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we are here here just been out in your car it's nice in it yeah i keep saying it's a new car it's

15 years old yeah it's new to me and i like it a lot yeah safe space safe space we have a long

conversation about that beautiful lovely lovely funny story collecting the car from a very

prestigious classic car um uh place which were lovely very very lovely people um had nice shoes

helped me did my handover with me and connected my car play to the car because they'd had it's a

classic car but they've retrofitted car play to me uh and it had this album did it on it and you know

the album begins yeah quite quietly yeah the man turned it louder yeah he kept going i said i'm not

sure this is working very well and then turned it up and then and then it couldn't look of sheer horror

on his face what i don't think i don't think he'd come across i don't think he was a big soulfly fan

but you're very very amusing very good so last week we did sepulshaw right um and we well you've made a

discovery about where that name comes from oh it's inspired by one of the interviews that we're going

to play later it is it's from uh motorhead song um and the thing that i liked about it uh was that it

was the um i'm good i'm looking i'm looking now i forgot oh i've i've lost it on my sheet it's gone

but it's a motorhead song and sepultura basically means grave yeah in portuguese they're digging your

grave or something yeah yeah that's it and and and um yeah they uh max basically learned english by

translating like black sabbath and motorhead lyrics uh and that's how we learned english you know he

loved the music couldn't speak the language so got a dictionary and then and then literally translated

the lyric sheets yeah yeah from you from english into portuguese the very early stuff it was all

completely ripped off from somebody else um you know bachelor devastation i think is destruction

and celtic frost put together you know from two other albums we just put two names together

and then uh you know necromancer was kind of like that um so yeah you know we speak port we don't speak

english so i was the one that speak a little more english than the other guys

and i was doing um translation from dictionary to portuguese to english and then making the song

so there's a lot of like bad mistakes on those records like like you know lyrics mistakes which i

think is great i really think that's really cool that we didn't change we didn't knew and we named songs

like uh the past reborn the storms which makes no sense in english you know later like monty be like

i think you guys should change the title of the song because you put all the words wrong you know

so he he tells how to so i think we fixed that one but everything else was just dictionary shit man

you know like just i learned english like that i i went to english school maybe twice in the school

and i learned just a little bit but my english came from dictionary and black sabbath albums translating

and everything i want to know what those guys were saying yeah so i spent hours and hours with the

dictionary in my you know in my room translating including the name sepulterum it comes from

motorhead uh dancing on your grave song yeah so so that was cool you know that was actually uh

educational i love that concept right that like you always talked about this when like the first

summer with the guitar of sitting in your bedroom learning yeah you don't know nothing else matters

yeah everything else in the world exists and it's like how many kids are doing that now and i wanted

to talk about that a little bit because i went down a rabbit hole of gen z bands this week and they're

dead good yeah they they showed a few bits they are it's like emo stuff yeah for everybody who's like um

there's no good music around like they've almost taken kind of like the late 90s and like early

noughties um like pop punk and yeah yeah i it's hard to kind of label it or genre it i suppose but

you've only got to look at someone like youngblood who's like an absolute mega star now yeah yeah you

know he's like right up there but doing rock and roll yeah this is all right it's all rock and roll and

that stuff you showed us the american stuff so there's like tx2 and lolololo i don't know whatever

her name is but but there's there's some great bands out there dead pony as well there's some really

really cool um uh band like like um you know uh uh gen z bands out there i think metal is never gonna die

because that's the spirit you know the spirit of uh but you can do something with three chords one guitar

and you know it's like the rock spirit actually you know and i always thought i don't know who said

that but i think like metal is the uh the bastard son of rock and yeah you know like the metal is like

the up rock and roll had a bunch of sons and then the most up one was metal and his brother was probably

punk but the spirit is always gonna survive i think but there'll be trends and it's gonna go more popular

less popular but i think that the bands and musician fans know that and and uh don't get

caught up you know really genuinely without doubt influenced by the 90s yeah like totally influenced

by like simple plan and you know kind of blink and that kind of stuff so and i liked that yeah i just

kind of and you've talked about this loads in the past but this kind of circular yeah yeah motion it's

almost every sort of 20 well for 30 years is like a cycle isn't it yeah yeah and it just sort of comes

around again evolves a bit yeah but it sort of comes around again so yeah very cool anyway i i and i think

well we've never we've not done this before in this in in in this round of of our show but i was

thinking like probably later in the year yeah like probably like um i don't know if we get down in

december we ought to do like a retrospective of 2025 yeah yeah yeah and just kind of have some cool stuff

that's yeah just some albums that have come out over the year because there's been a lot of um

you know i i guess kind of like like legacy bands releasing new music which is always really cool yeah

um but again some of the some of the new stuff some of the new stuff too we might that might that might

mean that we set ourselves a rule that we're going to break oh god yeah which is we said that

oh it's got to be 25 years old yeah i mean we've only we've said it a few times and it is a rule

yeah and it's true i have to be honest i really wanted to do i was going to say to you i really

wanted to do some blink 182 stuff and then as i was milling around in my kitchen i was just thinking

did they do are they is that going to be legal no i think it is yes yeah they did they did yeah

yeah they were good we could do that yeah but i do think um it's a great idea and then i think that

as a one-off special yeah i think we can just bend the rules for one once a year yeah we'll do like a

retrospective of stuff that's happened that year yeah and what we think about it our opinion and ai's not

not got an opinion yeah so and do you know what how i know ai's not got an opinion because rick

bloody rubin told me he i saw an interview with him this week and he went i don't care about ai i don't

care about computers because it's not got an opinion i want to hear your opinion i said i want to hear

songwriters opinions i want to hear musicians opinions about stuff i don't care whether i agree with them or

not but i want to hear them i want to hear the opinions he said um the problem with with uh using ai

in art and says i don't philosophically have a problem with it but he says eventually it will

all you know if you if you ask it to write you a country song eventually it's going to write you the

same country song yeah yeah as all of the ais get as good as each other they're all going to write the

same song i don't want that i want like barry from slough to write me a rap song about his do you

know what i mean yeah yeah about his school day and loud dog yeah yeah i that's what you want yeah you

don't i don't want i don't want i don't i don't know that we want people's opinion that's what music's

about isn't it it's about um expression of of feelings and ai's not got any feelings so i don't

care it's funny yeah i don't care about it oh um we're ruthology we're ruthology yes you're neil i'm

chris yeah ruthology.co is where our partner partner blog what do you call that i don't know it's the

blog the blog where the blog is where the blog is yeah uh and it's wicked you should look at the

blog for this the accompanying blog there we go accompanying the accompanying blog that's very

corporate isn't it yeah or the accompanying podcast of the blog which way around is it who knows

the blog comes first yes always this is the accompaniment because the blog the blog is where the

the facts and things come from how we learn about the we like have a brain fart about let's do an

album yeah and we don't typically know anything about that oh yes that's not true we do you do well

there are albums that there are albums that i absolutely adore like absolutely like like would

gush over and love and know every lyric to them and i don't know who played on it and i don't know where it

was recorded and i don't know what was involved in it i just know i really love that yeah record

um so it's an opportunity i think even even when it's an album that you're absolutely like is a core

part of your of your being to go behind the scenes yeah just to understand it a bit about what was

happening and it is i think it's quite good fun to kind of have a think about what else was happening at

the same time and you know i don't know i i that's what the show does for me yeah it's it's a chance

to go back and re-listen to stuff like this record so we're doing soulfly and we're doing the the debut

um because we did beneath the remains by sepultura last week yeah and i had an idea which is let's do uh

arise yeah yeah yeah it's kind of the same sort of thing so let's go let's do the idea is good yeah let's

choose a little bit later in the story yeah i like that i don't i think i think that nails it's the

story isn't it here um but i i i remember this album coming out i remember like it was this was an

exciting like late 90s was an exciting time yeah for music i think because you got um it reminded me

she reminds me hugely of grunge you know like earlier in the 90s you kind of had hair metal and classic rock

and and then grunge came along and that a lot of the the hair metal crowd absolutely hated grunge and

