He did like, um, uh, Biohazard.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The Offspring.

He did Ixnay on the Hombra.

I forgot about Biohazard.

Um, Americana by The Offspring as well.

Oh, did he do that?

Yeah.

Did all kinds.

He's just.

What did he do?

Which albums did he do?

Ixnay.

Ixnay and Americana.

Yeah.

They're both great sounding albums.

They are.

Looking down his list, you know, I'm looking down this list, looking for something that I

might, that I would like.

I don't think I would like that.

You'd have to go back to like, I don't know.

He did Dirty Work by the Rolling Stones.

I quite like that.

Yeah.

Nothing Shocking by Jane's Addiction in 88.

Um, he did Talking Heads Remain in Light in 1980.

So it's eclectic as well.

Yeah.

So it's not just the gross thing.

Frank Zappa, the man from Utopia in the early 80s.

By the time he did this album, he'd been producing for 30, didn't he?

He'd been producing for 13 years.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And there's quite a bit of like new wavy, a bit new wavy there as well, isn't there?

A lot of it.

So he was engineering and mixing up to, like started really in 1980, engineered and mixed

up to, I would say like 86.

Yeah.

And then started to produce.

So, um, but one of the first ones he produced actually was Nothing Shocking by Jane's Addiction.

Got to do Jane's Addiction.

Yeah, we have.

We've definitely got to do Jane's Addiction.

I do like Jane's Addiction a lot.

They get, they get, they get kind of like, not forgotten about, but they're not spoken about

as much as they're such an influential band, really.

It's like, Black Crows are a bit like that to me.

Yeah, yeah.

It's easy to forget how good they are.

Anyway, so he was dead good.

So we've got vocalist change.

Yeah.

We've got a label change.

Yeah.

And we've got Dave Jordan.

Yeah.

And then engineering changes as well.

Yeah, yeah.

And then the world around Anthrax has changed, you know?

Yeah, yeah.

So, so there was a definite step away from that kind of thrash, really.

Yeah.

Well, really conscious.

There's not much thrashy on this at all.

No, it's kind of, it's very hard rocky.

Yeah.

Even proggy bits.

Yeah.

Anthrax.

But again, like Megadeth and Metallica, they were hard rock at this point.

All of them.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah, yeah.

Everyone had made the transition.

Metallica was smashing out Load and Reload and all that.

And were the fans going with them?

Yeah.

Really?

They were just like, yeah.

You were either going down this path or like extreme music was probably still, still going.

And you had Death and things like that that were still kind of going through.

But it's interesting, if you were a Metallica fan, you know, they, what, mid-80s?

This is like mid-90s, so it's another 10 years.

So if you picked up these when you were 15, you're now in your late 20s.

Yeah.

And so, I don't know.

You kind of go with, I'm thinking about Green Day.

Yeah.

And I'm thinking about, because obviously I got into music a little bit later than this.

Guitar music, you know, in a big way.

And I was an early adopter of Green Day and I got into them really early.

Yeah.

But loved them all the way through.

Yeah.

And as they evolved.

You evolved with them.

I love their stuff with them.

Up until more recently, where I'm not really switched on to it very much.

But the, maybe it's the same as that.

Maybe it's.

Maybe.

But then Green Day haven't changed stylistically much.

They've written like some, they've written loads more pop songs.

They've got really good songs and writing and that.

Yeah, that's true.

But in terms of like the essence of the music, it's still punk.

It's still a bit rock and roll.

Yeah.

Full chord.

Whereas this, I think where I'm going with it is the Anthrax is such a different sound.

It is.

It's almost like the difference between something like Rage Against the Machine and Audio Slayer.

Anthrax is a heavy metal band.

Granted, we've done a lot of things that have probably really pushed the boundaries of what

was known as heavy metal.

Whether it was something we did in rap or something we did with this or with that, it's always sounded

like Anthrax and that's the one thing I love about this band is I feel we could do anything.

It tests all different kinds of genres and this and that, but you know, putting all these

different things into our music and it's always going to sound like us.

It hasn't not sounded like us yet.

So I never feel limited or stifled or anything.

Actually, I think they found like a new audience.

Yeah.

I mean, like Metallica did as well to a degree.

Like when I discovered Metallica with like Kill Em All and then we had a like Master and

then, you know, then they started to go like a little bit, I think kind of quite proggy

Metallica did.

So you kind of heard it and Justice.

Yeah.

And then you had the Black Album.

Yeah.

And then it went.

Which one had one on it?

It was on Justice.

That was the turning point, wasn't it?

That was bizarre.

That was a bizarre sounding.

That was like Uber.

And we covered that, but that's like Uber dry.

Yeah.

Super weird sounding.

It was quite a cool sounding record, but Uber weird.

No, nothing sounded like that.

You could play somebody three seconds of that and they would know which album, even if they

were a Metallica fan, they probably know which album that was wrong.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But the bit that's interesting for me with Metallica is by the time you're

into Load and Reload, they're hard rock songs.

There's nothing thrashy about it.

There's nothing thrashy on the Black Album.

There's nothing really thrashy on Unjustice, to be honest.

It's really, it's getting quite technical.

Yes, yeah.

I mean, even Blacken's not like super fast, really.

So, but it's interesting.

I think they then collected a ton of new fans for the Black Album.

Yeah.

Like with Enter Sandman and stuff.

And I think the same is true of Anthrax here.

Yeah.

Only was the big single.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kick drum beginning.

And it kind of really, but the productions, the drums are dry sounding.

Lovely, beautiful drum sound on this record.

Really, really good.

The guitars, I think, you know, I think Spinal Tap-esque.

The compressors are up at 11.

Yeah.

There's a solid wall of guitars, whereas you compare that to, like you said, it sounds like

a different band.

Yeah.

If you compare that to, you know, if you compare that to where they were on the previous record,

it was kind of scooped as mids as scooped a little bit.

And, you know, the guitars have got a little bit of texture to some degree on A Persistence of Time.

Yeah.

There's a very different guitar tone.

