we're here hello hello hello what's your name chris what's your name i'm neil
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this is ruthology we're doing about the food fighters first album all the all the important
information that's it done just go um i remember i think um i think this album's really interesting
yes thank you it's a great story behind it fascinating i love the arc yeah of um like
dave growl ascending into being a god yeah do you know what i mean and then just being like people
praising him yeah and then and then the internet turning on him and like oh recently yeah yeah
i don't like him anymore yeah yeah i just think it's this thing isn't it where you know we idolize
these people yeah but it's like we just want to rip them apart really you know it's it's it's i just
think it's bizarre it's absolutely bonkers but it's just they came from all let's say they came from
nowhere but they you know this album so the original food fighters record no one no one knew it was
coming no one expected it um did really well it was a bit weird it's got some it's got it's like
it's it's not what you expect no no but great um and then launched them into the stratosphere
and then each album just got bigger and bigger and bigger until they uh like do you remember that
series of shows that they did where dave growl had his broken leg yes yeah yeah and um they would
quite often get like people out on stage and to be they'll get like uh local like kid guitarists out
to play on on on stage and stuff and the videos for that would get like 10 million views huge huge huge
huge yeah yeah but it is it was that it was well you know about the point where they brought out the
pretender wasn't it that was like oh that was what a band i mean you're absolutely huge humongous you
just no missteps were there it was just like banger after banger after banger and they were all
throughout that period they were just cool yeah there was nothing like nirvana were cool yes you
know there was like some yeah because there's always an ebb and flow with that isn't there there's bands
that are cool for a bit and then not so cool for a bit i think it's like whether you're fashionable
isn't it yeah you know i mean like oasis have been through this yes where oh there's a point in time
where you you wouldn't you wouldn't talk about them there's never a point that oasis were not cool
yeah they're always but fashionable yes yeah yeah maybe they're not not they're not fashionable
anymore but um but they were you know like liam's always cool yeah yeah do you know what i mean he's
always like he's all and i think um yeah that there was this but they just never seem to go out of
fashion foo fighters they just seem to be um they're just in no doing their thing but they work hard
they're a hard-working band you know when you look at their back catalog and they're obviously they're
obviously constantly at it you know touring and writing and uh recording and you know that this is
obviously this is quite literally their full-time job isn't it this is what they do well it certainly
was for it for a long time i always compare it to getting into a relationship where long distance
relationships are always really difficult when you live in the same city it's easy and when you get
along with the people it's you know it makes a lot easier feeling comfortable with the rest of the band
helps a lot so i don't really feel like it's just me in the front i feel more like there's the four of us
and then the end of the stage and then the audience so the difference between the record and the band
is such a great difference that now when i listen to the album i feel like there's something missing
you know so i actually prefer listening to live performances than than the album and um
i'm just looking forward to the next record more than looking back on the last one there was an ep i
think called was it pocket watch oh right okay um uh that got released and it was just some demos that
he did yeah just record some of these songs off this first half no before that no yeah it's 92 okay
but it's really interesting i heard uh an interview with him essentially idolizing yeah um
the the songs in nirvana like the the songwriting so the the songs that kurt cobain had written in nirvana
but it's difficult because when you're in a band with someone like um like kurt he's such a great songwriter
that you don't want to like you don't want to pollute anything you're like okay well everything's
it's going really well you know no one knew you could play all these instruments and stuff and you
obviously you're a really talented musician so you know how much of that did you bring in nirvana
how much of those songs were yours in nirvana see what you mean yeah and he was just like i didn't
touch them no no no that's just kurt's that's good yeah that's kurt's thing and they were perfect
yeah yeah they did not touch them at all so he would then go into the studio and get his like some
of his creative kicks if you like from doing his doing his own stuff um
but there's a lovely bit where uh somebody asked him these the songs for this album the debut