blamed grunge for yes the downfall of of you know of everything yeah of all of the hair metal bands um

and then and then but then you you've got this kind of similar thing where you kind of had kind of

that uh pacific northwest like like old rock stuff that kind of developed and then here in the late 90s

you've got corn and you've got a little biscuit and you've got linkin park and you've got slipknot and

you've got you know or like deftones you've got all of these like bonkers but it was it was the amalgamation

of hip-hop and metal it was but it wasn't just that that you know it was something new yeah yeah it was it

was like i mean like soulfly would we're doing like yeah the tribal stuff in there as well but then you

had like like punk and metal be emerging like how kind of that that hardcore spin-off and what you ended

up with um but there's a bit even a bit of this soulfly record where you listen again oh god they've

borrowed a corn bit yeah like something of the way the corn would do that yeah the way they groove the way

corn will groove this is this is a melting pot it is people this is like a new a new scene where everyone's

sharing little ideas not not like sitting in a room going oh i do but like hearing it like the

beatles and the stones thing or sorry the beatles and the um beach boys thing yeah like your pet sounds

and then you've got a sergeant peppers yeah of course you've got that sort of transatlantic communication

where they're kind of like oh i really like that we should do something like that yeah and it's

influential it's it's it's like um you i don't i can't i don't know i don't know where this is you'll

know more about this than than i do right being being a superstar musician but the way i the way i

envisage this is that you're you know you're you're on a train somewhere or you're out in a bar somewhere

and you hear a track that you really like and you and and it's not a case of we should do something

like that it's more a case of i really like that and then and then so the next time you're in the

studio you're you're kind of like you know i want that feeling that yeah yeah yeah i'm gonna let's find

some of that yeah yeah and i'm convinced that's kind of where a lot of it comes from but like this this

album particularly uh yeah it it feels like i don't know how true this is but it feels like

this isn't a max cavallera album it's like he curates it it's kind of sitting there and he's

got like all of his mates and all of these people taking part on this record because it's so disjointed

this album yeah yeah it's like and this it's like a super group so i like yeah jumping in and playing

you have no idea what's coming next in like not not just not just song to song in the song yeah

you're quite regularly taken aback and it's like whoa where did that come from and where did that come

from and that's like reminds me like a deftones record and you're kind of never quite sure where

it's gonna you know after you've heard it once you know i mean you're you're anticipating those

changes in in direction and i think that's kind of what makes this part of the appeal um but you can

hear that the sort of deftones corn salt soulfly thing is you know they they do they've they've

really like there's ambient moments in it you know and you hear these bits where it goes it goes into

kind of like but there's one track that i put on um and it was almost like it was like it was like the

prodigy it just sounded like the beat the beat was like that that kind of like aim and breaks

kind of um kind of thing i'm just gonna look for what this what the song was i mean it's this well

just just look oh first commandment yeah oh yeah yeah that's yeah so that's deftones that's chino

marino from definitely so um be a factory uh dino cazares uh um uh burton seabelle on eye for an eye

fred durst and dj lethal i always think dj lethal never gets enough credit it's really cool it's really

really really cool yeah uh on bleed uh dj lethal's also on quilombo i'm gonna i'm gonna make a mess of

some of these though but uh chino marino on uh first commandment benji webb from skindred on um

uh quilombo and prejudice uh eric bobo cypress hill um you can definitely hear that that that's what i

mean by the hip-hop thing yeah you know like that cypress hill kind of vibe you know it's got that

definitely got that on a few tracks and then uh christian old uh world was on uh a place double

base on no um but but it's like i imagine this this thing right where you you i mean the so so

sepulture sepal sure didn't end so max max's wife was the manager i think she was the manager the band

fired her and then max you know put max in a really difficult position yeah so he just left he was

like i'm not happy with it i think he's in a rough place as well because um his stepson um died so he's

not in a great position um desperately wants you doesn't have this outlet anymore for that grief and you know

anger and whatever else is happening roadrunner uh are desperately looking for heavy but yeah there's a

ton of like really really cool um heavy bands that are spinning up there's a massive scene developing so

that you know they're really interested in what he's going to do and then and then ultimately he's kind

of going i'm just going to get like a bunch of like random people in and do a thing and igor jumped as

well right i don't think he did at this i don't think he did at this point i think he played like

way later that or was it the cavallera conspiracy i might get this wrong i think it's cavallera

conspiracy i'm not sure whether he played with soul flight yeah yeah so so it was basically max and

friends yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly and um it's interesting listening to the interviews of of max is

very much like you know i've done sepultura sepultura is a done thing and i didn't want

sepultura 2.0 so this was a new thing this was a uh you know this was a separate thing but and you can

almost see the you can feel the music tree branch yeah here yeah yeah yeah that's a nice place where

it's kind of like sepultura went off and did their thing yeah um like a fork in the road almost yeah and

then soul fly kind of did this this different thing can i just say soul fly is an incredible

band name i yeah yeah oh my god if you if you had that on your list and it wasn't taken you'd be

like oh absolutely nailed it it is it's a great band name it's the do you know the thing about it is

it's not corny no even now no it's not um we did the interviews with uh with dave grohl and the

the foo fighters and i i love the fact that dave is like it's the most stupid name ever

i don't know what i was doing you know this was never meant to be a this was never meant to be a

big band your people weren't supposed to have this on t-shirts yeah but then eventually you kind of get

to this point where oh we can't change it now so you're stuck with it um and you know he regrets

the name of the foo fighters um by i have a funny feeling that max doesn't really know he's like this

is like yeah god they nailed it yeah this is the wild hearts yeah what a great band name there are

there are band names that are just epic and they're you know they're up there aren't they yeah but but

soulfly and then the album cover as well and there were two album co i didn't know until i did the the

blog but there were two album covers yeah there was one with with max on it is that right like but sort of

of silhouetted yeah it's kind of like the kind of thing yeah i'm for the tape i'm showing christopher

a picture of the album covers from our blog from our blog so actually if you want to know what neil is

showing me you just have to go to the blog yeah go to the blog and have a have a have a peek at that

um but it's interesting do you know what's interesting um i uh as i was doing the blog i found lots of

references to to different artwork and i'd only ever seen like the one with like with with max holding his

arms out like the kind of the almost and the logo is good oh yeah that name's good yeah it is it is

really really good you're right um and i found in because i don't think i don't think i ever had this

on cd um i think i i might have had this on mp3 you know and this would have been the time i would add usb

sticks yeah yeah in cars you did naughty line wire well it's either that or you just borrowed it off

you make you know what i mean you'd have been like this would have been it's naughty it is this would

have been the time where you bought your usb stick in and speaking of naughty yeah oh uh for the tape

chris's i brought chris's cd tray in his smell smell it does it smell well it smells of old car this

is chris's car cd um i'm going to take some photographs of this to go out on our socials

but it's full is that sound though

but it's there must be 200 cds in there oh mate it's so heavy it is heavy my kids picked it up

my barney picked it up yeah and like barney knows what vinyl is and he knows what cds because i've got

and he's like what's in there that's got cds i think he thought it was a one big cd do you know

what i mean um but i have to say my kids have been brilliant this summer holiday they've alphabetized

yeah my vinyl and cd collection oh that's good isn't it isn't that amazing yeah and it's been

it's been it's been great i've really i've really enjoyed uh listening to leo try to pronounce band names

and you know like it's rage against the machine what's that what is that like is that the band

name as well is that the album name oh god what's wrong with your education but anyway the thing i

wanted to show you is um so this album so this particular album soulfly album uh i found the inner

sleeve artwork yes it's got something it's about his stepson yeah so in in there and it uh it's it uh

there's like dedications in there to like family and stuff and dana who died and then at the bottom

it says bleed and first commandment are dedicated to the people involved in the murder of dana wells

and the cover-up of his death you know who you are judgment is coming incredible um and then even the cd

art itself it says in loving memory of dana yeah yeah on on the on the the cd artwork itself um and i

think i don't know it's easy to to not i guess to to not give the importance that it deserved but i