Yeah, absolutely.

100%.

Whereas this is kind of, it's, yeah, slabby, thick, it's heavy.

I like it.

I like this sound.

I think that's the, yeah.

I've got a very, very distinct guitar sound.

This sounds 90s to me, and it's interesting.

I think Persistence of Time still got that 80s tinge to it, whereas this is like full-on,

you know, I guess it's chasing the success.

I think this is all chasing the success of Metallica's Black Album.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But then also, it's like, you know, what Alice in Chains were doing, and, you know, it's chasing

that stuff, I think, whether it was calculated.

Yes, yeah, yeah.

Or whether it was just, and we've talked about this before, where, you know, whether you've

just been influenced by what's going on around you, you know, you're in a studio, you've got

a new vocalist, you've got a new record label with the, you know, expectations that that brings,

and then you've got, you know, a bunch of new people around you, and engineers and mixers

and all those people.

I don't know whether you, I mean, are you just going to be influenced by what you've heard?

Yeah.

Or is it a case of, well, Alice in Chains are dead successful, and Metallica were dead

successful.

Yeah.

We're just going to, you know what I mean?

We're just going to, you know what I mean.

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I don't think a human being could live that long.

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I was never even a fan.

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I don't even care.

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Should it be a new back?

Should it have had a new band name?

Should it have been a different?

Yes, we've talked about that before.

It is so different, isn't it?

I think it's a big difference from things that we've done in the past,

especially having John in the band.

He kind of injected.

I mean, we have a singer in the band now who's writing lyrics

and who's a big part of the creative process.

I think I'm a pretty soulful singer.

And I think I have an aggressive sounding voice.

And I think you combine that with the aggressive anthrax music.

It just, to me, it just makes it even that much more powerful.

We have a singer now in the band who was writing and a part of creating the songs

because with Joey in the band, he never, he didn't write anything.

He wasn't a part of any of the creativity of this band really.

And it was just becoming more and more of a frustration because we really wanted to have a singer

who would be able to walk in a studio and be singing something that he had a hand in.

The first time as a band, we kind of put ourselves in the hands of someone else

who had this vision from the start of what he wanted things and how he wanted things to go.

The idea behind that song is based in religion and morality issue of abortion.

And instead of just coming out and kind of slapping you in the face with an opinion,

we just went about it in a way where we created a situation.

There are some people when they leave a band that you think, you know, that's it.

Like when Ozzy left Black Sabbath, that for me was still Black Sabbath.

And even when like Dio did like such an awesome job.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But it didn't, that's not my Black Sabbath with Dio.

No.

I mean, completely love what he did.

Should they have called it something else?

Yeah.

And it's, there's, I think there's so many cases of that where you just think actually,

I mean, Sepultura is a brilliant example.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Where, when the kind of core members, all that was left really was Andreas Kisser and Sepultura

and they carried on with the name and they sounded for me not Sepultura anymore.

No, no, it was a different beast.

Yeah.

You know, and you've got to think like if, if James Hetfield left Metallica.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And they got somebody else.

Yeah.

Would that still be Metallica?

Yeah.

I'd argue probably not.

But then Linkin Park, when Chester died, they came back with Emily.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bizarre.

That's still Linkin Park to me.

Yeah, great.

Still sounds like Linkin Park.

Still feels like Linkin Park.

Still got the same ethos there.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't know.

Someone of a, actually totally different gender.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it's, it's, oh, mate, I, I, I do not know how you would, you know, what are the rules?

Where's the line?

Where are the rules?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

There's gotta be a rule for this somewhere, but I don't know what the rules are.

Like, sometimes it makes sense.

Yeah.

And you think, yeah, that's totally fine.

AC/DC.

Mm.

Right.

Vocalist change.

Yeah.

Then they do the Black Album with Brian.

Yeah, yeah.

Smash it.

Absolutely brilliant.

Still AC/DC.

Yeah, yeah.

Vocalists change.

That's interesting, isn't it?

Yeah.

And it just doesn't work.

It's not the same.

I wonder, I wonder if it's the creative nucleus.

It could be like, Skid Row's a good one for this, right?

Yeah.

So Skid Row, when Sebastian Bach left, Sebastian Bach wasn't a key part of the songwriting.

No.

Although, not, I mean, you never really know the truth with, with Skid Row.

But they, they, they claim that the, that was all Rachel Bolan.

Mm.

And, you know, the writing was all happening there.

And then, uh, Seb would just turn up and belt the.

Yeah.

Belt the song.

Yeah.

And then, and then go home kind of thing.

Yeah, yeah.

And anyone could kind of come in and do the same job.

And when he left, Skid Row stopped.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know what I mean?

Skid Row stopped being Skid Row at that point.

Yeah.

And I think possibly because his voice, his stylistic voice was so unique.

Right.

That's what you, that's what you get.

Yeah.

But he wasn't a big part of that.

The creative bit, right.

Same thing with Anthrax.

Like Jerry Belladonna's voice is, is rangy and dynamic and unique.

And not, no one really sounds like Jerry Belladonna, but I don't know.

Like this album still sounds like Anthrax to me.

Yeah.

I know it sounds different.

It sounds radically different, but it still sounds like Anthrax.

And I don't know what I, and I cannot tell you why this still sounds like Anthrax,

but Skid Row's albums after Sebastian Bach don't sound like Skid Row.

No.

It sounds like really hypocritical and kind of like, you're just making it up as you

go along and probably are.

Yeah.

But it's weird, isn't it?

Yeah, it is weird.

Like some bands just seem, yeah.

Like one person will leave and that seems to like, that's it.

Yeah.

It's just kind of game over.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like imagine, I don't know, like Megadeth without Dave Mustaine.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The Pumpkins without Billy.

Yes.

Yeah, absolutely.

And he's gone and done a few other things and called it something else.

Yeah.

But it still sounds like the Pumpkins to me.

Yeah.

That's the thing.

Because his voice is so, it's just, no one sings like that.

No one's got that voice.

Yeah.

I mean, it's bizarre, isn't it?