were they recorded like before um you know kurt's death and he said yeah they're you know some of
these i'd i'd got for for a while and some of them came after but some of them were a while it's in the
songs yeah the songs yeah and and they were saying what did you what did kurt make of them i said i
would never share them yeah and it was this thing where he didn't share them with any
anyone and he was almost uh i thought embarrassed me i don't know there was just something where he
was like i'm not you know it's one of those though isn't it where you're you know you're with that you're
in the band with the guy that wrote smells like teen spirit yeah you know all these absolute standards
of of of song of song craft in in in that kind of grunge world you're probably not gonna no
you know like i can't hold a candle to that you know after losing a member of your band you don't
ever want to play music again but that will change you know and you'll soon realize that
that i mean music is the only thing that i really really really really love to do and so you know
for a few months i stopped and then i just started feeling like i gotta keep on i have to do more i
have to do more so that was it i just think he's crazy though that that whole that whole thing where
he's he's got these things he doesn't think anyone's gonna notice or anyone's gonna care
records them or and all the tracks on here are recorded pretty much by dave crowl yes
dave he did all the instruments and then there was a producer and then i think the guy from ecstatic
that's it did did a bit of guitar and actually there's a song is there a song called ecstatic on
it yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so there's a there's a little bit so he did additional so it's greg duly
who did additional guitar and ecstatic um you can see that is that this and it's a kind of cathartic
process yeah yeah to go through the creation of this this particular record um but i i don't know
i just love the fact that he just went off into a studio for and i think it's like 10 days or
something it wasn't a huge amount of time and just like bashed them all out yeah and then he gave tapes
away yeah and then it was just gonna do like 100 tapes yeah there's a hundred cassettes it's
called it foo fights because he wanted it to be like a band yeah not not a solo didn't want it to
sound like there weren't anyone to guess it was him yeah yeah and because he was embarrassed that
people was always the drummer from i just hate the word solo it's so gross you know like if i wanted to
be a solo artist then i would have called myself you know like david snake pit or just like lenny
kravitz or something you know i mean that's that's when he decides like he wants to be like solo like it's
just me you know and i don't want to do that and yeah and then and then the record label started to
hang on a minute you know this is all right can we yeah yeah yeah can we talk about it um i i like you
know we did the um definitely maybe from the oasis definitely maybe it's that one of those improbable
stories yeah you know if you were if you were writing the movie script right and you did it and you
pitched the movie script you'd get a what what really it's not very believable is it you know and it feels a bit
like that you know being in this huge band and the lead singer dies and then yeah you know and
actually the drummer turns out to be like dead talented but has had nothing to do with the
writing of the songs no exactly yeah yeah yeah there was sort of no there was no precursor to it was
it at all no it's i it's that's the bit that i think is like this is this improbable thing where
you ended up clearly somebody that like immense songwriting talent in a massive band with amazing songs
but didn't have anything to do with those yeah yeah that's not it's so improbable yeah yeah i mean
you know the way we function is really not that different than any garage band that lives in your
neighborhood we're we're normal people we're friends and we get together and we write songs on our own
we're just kids right playing music we do it for the same reason we did we were doing it back then
and i think that you know when you when you go through that kind of stuff like johnny went to college
and this guy quit because his parents were mormon and didn't want him in the band anymore and we like
a band like us we went through the same thing uh but we had to do the whole thing we had to do it in
public in front of everybody i was the fifth drummer in nirvana they had a lot of drummers they were
from aberdeen washington and so but they're they're early drummers one of their early they're the people
that were in the in nirvana before i joined were just bananas they were all just crazy like the first
one of them drove a truck through like a supermarket window once with the mayor's daughter in the truck
you know and this other guy the first time i met their first drummer we were at a laundromat and he
comes in and he goes hey man and he hands me some quarters and he goes i'm gonna get in this dryer put