mean max was quite clearly grieving pretty hard yeah yeah at this point and this was that cathartic

you can hear i can hear it for me you can hear it in the song you can hear the music and it's almost

like those people that are around him are sort of his you could sort of almost sense that they're like

his brothers are supporting him through the grief of not only losing a band yeah losing family you

know losing you know and that sort of thing and because i don't care what anybody says you know when

you when you are connected to people in such a way that you're in a band you know that if you are if you

are ever not in that band anymore for whatever reason there is a process of grief that you go through

as a result of that because to me music is more than it's not job is a lifestyle you know metal is

something that i breathe 24 hours a day i love it and part of me i'm still the same kid brazilian kid

that love heavy metal you know still with me i don't let that go and i refuse to grow up and put a tie cut

my hair and and go to work like the other zombies you know i don't want to do that so part of me is

still you know a kid in my own way and when stuff got heavy i had music and my lyrics is how i dealt with

tragedy life uh when i'm feeling down music is always there you know it's the one constant thing

i had it with me that's it's always there you can come on it like a best friend you know when i

quit sepultura i didn't have that anymore that was the hardest time i think that was the sickest

the hardest six months of my life was before soulfly started because i didn't have anything

so it was a dark void because it was at the same time uh my stepson and he was very close like a friend

we trade music ideas all the time right after he he died it was the separator of things so it was like

together in a row so it was a very hard moment but i believe that something good came out of that you

know which is soulfly which is you know uh something positive came out of all that negative you know

and you gotta i found that in life that's what you gotta do is is you know fight the negative to find

something positive out of it you know even even tragedy you gotta make it sometimes it's hard but

you gotta make it uh something good out of even a tragic situation something good can come out of it

and i think that's why soulfly touches a lot of people out there a lot of fans they have stuff similar

trenched stuff happens to them can relate to the music and the lyrics of of soulfly and they come to

me and they express gratitude for what i do and i understand what what they go through because it's

exactly what i've been through creating soulfly was was created other tragedy you know so i understand what

it is and i think that's very important about soulfly that was created in such way turning something

negative into something good positive and powerful and that's something that music only music can do

you know nothing else can do that music zone you know that that can do that for me if i didn't have

music to translate those feelings it would be very difficult to maintain my life you know you're and

eventually my head probably would explode you know to send those feelings and not have a place to release

them so so far is the perfect place you go through grief over all kinds of all kinds of things i think

but um but yeah you're you're right and i think you're in some of the interviews he talks about needing

that outlet and that's what that's what this became um it's interesting that this album the way this

uh album begins and and you know certainly the first couple of tracks massively remind me of slipknot's debut

yeah yeah um and in guitar tone yeah and and in um i don't know like in in in like the rage that that's

that's hooked up in here you can totally hear i mean i don't know what the timeline is like i think it's

slipknot stuff yeah it's a little bit yeah so there was definitely some some sort of parallels going on

between yeah which aura and soulfly sound and the slipknot sound they're very tribal very percussive

very really everything's about the rhythm it is everything in this this album's about the rhythm

i did you know one of the things that i think is really interesting here as well is the the drum sound

on this album um it feels like the production on this record is it feels like a master class to me in

in in like how do you want this isn't it yeah yeah but how to record like a really heavy like kind of

violent angry record but it sound clean but yeah to have the the texture to the drums where it's it's

i mean it would be so easy to uh to have this done to click yeah yeah or and there's a lovely there's a

lovely um part i read for this where they kind of um apparently it was they started to to do stuff to

click and it just didn't work it wasn't there it wasn't working at all so all of the drums are done

to feel they're all done by feeling all of the fills and everything are all done by feel yeah um and like

at this point in time that would have been a real like i reckon all of their contemporary records would

have been done like hard to click grid and you know what i mean and then and then kind of perfectly

um pitched to to match the grid um but this wasn't and it's it's i don't know this unless slipknot wasn't

either as well and you know i i just have this connection i think where there's an authenticity

to it and i like records like that that kind of the timing's not like perfect yeah it's not computer it's

not computer it jumps around it just and there's sometimes in some songs it's quite extreme yeah

you know like there's a there's noticeably a bpm difference in different sections and it's got a

feel it's got such like a um uh yeah it's got such a feel to it and the drums was um

roy may organ to see is it yeah yeah yeah i i think we're going to see a resurgence of this

yeah it's kind of like dropping the click off dropping the get rid of the auto tune let's not have that

let's let's do some raw stuff you know i think you're right i think um because it's it's something

that i think ai is not going to be able to do i mean think in five years time ai is going to be super

mega and be able to do you know i i saw somebody um there's a youtuber that i watch who uh used ai to create

uh music for his youtube video like rock music when it sounds incredibly believable

very generic do you know what i mean but but quite a believable

like band yeah like yeah like if you'd have told me that you know four session musicians went into a

studio and recorded i'd totally yeah believe that um not particularly i would describe it as quite throw

away it's you know i mean it's wallpaper music yeah it didn't have um like lift music it didn't

have a particular engagement to it and and i think you're right i think there will be this this move

to to um like kind of analog authenticity re-humanize music yeah it'll be a big re-humanizing and and

i think and i i really want to see this like this kind of switch to people going back out to live music

again because you know okay the music might have been recorded to click and it might have been you

know uh like quantized to the nth degree to make it perfectly aligned to the grid and all of the the

all of the things um for radio play and all of that stuff um but the you know the the experience of going to

see the live version of that you know that i think that will be uh what people crave can i have a bit of

an old man moment yeah do it because people do it people do things in their ears to click

live now yeah no no no no i'm not no i'm not having that i don't like it i don't i don't think

it's very good get out of my ears i think i think you need to stop doing that listen to the monitors

yeah oh just play play music just play don't do it you know but the but the the shows are

so structured to click yeah in some instances yeah because they're playing to backing tracks basically

so there are some instruments on stage and some that are to track yeah of course it'll be the click

of those tracks that comes in yeah and like in some instances it goes so far as that the entire

show is to click oh so like talk to the crowd yes don't talk to the crowd you know what i mean yeah

high five the drummer yeah yeah yeah all that like full-on show instructions yeah i can't i don't like it

no i don't think i would like that very much either you need something you know we lost aussie

the last few weeks and i think this is something that aussie was incredible at just being able to

engage with a crowd of people and you know and and and like a showman and you know freddie mercury

was was phenomenal at that as well um yeah i did whipping a crowd into a frenzy

yeah just being a bit unique just just doing things that are a bit unique a bit a bit funny i tell you who

are brilliant i tell you i tell you who are brilliant at this and that's steel panther yeah yeah

they're really funny and they do a lot of the same gags every night but there's there is just

something like they're bouncing off each other it's endearing isn't it it's so endearing it is it's

just it's just fun i think it's got a horde of women dancing at the end on the stage oh yeah yeah yeah

yeah yeah yeah it's it's just yeah they just abuse each other as well there's just something really

funny about it but yeah i think i think that there will be this return to i really hope there is and i

hope that it's not too late because i you know you read about venues like rock city yeah really

struggling struggling for um you know if it wasn't for the fact that it's a university town

and i think they saw the writing on the wall so they do their student nights like on a thursday

friday saturday and i remember shooting gigs at rock city on like a thursday night yeah and curfew

being at 10 yeah yeah yeah and they turn the place around like you literally like you you you be there

you're shooting doing your stuff um you know and then and like you know the the but the last bar of

the last song finishes yeah yeah and like before the reverbs finished lights are on you know i mean

somebody's out sweeping on the on the stage you're being grabbed by the back of your neck like going out

you know what i mean and then and as you're kind of being turfed out onto onto the pavement yeah

there's a uh you know spotty teenagers queuing to get in for for like what would be a club night

um i think that's how they make the money you're turning the venue around so um i don't know i i just

have this maybe it's naive hope yeah yeah yeah but i kind of and and i'm a bit buoyed by what's what

gen z are doing and these these kind of because they're rock bands yeah yeah yeah but it's poppy

yeah yeah yeah and there's like you know that but and and um i don't know it's like taylor's it's like