Like I'm thinking like, like Napalm Death went through vocalist changes when Barney took

over.

That changed their sound.

But their sound was kind of changing anyway.

And it still sounded like Napalm Death to me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The vocalist change.

And there are bands that haven't had change.

Like I'm thinking of Prong.

Yeah.

Like Tommy Victor's been part of, you know, he probably is his band essentially.

But they've not, they've stylistically been the same.

All the way through.

All the way through.

There's very little deviation.

You could put any song on any album and they'd still sit together, wouldn't they?

Pretty much.

Yeah, they've, yeah.

I mean, the production gets better, you know, and all of that stuff.

And the songs, I think, get better.

But yeah, there's not a big stylistic change in any of the Prong records.

But yeah, it's super weird.

Interestingly, this change from Anthrax didn't last that long.

They did this change.

John Bush, I think, did two records, three records.

And then Joey Belladonna comes back in like 2011 or whatever it was.

But I find it, they didn't immediately go back to persistence of time, Anthrax.

No.

They kind of stuck with this kind of heavier, darker sound.

background.

And then they've kind of gone back a little bit lately in the-

I'm actually thinking it's amazing that they're, they're still, they're still a creative force that aren't necessarily dining out on their back catalog.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Which is an interesting thing.

Like when they're doing the new, you know, they did a couple of new tours.

Yeah.

You know when they saw my download, didn't we, a few years ago.

And it all sounded fresh.

It didn't, it didn't, it didn't sound-

You know when you have a band and they've been going for, you know, hundreds of years and you watch them and it's like, oh, they're just playing the great, like, I made the great example.

Yeah, yeah.

You're watching that.

They're putting on a show.

It's very, very theatrical.

It's very well rehearsed.

Kiss, same, the same.

It was that same year, wasn't it?

Um, oh no, it was a year after.

But there, but it was that, that thing.

But you know, you're watching almost like a legacy arena band.

Yeah.

If that makes sense.

Yeah, no, you're right.

Whereas when you watch Anthrax, it's still a bit rock and roll.

It's still a bit like-

Yeah.

They've got something to prove.

They've got something to do, you know.

I think they, yeah.

Yeah.

I think they absolutely love it.

Mm.

And do you know the other thing I love about Anthrax?

Um, and if you're not on, I think it's on Instagram.

I get confused when I do social media, but it's one of the like shorts.

Yes.

Things like the YouTube shorts or Instagram shorts or whatever.

Um, Scott Ian and his son play other bands songs.

Yes.

So they'll do like Metallica and Slayer tracks and his son plays and plays the drums.

And I don't know.

But there's just like, you know, when you see somebody, you can quite clearly see he adores

this stuff.

He's just having a good time in his life.

Scott is just having the best time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

You know, this isn't, he's not, um, I think what you saw with Slayer, Tom Aurea particularly,

this was a job to him.

Yeah.

This was a nine to five job.

He turned up contractually, got told where to go, did his stuff and then finished.

Right.

I don't think he was in love with what he was doing.

Whereas I think Scott, I mean, any opportunity and Scott Ian is there playing on it.

Like there's any kind of like, you know, aid project for somewhere as an album to play

on.

There's a, you know, a tribute to somebody that's Scott Ian's there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

With his stupid V shaped guitar riffing away, banging his head.

Do you know what I mean?

He's just having the time of his life.

He's like a puppy.

But you see that enthusiasm from him still.

And I think if you're in a band with somebody like that, if you're on any kind of project

with somebody like that, who's got that much enthusiasm, it's going to pull you through,

isn't it?

It's going to carry you on a little bit.

For me, I think, like Charlie Benante is the brains and the commercial behind.

He's got the commercial announce behind.

He's the guy that understands how the business works, where the money comes from, how they,

you know, continue to make the anthrax business tick.

Yeah.

And I think that that kind of undying passion for metal is Scott Ian.

Not that the rest of the band don't have it, but I think he's like wound up to 11 all

day, every day, you know?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it was lovely.

It was brilliant to see him at the Back to the Beginning tour.

Yes.

Scott was in like Anthrax.

He was in like all the other bands.

You know what I mean?

He was like every time a guitarist like Scott would come out, you know?

And you could just see he's like, he's like that.

I don't know.

The face is just beaming.

You know, there's this grin on his face.

Just like, I don't know, like a kid in a sweet shop.

Yeah.

But yeah, I don't know when they'll stop because Megadeth have said they're stopping.

They're no more now.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I don't know whether, I don't know what Anthrax will do, but I tell you what though,

if Anthrax do call it quits, Scott Ian will be in another band.

10 minutes later.

I'm doing this now.

Yeah.

I'm hoping now of him stopping.

I don't think, I think he's going to be playing for, you know, forever.

But yeah, I didn't, there's something particularly nice about that, you know?

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's like a live show as well.

So if you've not seen Anthrax live and you like them, you don't think that they're going

to be like a tribute band.

Yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's...

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You worship the ground, you barely walk on

You can't prove yourself, but your angels are gone

Deny your body's screaming

But your heart and your soul are bleeding

Just a fall asleep is a godsend

Until your demons appear again

I am a witness to your demise

The biggest secret is one you can't keep

Lift up your hand if you're only asleep

You try to hold on to reason

Why can't you see that you're leaving?