those quarters in once you close the door okay so he gets in this dryer and i put the quarters in
and that was that's what you gotta do to be in nirvana you know but it was the it so it was the kind of thing
where the where the label were then interested so he had to form it he had to form a band he had to
to kind of make make a band but sunny day real estate yeah had recently called it a day and split
up so a couple of those guys obviously kind of jumped in and you know they i think they were all friends
and they were hanging out and that sort of thing happened you get the feeling that's kind of how
dave rolls yes yeah yeah who's around yeah yeah it's just like oh yeah you'll do you know i mean and
then and then you come and jam for a bit and if you get on you know what i mean and if if if you get on
then oh yeah you're in or if you're not you're not yeah yeah you do get the feeling it's just
a bunch of mates hanging about yeah play music you know it's there's that what was the documentary um
it was great yeah there was sound city but there was also there was not is it sonic highways was
another one and i think there was yeah there was a couple but there was one which was almost like
the story of the formation and the development of the band and no it was sonic highways i think
i think you know and they were there's a barbecue where so they're having this barbecue and they're
still writing the record yeah yeah and um his daughters are all around him going oh come on
come on come and play the god because i've got to finish these and he was writing the lyrics in his
kitchen yeah yeah for the album and you kind of thought oh well you know obviously he's got tons
of experience and then he can do that but then reading about this album that's pretty much how this
one was done as well there's like studio notes and stuff saying that he was writing
the lyrics yeah like in the vocal booth yeah yeah yeah it's kind of in there uh but it's laid down
most of the the tracks and then he would go and do some of the vocals and be like you know and then
he'd get his little pen out and he'd be writing the lyrics in in the vocal i don't really think that
it matters when songs were written if you think about it just because um because when trying to
write every song differently than the last um you try not to have like period like a phase i'm not i'm
going through this heavy phase man i can't get out of it you know i'm going through this acoustic phase you
try to like you try to split everything up and mix it up i yeah to be fair though i i'm a bit like
that are you yeah like there'll be some songs when you sing it you realize it's not quite right yes yeah
yeah there's this there was some that that was definitely a like a star from ivy thing but that
was definitely loads of the lyrics like we'd be performing them live yeah and there wouldn't be
any words they were like gobbledygook sounds and what the what i thought the word phrasing should be
and then suddenly there was a song that we got called the forever sun yeah and and probably for
a year or a couple of years it had no lyrics it was just it was just like kind of gobbledygook books
the odd phrase the odd word coming in yeah yeah and then it wasn't until the day before we actually
recorded the vocals i wrote the thing and with me and dameron they're still this hotel in sheffield
somewhere and and the word like i've got to probably write these words now because because we're
recording it tomorrow but i can see i can see that and i can definitely i can definitely because
with songwriting for me personally like the lyrics are the last things to come right quite a lot if
i'm writing a song but whereas there might be a line there might be the odd thing but in terms of like
the formation of the of the piece yeah you know quite often for me i know some people are different but
the music comes first so i'd imagine that was what what it was here was a collection of riffs a collection
of beats yeah and then how do you phrase this and put them together and then putting the lyrics and
yeah it's it's funny isn't it there was did you i don't know whether it was oh i don't know whether
this was pre or post aussie's death right but it was zach wilde talking about working with aussie
yeah yeah yeah and he said you know for everyone gives aussie like you know people that are not in
the industry would give out you know they just think everything's done they think he just like he's
wheeled out yeah and he said they don't understand how amazing he was so so the thing that made aussie
super special was this ability you you would be in the studio or in the rehearsal space or whatever
and he said and i'd come in with like 30 riffs that i thought were great and aussie would whittle that
down to five right right and then he had this ability to then come up with the melody the melody on
top of that riff yeah so it would be this ability to kind of go and he he said like you know it was
almost like it clicked you would play the riff to him and he'd go no no no stop that that one and then
he do you know i mean then he would be like you know let's do it differently because you know obviously