taylor swift crossed with acdc yeah that's kind of how it feels a little bit you were perhaps with a bit

of simple plan in there or blink or whatever you know but it's kind of quite um um it's kind of music

that's going to work really well live i think where you know where it's kind of anthemic and

it's yeah it's quite so i reckon gen z are going to be you don't drink do they gen say i don't drink

either but gen z don't drink but they'll i think they're going to be you know having a diet coke i

don't know if they have diet coke but they're going to be doing that at rock city yeah having a good laugh

yeah yeah yeah yeah and i think that is i don't know i hope that that keeps the venues going

go

so

whoever told you you'll never be free whoever told you you're sick or don't drink whoever told

you you'll never be free whoever told you that's your enemy you see

my life is mine my right is mine

sometimes you have to lose your mind

fuck it no hope no fear

i don't think you'll never be free

i can't wait for the next life

the time is now the time is right

follow my heart i'll get through

if you're not now you never were

so lose yourself to find yourself

don't need to act like nobody else

sometimes it fuses through all this blood

i find a way i'll move the drum

i find a way i can't wait for the next life

i find a way i can't wait for the next life

i find a way i can't wait for the next life

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and we still wear them and everybody like make fun of us

we didn't care it's all good

you know we love we love the bands

and we went to i went to sao paulo

and then i went walking to woodstock

the guy you know he knew me

volsir and was like hey max come here

we got this stuff just came in

and it was like i remember man

it was voivode war and pain

slayer show no mercy

uh

venom black metal

i fucking looking at these album covers

going wow what the

what the fuck is this man you know

i like it already i haven't even heard anything

i'm already like hooked

and he's like yeah well wait

then he like put the vinyl play like

evil has no mercy or

and i'm just like freaking out inside my head

i can't wait to go home

with this album and play to my friends because

they're gonna shit their pants you know

i knew i knew it was good i knew it was insane

i knew it was insane and it was

extreme and we haven't heard that before

nobody has heard that

so i you know i went back to to bello

and yeah i played those

and i remember uh the slayer one

was halting the chapel the ep

uh

we played and we thought for sure

the turntable was broke

we found out that that wasn't the turntable

it was slayer and that's how they play

so that was great and it was

funny because i

we also discovered punk at the same time you know

discharge hellhammer

slayer together you know

so there was no division in my head between

punk and metal you know i like both

but you know we learned later that those

things don't really combine and you know

the punks don't like metal the other way

around you know but for us we like

both a lot

yeah i love

the song tribe

yeah you were gushing about that this afternoon

i i i'm with you as well

i think um do you know

what i like about tribe i like what it stands

for so i like the idea of

a tribe yeah i like

that idea of being part of a tribe belonging

yeah yeah yeah yeah and and

but then the song itself

is great and

yeah i i

yeah there's just something really really cool about that

i think it it yeah

so it features and the

few of the instrumentation across the album

features kind

of um i would say

sort of like traditional brazilian instruments

yeah um and one of them

that's used on tribe is the

berimbau the berimbau and the

berimbau is uh um

it's using capoeira

so you know the capoeira dancing if you see

yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so

that's a very there's you

normally have a capoeira sorry

in a capoeira kind of event

yeah you'd have somebody doing

berimbau yeah and then somebody

with kind of a hand drum

ah

and that would almost like accompany the

what's going on you know so it kind of

becomes a dance but everyone's

playing off each other right so

it's not like anything that's choreographed

so it's kind of everyone's feeling

like the dance out so it's kind of a

cross between a martial arts and a dance

you've seen it if you if you yeah

capoeira you'll you'll know what i'm

talking about and it's almost like

two people doing kind of

martial arts move but it's almost a

dance it's almost right right right

um and they um and they don't

really connect they always dance

around each other it's a really

interesting thing and the idea

behind the performance of the berimbau

is that you're kind of feeling the

moment wow and as you're you know

doing the or your performance you're

kind of shaping the kind of a very

organic yeah yeah and the reason i

wanted to say that is because i can

hear it in the records yeah yeah and

the way that the max and the rest of

and even back in the sepultura times

yeah you could sort of see that there

was a lot of this thing which was

around sensing sensing the reality

around them and then reacting to that

with music like i can tell i can

totally hear that across this record

and across everything that they've

done before and since

before and since

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It's not sterile, is it?

No, no.

It's got this really organic flow to it.

And you're right.

There's something that massively appealed to me.

We did Beneath the Remains last week.

Something that massively appealed to me on that record.

And a lot of the records around that time was that, especially going back to them now,

this kind of organic, authentic, you know, like nature to the record.

It's very analog, not in the recording analog way, but you get the feeling that it wasn't particularly processed.

It's not, you know, it's not, it's not being squished or shaped too much to fit in a particular box.

And even anything that is digital sounds analog because of the effects that are put on it.

Yeah.

But I think it's like, it feels to me like it breathes.

It's like, it feels like it's alive and it kind of breathes and it kind of, you know what I mean?

It kind of goes faster a bit and it goes slower a bit.

And it's got this, this ebb and flow to it.

And I think, yeah, it's the same through all, in fact, this whole record.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All of the bits where, you know, where it kind of calms down and the percussion comes to the fore.

That's the bit where it kind of feels, it's, he's got this, feels the right word.

It's got a feel to it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I just, I don't know that it's something that I don't think many bands, Gojira, I think,

have got this, they make me, give me the same kind of feel to it.

The way the percussion, it's like, it gets in you.

It's like, it feels like, yeah, I don't know.

It's hard to describe.

It feels like you're connecting, you're like, you're almost phasing in with the music.

There's something very shamanic about it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

There's almost like an act of shamanism through music.

And I don't mean that in a woo-woo sense.

I actually mean it in terms of like the way that you interact as human beings with the nature of the sound.

And that thing you were talking about earlier with, you know, your Freddie Mercury's The World and your Ozzy's.

It's effectively shamanism.

It's weaving reality and weaving, you know, the environment to provoke a human reaction from somebody or a human emotion or a human.

thing.

And I think that's what they've done here with that feel, with that thing.

Like Gojira, like, you know, caught them at Bloodstock momentarily and, you know, stood watching them for a bit.

And, you know, when they played Stranded, mate, honestly, honestly, like they did it quite early on.

Yeah.

And there was a bit where you felt everyone around you just lift the atmosphere, lift it.

That's what I mean by the shamanism.

You kind of can't feel the thing.

There are, yeah, I get where you're going with it as well.

So, like, there are bad, like, not everyone likes the same music.

No.

But there's something about the percussion bits on these kinds of records where I just think you almost can't help but be, like, pulled along with it.

It feels like it's, I don't know, it just, it kind of feels like it's shaping the fabric around you almost, you know, especially if you've got, like, I had this record on today.

And I think on Bleed is a good one where I think that's, like, Fred Durst and DJ Lethal, but there's some lovely bits of percussion on there.

And it's, it kind of pulls you in.

It's like, but it's the percussion that grabs you.

It's like, oh, that's, you know what I mean?

That's kind of, it's like at a soul level, it kind of touches you.

And it's like, but it's not a riff.

It's not, it's not a melody.

It's not a riff.

It's, it's kind of more like, like, because part of your soul is kind of, you know what I mean?

It's, it's, there's something particularly unique and, and, you know, tribal, you know, the tribal drums and yeah.

It's bigger than you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

There's just something particularly, and, and like, for me, like, Sepultura were where I first felt that, you know, like, you know, they, obviously there are lots of the heavy bands around at the time were using, like, really cool percussion.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But not in the same way that they, that Sepultura, especially around, like, Chaos AD, I think, started and then Roots.

Yeah.

And then this record was where it kind of, it felt like.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was like the next level of that.

It was just, it was much more, like, percussion.

Yeah.

And, and, yeah, it's, it's a funny one, but the production, like, Ross Robinson did the production.

And I think it would have been so easy to crush this with something that was over compressed.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Or, yeah, I don't know.

I just get the feeling that this was, this was like a labor of love, the production on this.