My love for you knows no distance

I can't fight your resistance

I am a witness to your demise

I am the one who saw through the blind

I am the one who saw through the blind

I am the one who saw through the blind

I am the one who saw through the blind

I am the one who saw through the blind

I am the one who saw through the blind

I am the one who saw through the blind

I am the one who saw through the blind

I am the one who saw through the blind

I am the one who saw through the blind

I am the one who saw through the blind

I am the one who saw through the blind

I am the one who saw through the blind

I am the one who saw through the blind

But your heart and your soul they are bleeding

Just to fall asleep is a ghatsin'

Until your demons appear again

I am a witness to your demise

I am the one who saw through the blind

I am the one who saw through the blind

I am the one who saw through the blind

My love has always been blind

Give me the one thing you can't hear

Give me the one thing you can't hear

Take me to the black lodge where you live

Give me the one thing you can't hear

Give me the one thing you can't hear

Give me the one thing you can't hear

Give me the one thing you can't hear

Give me the one thing you can't hear

Take me to the black lodge where you live

Give me the one thing you can't hear

Take me to the black lodge where you live

Give me the one thing you can't hear

Take me to the black lodge where you live

Give me the one thing you can't hear

Take me to the black lodge where you live

Where you live

Where you live

Where you live

Where you live

Everybody in the band is just so easy to get along with

And there's such a good rapport that it's kind of astonishing

I've only been in the group a year

I feel like I've been in this group ten years now

Which is really good

It's a real good comfortable environment

The other thing that I got

And it's funny you should say

You brought up back to the beginning

And something that I think is really important to talk about

Is the sense of community that these bands appear to have between them now

Yeah

Because I don't know if

I don't know about the scene back in the day

But I don't know if it was

You know like when some bands

Where everyone's a little bit competitive

Like that hair metal thing

Was a very competitive

Kind of world to be in

And it was a little bit like

Everyone was wanting to do the

You know, be better than the other ones

Yeah, outdo the

Yeah, we can have a bigger rotating drum kit

Yeah, yeah

There's a lot of that

Whereas I get the sense with this slot

Whereas it's probably more like

The grunge thing

When they're all

In each other's pockets

In each other's bands

Yeah, yeah

They're all in everyone else's bands

Yeah

I think

I'm not sure it was like that

Quite so much at the time

I think in the

I think in the mid-80s it was

Yeah, yeah

They were all playing in the same places

All borrowing stuff

And you know

People were in each other's bands

And that kind of stuff

And then I think

Through the commercial years

Probably not

So those kind of

You know

The mid-80s to the mid-90s

Probably

I don't think it was

Lots of these bands went on hiatus

From like mid-90s through to the mid-2000s

Yeah, yeah, yeah

Or even later than that

Probably like 15

Well, yeah

I don't know

Probably 10, 15 years on hiatus

Many of these bands

Yeah, yeah

Just dining out on cash that was made

You know, previously

But I think now

Yeah

There's this

I mean, so many of them died as well

So many of them died to drugs

And to drink and stuff

Yeah, yeah

I think there's kind of a bit of a camaraderie now

Yeah

Where, you know, we're all in it

Yeah, I guess a dying animal, right?

Yeah, yeah

They don't make rock stars quite like that anymore

No

So they're like, you know, we went through it

You know, so I definitely think there's an amount of that

Yeah, yeah

I sensed it this year

Even on a little level

When we were doing the download thing

Yeah

And the 2000 trees and things like that

They'd never sensed

I'd never sensed anything where anyone was like

Not being cool

Yeah

You know, not being cool with each other

And it all felt

Everyone was quite happy to have a chat

And hang out

And

It was Dan with you

Yeah

Dan

That was Dan

For those that don't know Dan

Dan

Dan looks rock and roll, doesn't he?

Yeah, yeah, he is

And we don't look rock and roll

So we never

We're walking through there

And we're like, oh, somebody's dad's lost

But then

But then, like, Dan will be there

And then, like, I don't know

Like, Kiss just walk up to Dan

And go, alright, Dan

Yeah

Like, Dan, how do you know that?

It was the guitarist from Ghost, wasn't it?

Ghost, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

And we're like, how do you know that?

How do you know that?

He's like, oh, I just know him

It doesn't make any sense, Dan

Yeah, it just is

Yeah

But he knows everyone, doesn't he?

Yeah, yeah, absolutely

That was Dan, for sure

Yeah

Everything's cool when Dan's around

Yeah, definitely

He needs to come on the show still

Yeah, yeah

People are thinking

He's been saying this for years

People are thinking he doesn't exist

He played

We did a thing the other day

He was playing this Telecaster

That he's borrowed off someone, mate

Oh, that cream

No, no, no

It's a different one

Like a Sunburst thing

That he's borrowed off someone

One of his mates

Borrowed

And it's like, that other person could not have that guitar back

That's, it was like, he made it sing

It was, you know

Dan's good thing

He plays an amazing player anyway

But, like, this particular guitar

He just connected with it on some ethereal level

And, you know, it was the point where I was like

I was like, I was just extending things

By double or treble, you mad

Just to hear him riff over it

And have a great time

I always remember that story

Where we came back from London

Yeah

And we got Paddy in the back of the car

And me and Dan

Paddy was knackered

Yeah

So he was like, you know

He's fallen asleep in the back of the car

Yeah, yeah

And me and Dan were playing heavy metal in the front

And we'd forgotten Paddy was there

Yeah

And then, like, about 45 minutes into the journey

I just heard Paddy go

You two, stop playing heavy metal

I'm like, oh god, yeah

I forgot

Trying to kip

Trying to have a kip

Poor Paddy was trying to have a nap

Well, there you go

Oh, do you know, we were

We went through

You know, when you kind of have that journey

Of music

We played everything from, like, the cult

Yeah

To, like, Carcass and Napalm Death

And, like, all the bits in between

And, like, we were playing Black Crows

We played, like, Jane's Addiction

It's really interesting

Because I don't listen to music on the road at all

Don't you?

No

I can't cope with it

No

We went to the Lake District

It's like six hours

Yeah

Radio 2 all the way

And I wanted to poke my face off

It was horrific

It was just, like, awful

Michelle Visage

Quiet music times

It's just, oh god, kill me

It's awful

And then on the way back

I made them listen to Tool and Perfect Circle

For six hours

I mean, that's quite

It's wicked

Yeah, it's proggy, that isn't it?

So bloody good as well

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

Do you know when it's kind of like

Oh, it's just

Yeah

This is

I tell a lie

What I'll do is

I'll be obsessed with an album

And I'll have it rolling round

Yeah, yeah, yeah

On the way, and on the way back

I'll do that a few times

Yeah

That's something that hits quite a lot

If there's, like, an album that I really want to get into

I'll use a car journey to kind of, like, lose myself into it a bit

Into it, yeah

No, I'm very much a listener on

Yeah

But then I've not got a car where my phone connects to it

Hmm

And I'm not a bit lazy to get CDs out

Even though I've got the world's biggest

We're going to do that in a bit, aren't we?

It does

Is this the first week of the CD pack?

Yeah

I

Yeah, no, I listen to all kinds of stuff

So I listen on Apple Music mostly

Yeah

And

Both cars that I'll drive

They've either got CarPlay or Apple Music in them

So I can just listen

And I like it

Because it kind of remembers what I've been listening to

Yeah, yeah, yeah

So I'll be at my desk

Yeah, yeah, yeah

And I'll listen to music

Yeah

And then I get in the car

Yeah

And it kind of remembers

Like, the last albums

Yeah

That I've been listening to

So usually like the one that we're doing for the show

And then there'll be stuff like in orbit around that

They'll kind of, you know, you know what I mean?

Like, for example, this week

There's like loads of Armoured Saints

Yeah, yeah, yeah

And, you know, other bits of stuff like that

Yeah, you see, I'm more of like a

Chuck a podcast on an audiobook kind of driver

Yeah, you do

I don't, I can't do podcasts when I'm driving

No

I really struggle with that

I do at home

Yeah, yeah, yeah

I listen to podcasts loads on

But when I'm driving

It's got to be music or nothing

Yeah

So like, yeah

But

Yeah, I do podcasts and audiobooks, I do

Do you?

Yeah, I do, yeah

I like, I tell you

I love Hitchhiker's Guide when I'm at home

Yeah

I reckon I've listened to Hitchhiker's Guide a hundred times

Oh wow

Probably

The original, the original BBC

Yeah, the original BBC one from the 80s

I've got the original CDs

Have you?

And yeah, I listen to those

Are they yellow?

No

They've not gone yellow?

They've stayed silver

They've stayed silver

They've stayed silver

Beautiful, I'll have you know

But they're so, I've listened to them so many times

I've kind of memorised

Yeah, yeah, yeah

So I know exactly what's coming

And Leo, my eldest, he listened to it to go to sleep to

From when he was like two or three years old

I discovered that he would go to sleep to it

Yeah

And I loved it, so we would listen to that

And now he's like totally

Goated to it

Yeah, yeah, yeah

It's so nice to hear him come out with Hitchhiker's Guide gags

Yeah

And his teachers are like

Oh, yeah, yeah

You're one of us, aren't you?

Yeah

But yeah, it's cool

But you know, I do listen

I listen to loads of music in the car

Yeah, yeah

I like screamy along music

I take, like music that I love when I'm at my desk

Often I don't love

Yeah, it's different vibes

Like I've been listening to Dillinger Escape Plan a lot this week

Okay

Oh, last week

It's Monday

So last week I listened to loads of Dillinger

And like between The Buried and Me

And kind of that kind of stuff

I don't like that stuff in the car very much

No

But I do like this album

I like Sound of White Noise

I like kind of stuff I can do

Like Green Day

Yeah

Offspring

Yeah, yeah, yeah

Love all that

You know, stuff that you can properly

Totally

Yeah

I think I'm a bit of an old man though

Because I'm like

There's all this new music that I don't know

And I'm not

Oh

And it comes on and I'm like

It's alright

Yeah

Oh yeah, that's good

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

And then Pumpkin's back on

Pumpkin's back on, yeah

There's nothing wrong with that though, is there?

Yeah

I've got a CD in my car

Have you?

Yeah

I bought myself

It cost me two pounds

I bought a 1990s copy of Superstar Car Wash

Ah

You've not got a vinyl yet though, have you?

Two pounds

Two pounds

The vinyl

Yeah

399 pounds

And I'm just like, no

Just, no

It'll arrive though

You'll find one

One will come up for about 50 quid

Definitely

The one did come up

One did come up about two weeks ago

Yeah

And it was on YouTube

Not on YouTube, on eBay

Mmm

And I saw it within a millisecond

I rang the store

Mmm

And he said, someone's been in to get it mate

Wow

And I'm like, what?

That's, no

Mmm

Stupid

Mmm

Metal Blade Records produced it

And I think they must have printed like five

Stupid

Absolutely stupid

I tried to find a record shop in

We were in a place called Whitehaven at the weekend

I love Whitehaven

Do you like it?

I like the rum shop there

Do you?

Jefferson's Rum, is it?

I don't know

Oh yeah, no, you're right

A rum museum

They've got the harbour

Yeah

And it was lovely

We went to a place called The Howling Wolf

Yeah

And had a burger for lunch

It was lovely

Yeah

And I thought, I just, I'm just in the mood to go and look at records

Mmm

And the kids went, oh no, boring

Where is it?

There's the Pencil Museum

Is that in Whitehaven?

There is

I don't know

There's a property

There's a Pencil Museum

I don't know if there'd have been a Pencil Museum

It might have totally gone

Yeah

But I, anyway, I programmed in the sat nav to go to the record shop

Literally a man's house

Wow

And I wasn't brave enough to go in

It was like a guy's house

Yeah, yeah, yeah

And looking online

It's like, literally he's got boxes of records in his garage

And you go and knock on his door and say, can I have a look in your garage?

And he's like, yeah, you can have a rummage

And then, there you go

Where's a rummage?

Where's a rummage?

But I, yeah, I didn't, I didn't dare do it

No

So I didn't

There you go

What are we going to do now?

Facts

Um, I've got a short but interesting set of facts

Short but interesting

Is that a, do they call that a sting?

Yeah, that's a sting

Not the sting?

No

Every prayer you take

Royalty's

Yeah, he'll be there

He'll be there

He'll be waiting at the bottom of the stairs when we leave the studio with his hand out

You owe me a tenner

Um, this album, Sand of White Noise, was released on the 25th of May 1993 on Elektra

The band's first album on Elektra

Um, the first with John Bush, the last with Dan Spitz

Now, I have a question for you Mr. Baldwin

Yes

Dan Spitz

Yeah

Not only left Anthrax

Yeah

Left the music world entirely

What did he do?