It was, and this was not something that was an easy.

No.

And there's similar, I mean, he did Roots as well, Ross Robinson.

And I, I, I do, I do wonder if, if, if they'd have gone with another producer, whether this

would have been quite as good as it is, you know, because I think he would have kind of

honed, honed his art a little bit and figured out how to make those, you know, the, not just

the percussion, but the other instruments.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Work.

And then, and then when he did this record and Max is like, you know, I want a xylophone on

it, you know, I'm going to have a, this on it, I'm going to have a, you know, I'm going

to have like layered tambourines.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But, you know, I can imagine Ross Ginny, all right, you know, I'll figure that out.

And I, but I don't, I don't imagine there were many producers that could have ended up with

such a heavy sounding record and kept the detail to it and the, and the, the texture and the

timbre and all, yeah, it's, it's, it's a masterclass in production, I think.

It still stands up as well.

There's a lot of records around this time that don't, for me, stand up particularly.

The, you know, some of the Limp Bizkit stuff doesn't sound.

Yeah, yeah, it's obvious time you can hear it in the sound.

Yeah, I mean, it sounds very 90s in there, but it's, it's an album that, um, uh, it works

because of the songs, not necessarily, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, those songs work well.

Yeah, yeah.

Um, but, but yeah, this one for me is, is, uh, I mean, it's kind of like brain expanding

this record.

There's, there's like quiet passages, rage in there, bits of like beautiful melody in there

as well.

But he goes, I think it goes harder than Sepultura went as well.

Like there's one, like there's one, like there's one which is like absolute, like blast beat

monster.

Yeah.

The song.

The song remains insane.

Yeah, that's it.

That one's absolutely.

It's interesting for me.

That one's verging on hardcore.

It sounds more like punk too.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's kind of properly, um, but yeah, it sounds, uh, yeah.

It's kind of hard to describe, isn't it?

But that one's got more of a hardcore vibe.

It's so aggressive that.

It has.

It's, it sounds really nasty.

And in fact, there are bits on this record that really remind me of, um, of, of where Slipknot

kind of picked up and went and, but not the whole record.

No.

Yeah.

There's like bits.

Snippets, little moments.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, just the way it kicks in though.

I love, I love, um, Eye for an Eye, which is one of the singles.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Um, and yeah, there's just something about it.

It's savage.

Absolutely savage.

Um, you know, Bleed as well, which is, which is, uh, yeah, super, super cool.

And one of my favorite tracks, I think, is, uh, I'm going to pronounce it wrong, but, um,

Barbaruma.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I love that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That, I think, reminds me.

It's proper gang vocals and stuff on that one.

It's brilliant.

It's got this groove.

Yeah.

To it.

Yeah.

Which kind of feels like, um, almost where Coal Chamber went.

Yeah, totally.

And a bunch of other kind of groove.

I forgot about Coal Chamber.

I've proven that all.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kind of ended up going.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Um.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

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we talked last week about beneath the remains and for me it was kind of this

branch almost in the in the in the music tree where you know that album

and then and then it kind of splintered and other stuff came came out behind it this one is like

it's not just a branch is it feels like this record then just like eight different genres

came out of the back of this seed yeah seed in the trees that grew a new tree you can yeah you

can kind of imagine that the the people listen to this and they were just like oh uh yeah we can do

that and then you know then slipknot well oh yeah we can do and then you know i mean yeah it almost

gave people permission yeah like you can you can do this guys you can it's like you described

wasn't it it was like you know you listen to it you like something you're like oh you know oh yeah

i really like that yeah yeah that's kind of i've heard this thing today can we like do something

like that there was that um there's that lovely interview we did with skin um from skunk and nancy

and she describes listening to how lots of music happening she was uh from uh west indies initially

and she's part of that culture um the rage thing yeah yeah and she describes hearing rage against the

machine and and going that's my sound yeah that's it that that is me that that whole like politics and

the tone and everything they've got that really is that's that's what i need to get out yeah and then

going and getting that out of her system you know and it's not it's interesting i think lots of people

talk about copying and stuff but um i don't think it is i think it's it's kind of finding your place

isn't it and that you know having that and you've talked about this before as well with you have a song

in you and it it doesn't feel like you write the song it's like the song comes out of you um

and but finding that tone and like you say hearing that and almost like the the permission almost but

it's like yeah you know it's the that thing of kind of going oh that's what that thing inside me needs

to be and yeah and then often going and and creating also and i love the way that david lynch talks about

this and they're all out there they're all out there you just grab them and they come through you

yeah and there's this idea of um it's really worth checking out his his book which is called um

catching the big fish yeah uh it's incredible because it's all it's all about inspiration it's all

about meditation it's all about yeah yeah you know it's very in tune with a whole rick rubin

yeah kind of thought around creativity yeah and um this this thing about um like songs paddy and i talk about

there's a lot how the song it just exists out there somewhere and you're the channel for it yeah

you've got it yeah yeah so so it's not even like it's buried somewhere yeah it's like you're just a

conduit yeah you got it yeah yeah yeah i do i i love um i was listening to well it's been hard to avoid

interviews uh from noel gallagher because oasis have been out there doing their things um i've really

enjoyed having oasis back in the world if i'm honest just having liam being liam the world feels right

do you know what i mean it's just it's like balance the force is starting to be balanced by having liam

being absolute dickhead just screaming at people being you know do you know i mean just doing the thing

being a rock star it's an absolute live wire rock star and i i i really like that they're back

um it's a lovely bit where they you know their song little by little um and the the fans take

the plastic bags from the supermarket lidl yeah and when they sing that song little but they all hold

they all hold the plastic bags up so i love that that annoys liam apparently so that i like that and

then and then the supermarket lidl yeah uh on their online store yeah do a parker there were liam

gallagher parker really with the little by little logo on it oh wow and i i yeah i absolutely love that

but anyway back to the point with uh noel gallagher talking about um yeah we did so we earlier in the

year we did definitely maybe and what's the story um and it's interesting he he is taught he he talks

about those all of those songs being written at the same time yeah so they're all of a time um and he

said i i would just like shit those things out he said i would wake up in the morning and uh i i would

pick a guitar up and a song and it would a thing would fall out of me um and it was just like i said

effortless is the wrong word he said but it it didn't feel like it was controlled it wasn't

he said this this stuff just happened like day after day and the second you try and force it yeah

yeah yeah second you try and write wonder world you are not right well this is what happened so so he

said at that point he said you have you have to bear in mind we were not a big band we were not we

hadn't blown up uh i i these songs were all written like pre definitely maybe yeah definitely maybe is

definitely maybe because they were the songs we were playing live they that was that was they were just

the ones we'd learned and we'd done but i'd written loads more and you know every like um every few

weeks we would we would talk about adding something new to the set um but before we could do that

definitely maybe blew up yeah and then we that's that's basically it so we didn't get time to play

any of the others live and then that's what we come watch the story morning glory um but he said that

that like he said i i i would go and do two of those songs in a day um you know and and he said

you when you go back and revisit these places where the songs are written they're all you know they're

like absolute dives you know there's mold on the walls it's it's really manky and he said i don't

remember any of that no i you know it was just this and it it felt like um you know this stuff was just

like like effortlessly appearing from from nowhere um and then it was and then it like by by the time

those two albums were big and you tried to then repeat them yeah that's when it got really hard so he

said it was the the hardest thing ever to go and to do that you went from nebworth we should have

really cut ourselves some slack and gone and had a break yeah but then we didn't try to do yeah we

then went back and started to try and write you know more wonderwalls yeah you know more rock and

roll stars and and he said the point where they're using for example in do you know what i mean it's

the same chord sequence yeah yeah and he was like i i you know all of a sudden you needed to to do that

and um yeah i do you know it's interesting with with going back to this record with soulfly i wonder if

that is why max chose to bring so many people in because he was so um determined not to be sepultura

yeah yeah yeah you know a b a b band like a cover sepultura band um oh it needed it needed that fresh

energy by bringing yeah uh you know a bunch of different people and influences in it kind of