Oh wow, this is a good game

It is

You will not guess this, but guess

Uh, I think

So I'm thinking about Daniel Day-Lewis

Yeah

And Daniel Day-Lewis as an actor decided that he just wanted to be a cobbler

And do shoes

A bit like that

So I think it's that kind of thing

It is a bit like that

Where you

He became

One of

The world's

Most eminent

Master watchmakers

Oh, that's so cool

So he left Anthrax

Got two degrees

And then he went to study at Shopard

And there's a

There is a

In Switzerland

There is a

Like a

The greatest watchmakers of the world

I've got a thing

I can talk to you about that

About

But he went there

Yeah

Then

Off air I've got a thing

Actually I've got a thing

Have you?

Yeah, yeah, yeah

Really interesting thing

So he went there

And you have to bear in mind that that school take ten people a year

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

And there are thousands that apply

And he was one of the ten that was chosen

Is that where Geneva is?

Yeah

Yeah

Well, yeah, Geneva's in Switzerland, yeah

Yeah

So he did that

And then he went off and did a bunch of other stuff

And then became one of the master watchmakers

He works on watches like hundreds of thousands of dollars

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

Now he's got his own watch company

Yeah

In the US

What's it called?

Dan Spitz watches

Something like Dan Spitz horology

Hort horology

Horology, yeah, yeah, yeah

Something like that

Spitzaland

You've got to call it Spitzaland

Of course you've got to call it Spitzaland

What else are you going to call it?

Oh my god

Oh

Okay

He needs to sort it out

Oh god

Honestly

Why is he not calling it that?

Spitzaland watches

Spitzaland watches

Anyway

Yeah, so not only did he leave music

And leave anthrax

And go into watchmaking

But he's like

Dead good at it

Yeah

He's like a world

World renowned

He's

He's defined in the

Information about

He's one of the watchmakers that watchmakers call when they get stuck

Really?

So absolutely

So if he was watching the YouTube video

And the man who takes the watches apart

Refurbishes them and puts them back together

Wristwatch Revival

Which is just dead good

Yeah, it's one of my favourite YouTube shows

He'd understand it

He'd know where all those bits go

Oh, he's the guy that the Wristwatch Revival guy would go to and tell

I can't do this

Mate, I've put this thing in the wrong place

And he'd be like

Oh, totally fixed you

It's upside down you dickhead

I need to

But yeah, anyway

I

I just thought it was excellent

I just think it's one of those things which is phenomenal

That is so cool

And the pictures

That is so cool

When you see pictures of Dan Spitz

From back in the Anthrax days

He looks like a heavy metal guitarist

Yeah

Then you see pictures of him now

He looks like a watchmaker

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

Totally different dude

I'd definitely do that

If my eyes were good enough

And I could see

They have all big magnifiers, don't they?

Yeah

I definitely

That's what I'd do

I'd do that

Another top tips

And we've talked about this before

But if you like wristwatches

And you need something to go to sleep to

YouTube Wristwatch Revival

Yeah

And it's just

I'm watching one when I get home now

Oh, so good

If ever I can't sleep

I love it

It's so calming

Yeah, yeah, yeah

But the thing is

Even though it's quite calm

There's like a story arc

Where he starts taking things apart

Yeah, I don't know

Because I got stressed

Yeah, you're going

Oh, he's never going to know

Where to put that back again

And then as he starts assembling again

Your heart rate

And you're like

Oh, he does know

And it all comes out of the watch cleaner

And it's all beautiful

And then

Oh, I love that a lot

So that's like

Yeah, what's that art called?

That's got a name to it

Oh, I don't know

When you create tension

And then you resolve it

Anyway, yeah

That's what he's doing

He's very clever

But he's good, yeah

He is

It definitely does that

The album

Despite

Having fairly significant changes

So the first one with John Bush

The first one on Elektra

Very radically different style

It reached number seven

On the Billboard 200

Which was the highest

Their highest ranking album

To that point

So radical change

New

New, new things

New production

Dave Jordan

Doing the

The knob twiddling

In the studio

And

Yeah, I don't think anyone

Really knew what was going to happen

No, no

And absolutely smashed it

It was certified

Gold

In

1993

So it sold half

That's half a million units

On the release year

Has some lovely singles

One of them

My favourites

Is Black Lodge

Yes

Black Lodge

Was co-written

With Angelo

Badalamenti

Yeah

I don't know whether I've said that correctly

You nailed him, mate

We played that one a bit earlier

Angelo Badalamenti

Yeah

It's nice to say it

Yeah, Badalamenti

Badalamenti

Yeah

Oh, do you know

It's-a-me Mario

Yeah

You know when he goes

It's-a-me Mario

Like that on the Nintendo

Yeah

I always used to think it was

It's-a-me Mario

It's-a-me Mario

Yeah, that's not what he's saying apparently

Oh

It's itsumi

Which is a Japanese word

Oh

Which means super

Super Mario

Yeah

God

I feel educated now

There we go

Where'd I got to?

I don't know if that's true

Well, it is now

But it was a meme, so

It is now

Yeah

Oh, so Black Lodge

Black Lodge

Co-written with Angelo Badalamenti

And

Yeah, it was

It was

Part of

Twin Peaks

It was taken from

The Black Lodge

And Twin Peaks

It was

Obviously

A crossover thing

But bizarre

Sounds wicked

It's a wicked, wicked sound

Bizarre track

On an Anthrax album

Yeah

No

Like distorted guitars

It's really proggy

Yeah, it's quite cool

It's dark

If Opeth

Put that out

Menacing

You'd be like

Oh yeah

It's quite dark

Quite menacing

This is not a fact

Well, it is a fact

But it's not a fact

There's an Amiga game

Called Dune 2

Came out in 93

And me and my mate Tony

Would put this album on repeat

On his compact disc player

And then we would play Dune 2

Till like 2 or 3 in the morning

Yeah

And then go to college the next day

Yeah, yeah, yeah

And when you're like

I don't know how old it would have been then

But like

18 or whatever

I think that's what we're doing now

Is it?

I think we're doing the same thing

Like

Because we don't normally leave here until about that time

Do we?

No, no

If we're doing it

But it's like

We used to

And it was fine

Yeah, yeah, yeah

We used to get up at like

6 o'clock and go to college

Yeah

And at no point did I think

Oh, I wish I hadn't stayed up till 2 o'clock

Yeah

Mining spice

Do you know what I mean?

I just used to like

Turn up to Burton Technical College

And smash out a maths exam

And I'd be like

Brilliant

I'd be in the pub

For the rest of the day

And that was the way it was

Yeah

Right

Yeah, so that was

That was Black Lodge

Very cool

Very weird track

For an Anthrax album

But it turned out to be

Big

It was a big single

Oh, it was a single?

Yeah, yeah, yeah

It was a big deal

Producer change

So Dave Jordan

Dave Jordan produced

Massive stuff

And it made this album

Sound massive

Jane's Addiction

Alice in Chains

And yeah

It's an interesting

Tone change for me

Yeah

Clearly

Lots of compression

Yeah, yeah, yeah

Apparently

Dave Jordan

Used this multi-mic

Technique for vocals

Wow, okay

So

To allow kind of

Movement in the vocal booth

And a bunch of other things

Yeah, yeah, yeah

There was multi

Layers of compression

On the guitar

Guitars

And you can hear it

It sounds

Yeah

It's like

It's got a punch

You've got a weight

Yeah, I like the sound

I do like the sound

I particularly like

The drums on

Only

Yeah

I'm just dropping that in

Because you said it

Because you said it

Because you said it

Somewhere else

But I can't find

Where you said that

So I'm just saying it again

So I can put it here

This is where

Only's going to go

Yeah, yeah, yeah

I'm just saying it's going to go to the floor

Yeah, yeah, yeah

I'm just going to go to the floor

Yeah, yeah, yeah

I'm just going to go to the floor

Yeah, yeah, yeah

I'm just going to go to the floor

I'm just going to go to the floor

Yeah, yeah

I'm just going to go to the floor

Yeah, yeah

I'm just going to go to the floor

Yeah, yeah

I'm just going to go to the floor

Yeah, yeah

I'm just going to go to the floor

Yeah, yeah

I'm just going to go to the floor

Yeah, yeah

I'm just going to go to the floor

Everything is perfect

Everything is sick

And that's it

You can't tell me to stop it

You can't tell me not to quit

And that's it

But move around yourself

It's you and no one else

Hard for me to stay

Swing and moods have changed

Calmness to direct

Unpredictable

Unpredictable

You would see it

Only

You hadn't taken things out of my hands

Only

You never wanted to understand

Classic ways to live here

Compromise for me

Yeah, yeah

Yeah, yeah

I'm at both ends of the spectrum

You're somewhere in the between

I come clean

You'll fall around yourself

It's you and no one else

Hard for me to stay

Swing and moods have changed

Swing and moods have changed

Darkness to direct

unpredictable unpredictable you would see it only you had to take anything down on my hands only you never wanted to understand

so

you had to take anything out of my hands

only you hadn't taken things out of my hands only you never wanted to understand

only you hadn't taken things out of my hands

only you never wanted to understand

crucify

terrify

and sacrifice

my whole life

my whole life

my whole life

my whole life

my whole life

my whole life

my whole life

my whole life

my whole life

my whole life

i can't contain myself

i can't contain myself

i just can't take myself

the drum sounds

gorgeous

on this record

it's

it's like

we talked about this before when we did sepultura and soulfly

it's like some albums

some albums don't need

a gorgeous drum sound

i don't think

i'm trying to think

has metallica

ever had a good drum sound

i don't think

i don't think

i don't think

any of their record

yeah

the black album had a quite good one

reload had a quite good one

and load

they were quite good drum sounds

for me

but i like that sound

yeah

for me they sound very generic

yeah

yeah

very generic sounding

yeah

kind of

yeah

you know

i do like generic

american hard rock band

yeah

yeah

do you know that's it's that's what it sounds to me i think

maybe and justice

has got an interest interesting drum sound

yeah

st anger's got a horrific drum sound

yeah

um

biscuits in that snare isn't it

awful

and i like i love 80s thrash

yeah

that record sounds horrific

but you know

um

yeah

some bands have just never had a real like

what i would consider like a

like a

exquisite drum sound

yeah like

like um

Korn have got a really cool drum sound

um

sepultura

they've got a really cool drummer

they've got a rip

they've both got really good gojira

that drum sounds good

gojira's got a really good drum sound

and a good drummer

yeah you

but like some bands don't

and and i think

um

yeah for me

the anthrax drum sound

up to this point

was like

standard issue

all right american

yeah

the american thrash metal

yeah thrash metal drum sound

this album

yeah

doesn't

it's got this

no

like it's kind of

dry

but it's got a

it's got some ambience to it

yeah there's a bit of room on it

yeah

it's very well it's very compressed

isn't it she's yeah it's that as well

proper proper proper good drums i love it and only really it just absolutely whips that out in your face

yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah um uh touring they did massive tour again they did um all of their albums they seem to stretch the release cycle massively and they would be relentlessly uh uh uh you know absolutely relentlessly doing stuff um i looked here when i did the blog on setlist fm they played in cardiff on the 9th of november 1993 and they played almost the entire sound of white noise album wow which is weird

yeah so our bands even on the active tour will tend unless they're on the active tour will tend unless they're on like an anniversary tour like i saw um deaf leopard on the hysteria tour and they played the whole album and then they played the whole album and then they did some other stuff like it's part of the thing isn't it

with a band with a band on a new album tour you might get three or four tracks from it and then they'll play some from the album before some from the album before um but on this one they didn't leave the whole sound of white noise which is interesting um the band and the to the track only that was the big single um gets called out as being one of the most important singles in anthrax's history