you turned into this you're birthing something new yeah almost forced it to be different because

there's too many too many influences for it not to be something new um but yeah it does stand on

it so i mean even though even the albums even the records that followed yeah um i don't know that

this one still feels like it's got it's got like a unique yeah tone to it yeah yeah yeah they definitely

captured something yeah yeah i think he needed to say something that was the big that's the big thing

you hear from it is that uh right right here right now at that time max cavallera had something that

he needed to get out yeah so and there's a there's a there's a um there's a thing i want to i want to

tell you that i read and i put in the blog because i liked it um uh um i'm going to read this

verbatim yeah so it says on on quilombo benji webb's vocal phrasing and dj lethal's turntablism

turntablism and i just thought that was the best thing ever so i had to i had to do that i had to go

and go and do that the ai when it revised the writing didn't like that but i overruled it

turntablism i'm not sure is that is that a verb no that's a word that's definitely a word

turntablism yeah yeah 100 yeah i've heard that before turntabling that would be the verb wouldn't

it yeah no turntablism is you know that's an identity that is that's uh yeah yeah doesn't get

enough love dj lethal no and i like do you know what i like particularly i like we've got to cover

some limb biscuit i like where limb biscuit are today yes and i yeah what they've become yeah

yeah they like fred durst has become like a caricature of himself yeah yeah as an like an old

man back in the day and i i there's just something like weird you know when they came back on the scene

everyone's like whoa oh it's just it's just slim biscuit and it's like it's yeah i don't know they

they've yeah embrace the character yeah yeah it is it's like a case he's like a character he's like a

character isn't he very very good shall we do some facts oh yeah i've got i did a um so you'll know

from the from the podcast that we do that towards the end of the podcast that we do like a fact

section but this now appears on the blog yeah it does uh yeah it does and the reason is because last

week uh i forgot to do a fact section and it was very difficult to do facts because i didn't have a

section so shall i do the fact i'm going to read the fact section so uh released 21st of april 1998

worldwide um it was released uh on 24th of february in japan so roadrunner um uh released it in japan

um the japanese version also had a bonus track on it uh i want to go with karimba was it um right okay

that was the uh like an anniversary version yeah with a million tracks on that which um but again

you can still listen to the original one so well done whichever record company owned that by not

getting rid of the original um it was uh produced uh it was they were they were on roadrunner roadrunner

had like all of these kind of new metal-y uh bands they had that the roster must have been

like phenomenal um recorded at uh well recorded 1997 uh over 1997 1998 indigo ranch in malibu uh

produced by ross robinson now he also did uh the sepultura record malibu does it you don't say

malibu you don't think of this record that's very true um anyway ross robinson did a sepulture and

it was mixed by andy wallace who also did nirvana and rage and it was mastered by george marino who

did metallica and acdc um the thing that um hits me with this album is the tonal similarity to slipknot

there's something in in the drum sound and the guitar sound it was recorded in exactly the same

studio by the same producer and the same uh is that true yeah so their their their debut was

done in the same place by uh your man ross robinson oh god i didn't know that right that makes so much

sense now yeah i have a there's so much like not you know not that they're similar albums no no no but

there's there's a lot of like capture isn't it yeah there's a lot of kind of tonal similarity here

where these albums i i i feel this they give me a similar feeling inside that that that uh

slipknot debut uh on this one um the core band was max cavallera um who played the birimbau he played

that yeah right um he played the sitar as well yeah um he don't look about does he max cavallera

i'll play it uh jackson uh bandiera uh marcelo diaz played the bass and roy mayorga was uh the drums

um guest roster there were nine people uh dino cazares uh burton c bell uh from fear factory uh fred

durst dj lethal from limp biscuit uh chino marino from deftones benji webb was dub war skindred eventually

eric bobo from cypress hill christian old walbers did double bass um and then there were various

brazilian uh percussionists like gilmar bolo e oh ito and george du pexi um and so you just like a

uh an ensemble cast people bringing like expertise with these uh you know unique instruments but also

people um i don't know that were just uh being really innovative at the time they're kind of

deftones and and and limp biscuit and stuff and having benji webb on there which is really cool

um runtime 68 minutes long which is long that's far too long for you but i like it do you know what i

think the reason it stacks up is because it it it's um like the there's so much difference between each

track journeys it's it's really really cool um it debuted on the u.s billboard at number 79 uk number

16 um france number 14 germany number 29 australia 33 um certified gold in the u.s um on australia 35 000

uh the singles uh were eye for an eye um barbaruma which is my favorite bleed and tribe um i do really

like tribe as well um uh touring they they did um it's really interesting that if you look at their

touring if you go into setlist fm and look at the touring that they did um essentially it's like road

roadrunner just they had all of these bands so they just all went off and did all these really

really cool tours but also it's when oz fest was kicking off as well so there was a huge surge of

metal just enormous yeah so if you were in in the circle yeah do you know i mean you like you i don't

think you could fail if you got like a heavy record out and you were on roadrunner and you were out you

you were going to do well um uh so so they did they did they just did um yeah did all the things

um artwork cover photo by joe kircher um the tribal motifs and and designed by pawnshop press

um i the the two versions if you ever look on the blog there were two versions i did i've never seen

the alternate cover i don't know whether that was like done in a particular region or or what but i

couldn't find out that much information just that there were two uh two versions which um uh i think

it's really interesting um equipment um max often tracks with a stripped down four string guitar um for

percussive down picking yeah okay that makes sense i don't know with strings yeah i don't know what

that means so you've got if on an ordinary six tune guitar of six strings yeah e a d b sorry e a d g b e

yeah that's how it's tuned yeah so what you tend to find is is that people with the four string thing

would just take me like a bass so e a d g that's that's how that's how a bass yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

but i'd imagine yeah sepulchury used down tuning so are they so are the strings further apart they're

like a bass or are they will they still be quite close i don't well i don't know i don't know what

that guitar looked like but i'd imagine that it would just potentially yes but potentially not also

it might just be just not have the top two strings on it but it would have been maybe slightly

thicker strings yeah because of the down tuning um and they tend to use drop c or drop d or something

like that but yeah but rather than it being i think it was down tuned i think there's a lot a whole lot

the whole lot goes down and that's where you get that thick right kind of grunt um ross robinson was

the producer um he had a performance first ethos yeah and they embraced bleed through this which i think

is what makes it feel pretty alive yeah um and then obviously andy wallace was was kind of as a

you've got ross robinson you know embracing bleed making them all play it live um andy wallace trying to

clean that up trying to fix the mess and then not him again yeah oh come on

and then and then the mastering kind of brought that because it's quite a loud record

yeah it doesn't feel like over compressed which i think is really interesting no there's definitely

dynamic there's definitely goes yeah yeah it's pretty cool um the japanese and eu limited editions

added discharge covers for ain't no feeble bastard and the possibility of life's destruction um and max

loved hardcore he was a big big kind of hardcore punk fan yeah um so often they got lumped in with

heavy metal and metal and metal and you know um but actually i mean roots wise you know obviously

the the um i guess some of that that tribal music that that he would have been exposed to as a kid

yeah yeah yeah that it was discovering like kind of the iron maiden and the slayer and uh kind of you

know the melvins and stuff um really shaped that as well which so those covers are really interesting

um uh mario uh caldato jr who was the beastie boys producer uh co-produced bomba and oob barbaruma

um which again if you get that bouncy bit that makes sense doesn't it yeah you wouldn't i i i didn't

expect i remember first listening to this record and you don't expect that and it kind of gets you and

you're like oh this is like this is proper bouncy proper cool um uh the so ross killed was one of

these big shows that they did and they would mix sepultura songs and soulfly songs and i'm never sure

how i feel about that um because like which you know i mean yeah yeah yeah uh oasis did let's say

like liam gallagher did this he would do this he would do the oasis songs that he wrote when they

went and um noel would do the song and noel wrote most of the songs so when he did his band when they

split up and they're in their own they will both play the songs that they knew and and it's like

that's just an oasis covers band now yeah and the same is true like when playing the disapultures