anthrax's history it was one of the best performing and it's one that uh gets ranked uh highest so there are things like indians and you know caught in a marsh and there's a bunch of others from that that time period

um but interestingly only is one that massively leaps out even amongst the kind of fans of the the thrash yeah yeah they still they still like that um it was initially released on compact disc and cassette i was trying to find this on vinyl yeah didn't happen this was at that era where vinyl just wasn't being released like the goo goo dolls superstar car wash

he never got released on vinyl metal blade released like three copies of it in 2017 and now it's 500

bloody pounds and i can't afford that no so i treated myself to the compact disc it cost two quid you could well you could color it in couldn't you it just makes me very grumpy just makes me really really grumpy reissue it or something yeah dickheads yeah uh and that's the end of the facts that i've got there uh oh no

did i don't did i miss another i don't think i missed another fact did i no i'm good that's kind of

most good facts of the facts the thing is i don't want to do too many facts i think it's important we look in

your cd flap should we play a song yeah play a song yeah i like this next one yeah and then we shall uh

do have a look what is it what have a look have a look within the flaps what are you gonna play next i have to say your cd

the flap holder smells yeah it's got a smell it's got a smell it smells it just smells

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so we've just

had uh

a

a

conclave

what's that

so that's like a

secret meeting

like with witches

yeah but we did it

we did it live

on it

on recording

that you've

deleted

that I've now

deleted

so no one's

ever going to

know the contents

of what we

just did

I've forgotten

I've forgotten

it as well

so the crux

the crux of it

was that we

we did exactly

the plan that

we've been

building up for

for about a

month

which was

opening said

wallet of

dreams

we have

and finding

different cds

yeah

and then

and then

doing the

tattoo thing

and not agreeing

on anything

no just

changing your

mind

for about

10

about 10

minutes

it was

excellent

podcasting

I have to be

honest

so I

I've forgotten

already

what you

so where we

landed was

we both

chose one

yeah

and then we

both splintered

off on our own

little journeys

of discoveries

going oh we

could do that

we could do that

i have to be honest

i think people

that listen to

this show

will all

really really

empathize with

that but

you find an

album that

you've not

listened to

for ages

and then

immediately

your brain

goes oh

what about

this

what

i remember

this and

then and

then you

that's it

you've gone

down a rabbit

hole

i went down a

stone temple

pilot rabbit

hole

yeah

so i went

down a

incubacy

kind of

incubacy

silver chair

all the

tones

yeah

but we

actually landed

on white

pony

deftones

white

pony

yeah

so it's

good time

to probably

do it

i have

not

listened

to that

yet

so i

do you

know what

i'm gonna

i'm gonna

listen to

their new

album

it's supposed

to be

mega

it is

so good

it's nuts

i've even

seen

um

uh

like like

people that

would normally

be gushing

over like

1980s

heavy metal

yeah

you know

and nothing

released after

1995

is any good

absolutely

just raving

about it

yeah

yeah

so um

they're a band

that is um

like you

you rarely hear

people say

bad things

about deftones

no

no

you know what i mean

they're

i think when we

watched them once

at download

yeah

i think they had a bit

of a rough day

sound wise

it wasn't quite

they are a band

that i think

would

like yeah

there was

but i think we just

watched corn

oh god

or corn

were like

one side of them

and that's just like

live sound is

yeah

phenomenal isn't it

yeah

they they've

they've got like

some sound jedis

going on

but it's really

good their life

sound

i think um

but but then

paddy was talking

about the other

week so he went

to watch deftones

yeah

and said they

were like

they were

like unbelievable

really

like another

level

yeah

yeah

yeah

yeah

i think um

so not all

bands work in

like open air

festivals

you know

some bands

are

like i can't

imagine like

stephen wilson

or porcupine tree

working very well

like that

i can't imagine

tool working

very well in a

festival

in a cave

or a forest

yeah

yeah

tool in a

forest

well

stephen wilson

in a cave

see i can imagine

tool working well

in an arena

yeah

like you're in an

arena show i can

imagine tool being

epic in an arena

but i can't imagine

them being like

massively great at

like bloodstock

no

not that they

wouldn't

no i don't mean

like they wouldn't

be great but

do you know what

i mean i think

as an enjoyment

perspective i think

i'd rather see him

in like an

arena somewhere

where you know

where the sound

is i don't know

i kind of i kind

of feel i want

the sound

everywhere and

massive and you

know being i want

to be enveloped

by it

yeah yeah

and you don't

at a festival

do you it's

kind of like

no not really

there's lots of

other stuff going

on and bleeding

you're either at

the front and

you've got people's

piss being poured

on you or you're

so far back there's

an echo yeah

and you're like oh

i don't get this

but oh yeah

they're hitting it

and then you hear

it a bit later

and it's all

yeah my feet

hurt yeah i'm

imagining my feet

hurting already

yeah thinking about

festivals but i've

gone for a weird

laughter on your

own

oh god that's

just that's just

so true i've no

idea what's playing

there's a bit of an

echo you've gone for

a piss and my feet

hurt

we're just reliving

the festival

festival experience

old men festival

experience i could do

tours of it it'd be

great

oh dear oh good

god um uh but

yeah that's it we're

gonna do definitely

we've not done

deftones we've not

really talked about

deftones either i

think this might be a

bit of a springboard

yeah into that whole

kind of sphere of

stuff because there

was a bunch of stuff

that was kind of

happening around

deftones yeah yeah

um and they do have

like there's like a

certain set of people

that like deftones

yes agreed you

say yeah there

were there were

the people at the

time that were into

deftones and glass

jaw yeah two people

that they were sort

of the bands they

really liked yeah

yeah yeah that is

very true yeah

no i'm looking for

them be good uh so

well thank you for

listening it's been

awesome to have you

with us and um i

don't know what do

the uh the youtubers

say um sorry

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yeah yeah yeah that

was good wasn't it

yeah yeah it's not

like that mate

following that

following that yeah

that's that's it so

uh we'll see you next

time see you later bye

bye