i think it feels a bit like i don't know how i feel about that if i'm honest um oh and then at

the end there's a uh a hidden track uh solteo des matas yeah yeah yeah uh proper 90s hidden track at

the end yeah um as all albums should have um uh so it's at the end of carmageddon yeah uh and it's

based in brazilian folklore um and i really like that that so as we go through this there's this

this merge of culture of this kind of thrash and heavy metal and death metal culture that is happening

in in the u.s and that you know max is being exposed to via you know tapes and record records

merged with that kind of brazilian the folks that culture and folk and and then and you know um

but but again it's like if like if it may if if the band had have formed and they were all based in

florida yeah yeah it wouldn't no no they probably would i think there would have been an amazing band

yeah yeah but you you it is i think it's that situation of where they were and that kind of goes

through it's kind of a once in a generation thing yeah where where they you know they ended up all

those stars aligned and yeah and that's what got captured yeah yeah yeah um and that oh that that

that that are the facts good good facts um i haven't actually got another track to play

just now have you have you played all the tracks that we chose yeah but we could choose another

very quickly before we go shall i look shall let me bring up the um the track list i like fire and i

like no and you yeah they're the ones i like no as well should you know um let me go through i'm

looking at the list um yeah let's do no let's do no and then we'll talk about next week it's got

christian old walbers on double bass

no jude me no no fuck around no trust no one no criticize no fake smiles no sympathize no enemies no reddish shit

no bullshit no slave ship no motherfucking hoodie and the blowfish no radio sound no bounty line no fall out loud no falling dream

no bullshit no slave ship no motherfucking hoodie and the blowfish no radio sound no bounty line no fall out loud no falling dream

no bullshit no bullshit no bull shit no slave ship no motherfucking hoodie and the blowfish no radio sound no bounty line no fall out loud no fall out loud no falling dream

no bullshit no bullshit no bullshit no slave ship no motherfucking hoodie and the blowfish no radio sound no bounty line no fall out loud no falling dream

No polytry!

Don't judge me now!

Don't fuck around!

Don't trust the one!

Don't criticize!

Don't fake smiles!

No puncture none!

Don't follow none!

No redneck shit!

Here you fucker!

No!

N-O-N-O

N-O-N-O

N-O-N-O

N-O-N-O

N-O-N-O

Fuck!

No worship!

No bullshit!

No bullshit!

No motherfucking hoody and the blood fish!

No fuck around!

No trust the one!

No enemies!

No enemies!

No let them die!

Fuck!

No!

No!

N-O-N-O, motherfucker!

N-O-N-O-N-O-N-O, motherfucker!

N-O-N-O-N-O, motherfucker!

thing where we sort of talked about stuff um but do we make a decision do we say anthrax do we go

there well i would like to do that so the reason i would like to do that is august 21st 1990

persistence of time was released so that makes it 35 years old yeah and i was gonna say 25 years

five years ago i i have to be honest i bloody love this record it's got time on it um

oh yeah it's got like blood keep it in the family in my world good it's just oh it's got the joe

jackson cover yeah yeah yeah um he used to live here didn't he yes what swaddling where we are

which is great um anyway i absolutely love this record now the reason i think it would be good

fun is we could do this next week yeah and then like the week afterwards two weeks of planning

yeah we've never done two weeks of planning have we um so afterwards if i look at their discography

yeah um so we have persistence of time in 1990 yeah um now that is phenomenal classic anthrax lineup i

think joey belladonna vocals pretty much anthrax classic anthrax lineup at their peak

yeah they were on fire and um as much as i think they're i don't know among the livings probably

their most important album yeah um but i but i think persistence of time is probably one of their

best i think it's just epic um then they did the sound of white noise in 1993 now that has got um

vocals from john bush yeah off of armored saint yeah and it radically changed their tone and sound but i

think we got another we still got the band on fire yeah yeah yeah with the different vocals and they

there's like a darker so we're gonna go yin and yang then yeah i am we're gonna kind of compare them a

little bit back to back i think so we'll do yeah um yeah if we do persistence of time yeah which is

epic yeah and then we'll do sound white noise which is epic but they're so different yeah yeah yeah uh

i think that's going to be quite good fun and then three weeks down the line oh no not three weeks of

planning we are going to go through what we're going to do you're not allowed to look in your

i can't look until you can't look in your pouch okay and then live yeah live yeah we're gonna choose

you have to open it and pick one the hard bit's going to be that i like some of them i can't remember

the the date the dates but we'll have to do it yeah because i think there's some i look through and

there's some wicked stuff in your in your pouch yeah yeah yeah so and i think that'll probably run us

down to christmas going through because they must be i reckon there must be 200 cds in there yeah

you're probably right yeah i don't know whether any of them still work yeah they'll all work cds are

like that aren't they yeah yeah do you remember do you remember tomorrow's world yeah yeah i remember

seeing the cds on there and you know how they demonstrated the cd oh god they smeared it with jam

and then played it and it still works yeah and i'm like why did you do that yeah do that with a tape

yeah i could do it with a vinyl you get jam on your needle well look i don't do that i don't like at no

point yeah yeah yeah did i feel the need to smear jam on my vine so lasers lasers see through

jam exactly there we go i mean what so that's no hope if we have laser warfare

you don't use jam we don't smear ourselves with jam to stop the lasers jam's a terrible defense

when the russians turn up with the laser weapons or the aliens isn't there an alien god there's an

alien thing yeah yeah i love the um jam jam won't work

it's gonna be like government propaganda this government will probably like spend like 20

billion pounds yeah on a leaflet that tells you not to defend yourself with jam um but the do you know

the thing that i love is this so so there is a interstellar object that's flying towards us yeah

and it's shaped a bit like a cigar yeah yeah yeah and um we've pointed telescopes and other bits and pieces

at it and it's like a slightly unusual uh orbit and it's got slightly unusual spectroscopy and

the gases and things it's you got the words but what's that specs spectroscopy spectroscopy

yeah that's what i did when i was an a-level student at the lab yeah

spectroscopy yeah so and then um i remember breaking that machine i was drunk when i was

i was an a-level student and they let me in the lab in the evening and i'd been in the pub yeah and

then i'd gone to work yeah and you know you're like oh god i wonder if i can tell if i'm like

out of and then and i remember i broke the so we had to have a man come to mend it and i just

said it was broken when i got put jam on it yeah put jam in it wrecked it um but and so you know

this cigar shaped thing's coming and then they asked uh uh an astrophysicist and in the in the

interview it said something like uh you know uh could it be aliens and he's like look it's really

really really unlikely yeah but physics is physics right and you can't rule anything out so yeah is it

is it possible yeah it's possible yeah it's really improbable yeah headline lasers alien ship on on

path to earth and then all the crappy like metro and all of those they've all just copied and pasted

it so now there's like 20 articles that say there's an alien ship yeah coming this way and

sometimes that would make me really angry yeah that you know the the um there's some taken really

poorly out of context and stuff and then and then the conspiracy theories get a hold of it right and

they're like oh but like you know the the gas doesn't match and the color doesn't match and

this isn't and you know it's the the the point of the universe being like infinitely large is that

basically everything that can happen does happen so yeah the fact that it's improbable yeah this

means that it's likely right this stuff is kind of inevitable and that's the way the universe works

anyway um the the the bit that i i quite i kind of got to the point where do you know like the the the

the world's in a bit of a mess right now yeah isn't it like and you know i i watched um president trump

yeah and mr putin doing doing their things and that was not very good and there's a lot of other things

that you think well they're not very good in gaza or another you think there's a lot of really

complicated things that are really difficult to solve if an alien ship arrived that would all get

fixed overnight yeah yeah well the aliens to worry about yeah i think it would it would either go like

completely mad yeah or everyone would just go oh we better yeah yeah yeah well that's the white

walkers thing in game of thrones isn't it is i've still not watched game of thrones oh i'm obsessed with

alien earth can i give it away everyone must you've had time surely to watch game of thrones now

i'm not spoiling anything no you're not going to spoil if i go for it okay so game of thrones is all

about the kind of the inter um dragons later it's got dragons in it no the well the dragons aren't in

the original bit are they not no no they didn't come till later well they sort of do but they're kind

of teased in oh that was all about dragons no the house the dragons about dragons oh but the dragons

do yeah the dragons feature later they kind of come into it but there's a there's a scene where

they've got chains and they're a dragon out of the ground the end that's near the end the dragons

happen but yeah but at the beginning they're not there right so so what there is is this there's

these kind of like different kingdoms and different lords and different and they're all fighting each

other yeah about stuff and then suddenly there's this idea that the white walkers come which are

like these zombie things from above the border yeah um and they they could they're like zombie

killing they kill everything right so there's this idea that um although what actually happens is they

just keep fighting you know between themselves but there's this kind of suggestion in the book that

actually there's a common enemy and that and that the united against the common enemy so sorry that's

why i remember i think there's definitely a thing there's definitely that that that thing that that's

needed everyone unites against some kind of and that's what kind of what happened in world war ii

to a degree wasn't it yeah everybody and then and then the and then the eu came off the back of that and

then uh because like europe was at war for years everyone was fighting everybody else yeah yeah

and then since that everybody hundreds of years yeah and then everybody made friends and then it was

then it was all right and now um yeah i don't know it's just chaos now isn't it yeah yeah do you

know what's interesting now about politically is that no one knows what's going on

today i'm sure somebody somewhere does but imagine if you're a political commentator now and you

suddenly go switch you and they go oh great yeah you it is our you're a political expert and you just

you just do with a shrug just kind of a shrug i don't know do you know what i mean no idea what's

going on sorry i was looking at something else yeah i was yeah i was looking at the alien yeah i was

watching kittens on youtube chicken jam on a cd oh i have to be honest um alien earth has taken

over my i need to what keep up with that i've watched i've watched a couple of episodes have you

yeah it's good oh they're so good i enjoyed it a lot that i'm so it's just it's just aliens and and

just seeing more of the world it's like uh my one of my favorite movies is blade runner yeah and i but

it's the it's the universe that puts you in yeah and this feels like that similar kind of universe and

it's just expanding my and i just i cannot get enough of it i just want way more of it yeah yeah way way

more of it well that's that's good because once i've done this it's disney said there's bound to

be 25 seasons of it and an offshoot and if they if they cut this short alien mars that they'll have

that but if honestly if they cut this short i i i i will write a letter yeah yeah to my

cancel your subscription i don't know yes samantha nibbler who's our mp she's getting a letter

if they cancel this dear so-called mp why that would make me very i i would be so grumpy if

they know if they if they did that not that it's got anything to do with samantha i should say

samantha nibbler's lovely yes totally it's not her fault but that's what you're doing britain isn't it

you write to your mp yeah yeah yeah it doesn't matter what it is yeah you write to your mp and

you're very grumpy about something yeah it's like the extreme the most extreme anger like a british

person can can reach is writing a letter to their strongly worded letter yeah it would be strongly

worded as well i i can tell you very strongly worded what you what have you been watching what have you

been doing well that really alien yeah that's the one yeah for me really liking that before that i did andor

yeah um and then yeah that's it really there's a there's um um oh season three of something oh this

is going to be awful podcasting no not silo we love silo don't we do love silo um oh what's it called

it's one of like the end of the end of the world things that i quite like there's a season three of

that which i've not oh yeah yeah yeah um what's it called three body problem oh that's coming isn't

it that's season two yeah it's not it's not here yet oh so season three is that invasion invasion

season three of invasion yeah that's it i liked that that was quite good um

it's never really good we're really spoiled for good tv yeah yeah and actually and yeah apple stuff's

good isn't it the apple tv stuff's good they're crushing aren't they yeah especially in the sci-fi yeah

yeah yeah they've got it the sci-fi stuff is really good and don't we get another dune

oh yeah we've got to go to cinema though aren't we to watch that yeah you have to watch it in imax

yeah pictures yeah you have to watch it in imax in the big chairs yeah that's dead good yeah let's do

that i don't know that that's that can't be a million miles away well it's we'll have to sort

it soon because actually you know it's been a while since we've been has been a while yeah

yeah i what did we see oh we saw alien romulus didn't we yeah romulus yeah i really enjoyed that

yeah i do like alien but the oh i don't think i realized quite how good alien was when i saw the

first movies you know as a teenager yeah um i i've really really fallen for that kind of um

retro futuristic yeah totally world yeah yeah and i think um severance did it for me as well

that's kind of a bit that's like retro futuristic oh no that's that's um slow horses oh sorry that's

excellent as well that's back soon but but the um yeah the uh oh god there's so many things you've

told me to watch i know like severance is severance is kind of retro that retro you you're not quite

sure where you are in the world in the time and i like that i kind of like the way it messes with

your brain a little bit but it's got like clicky crt yeah computers yeah but then it's in this world

where they've got this this kind of futuristic thing where they mess with your brain yeah um and i

like that foundations come in i like yeah so yeah i like the world of that yeah i like foundation

but i but i think that's the thing for alien that's got me is the retro futuristic yeah well

and and this you know the whole um yeah the way it's kind of quite clearly futuristic

tech yeah but the tech yeah is yeah yeah clicky buttons and it makes like you can it makes clicky

noise i like i want my computer to make clicky noises yeah you know like when you like when i get an

email i want to go yeah yeah yeah i want that that's what i like blade runner in it yeah and all

that lot yeah yeah i want all of that yeah so if you're uh if you're making can be the apple

the next macbook i want it to do all that yeah

all of that that's what i want to do so i want to press the button i don't i don't like these keyboards

that don't make a noise no i want it to sound like i've hit it with a hammer it'll be a click

or a clack click clack clacky keyboard creamy clacky yeah that's what you apparently that's what

keyboards should sound like i like that we've gone off piste a little bit unlike us totally like us

so if you've got this far well done you well done um if you could do well done you that was the sign

off well sorry sorry yeah yeah that was that do you know i uh somebody was talking to me about the

show this week listen to it said you you know i listened to your episode and it was like one that

we'd done ages ago some metallic one yeah um and i sorry

i don't know it's like tourette's i couldn't say anything but sorry sorry yeah really sorry about

that but and did they were really good feedback yeah i really enjoyed it that's absolutely great

yeah if i if i wasn't us i'd probably listen to us yeah we're dead good yeah and if you've got this

for you're dead good as well we need help though and we need you to uh please give us um a five-star

review yeah even if we're not worth it yeah yeah and if you go if you want to give us a four-star of

review or below just don't yeah i don't we don't know why it's important but yeah we've

noticed other podcasts that's what they like they do that and youtubers yeah uh so we we need to get

better at this because i've noticed the youtubers what they do is they say welcome back to the channel

guys yeah so you have to begin with that yeah welcome back to the channel guys and then and then

they'll do something like this week we're gonna um i watched yeah i watched a brilliant youtube video

about washing cars yeah and he was like welcome back to the channel guys this week we're gonna do

a thing about shampoo let's get straight into it oh we don't do that we don't do that we've got 15

minutes of waffle before we get anywhere but that's uh that's why people listen to us dude he was straight

in with his he got his bucket ready he was on it it was brilliant absolutely brilliant but then what i did

is he paused yeah like he was washing his car yeah and then he gets like and so i'm making fun of this

and i what i watched it i was glued so dude's washing his car and then he stops and it cuts to him like

not washing his car like at a desk saying you should subscribe yeah do subscribing yeah you see the people

are good at this and then it flipped back to him washing his car there's there is a formula that people

have for these kind of things yeah so subscribe no subscribe i don't know if you can subscribe subscribe

and five star reviews yeah that's what we want yeah tell your mates and i don't know what but the the

thing is the youtubers do it and they say it really helps the channel yeah okay right so yeah i i don't

know how yeah but there we go so if you do that thing that will help us and it'll be great great and then

we i don't know what it'll enable us to do yeah but it will be great um next week's anthrax yeah sorry sorry

oh you i don't know what it's going to be great um internationally with queen but