he wasn't a guitarist he'd be like so differently and then he'd say like as you would then get that
riff and you would be kind of you know kind of riffing on that that riff that he that i'd showed him
and then he'd like just come up with from nowhere this melody that would sit over the top and he was a
killer for melodies and it was but he said he was all aussie it was all i was being able to pick this
stuff and be able to get it i and you know there's a there's such a skill in that but where you can you
it's done by ear uh and the reason i say that is because i think isn't dave growl like famously can't
play an instrument right right so he doesn't he can't write music yeah he doesn't know what the chords
i just plays the shapes and there's a lovely bit it was an interview with him where where someone's
asking him how he learned to play the guitar he says i can't play the guitar i don't know what an f is
yeah yeah yeah i don't know what a g is i have no idea yeah i literally don't know i've just learned
if i put my fingers there it sounds good it's that sort of thing exactly oh yeah if i do this it makes
that noise and i like that oh no i don't like that and that's and i don't know there's just this thing
where um i think some people have that you know that that that ability to do that and clearly
you know ozzy and and and dave growl they that some of the melodies and this album for the foo
fighters record it's full of like like pop melody oh yeah i mean the top that then that that must be
a kurt thing because kurt was amazing at that as well yeah yeah that's very true like the top line is
like just you hear ones and it's an earworm yeah yeah and there's tracks on here though that are like
like the heavy metal um community adopted and yeah yeah you're like what yeah you know this doesn't
feel like this does not feel like a a kind of a rock no song no at all i mean there's somewhere it's got
all it's almost old country jangly yeah yeah kind of yeah it sounds almost like 50s yeah you know
i mean it's got like a really super summer pop thing yeah you know yeah but it's got it but the
melodies and the hooks of that and i mean quite clearly that's in his brain you know if you can't
if if you can't write music then that you've that's just got to live in your brain is that yeah yeah yeah
yeah yeah you know what i mean it's just but there is there is like a a sort of web of of style styles
from that neck of the woods yeah that sort of seattle washington um portland even you know that that
kind of part of the world in america it's definitely got a sound to it yeah definitely got of like a kind
of swampy sort of we've talked about summary thing yeah well we've where i i think i i always had this
assumption it was the studio but i i don't think it is because it's a weird contradiction of of
styles on this album there's like punk stuff on here there's tracks that sound like um i'll stick
around yeah that to me sounds like it's off a nirvana record yeah yeah it's it's angry it's vibey
i'm not a nirvana record yeah yeah i thought i made one all it took to bother you every word i said was true that you'll see
it's all right if you're confused let me be
i've been around all the pawns you gagged and mound he'll come back and knock you down
it's not for me
i've taken all that i've endured
it's not for me
i've taken all that i've endured
it's not for me
i don't know you
i don't know you anything
i don't know you anything
i have no hair you were ever desperate man it would turn that when it lands what are you i should have known you were better off alone i looked in and i would show you you were too
I'm taking it all when I've been here
One day at all, the day I'm sure
I don't know you anything
I don't know you anything
I don't know you anything
I don't know you anything
I don't know you anything
I don't know you anything
I don't know you anything
I'll stick around, I'll stick around
Turn my wall, keep my neck
I'll stick around, I'll stick around
Turn my wall, keep my neck
I'll stick around, I'll stick around
Turn my wall, keep my neck
I'll stick around, I'll stick around
Turn my wall, keep my neck
I stand by rock music, that it'll absolutely always have the same impact on your music
I stand by rock music, that it'll absolutely always have the same impact on a person
Rock and roll can do the same thing that it can do when rock and roll was huge
whether it was when the Beatles were huge, or Zeppelin was huge, or the police were huge
but I mean if a kid goes out and picks up a high on fire record, some crazy heavy shit that probably no one in here has ever heard before
and they listen to it and it makes them want to break a window, that's what rock and roll does
Like the first time you hear AC/DC, you know, you get that feeling like, oh my god I'm gonna break stuff, you know
So I mean that, like kids can find, they don't, kids find their own way of doing that, you know
I don't want kids to play drums like me, I want kids to play drums like the kids, you know
I had my favourite drummers for sure, but I think we both taught ourselves how to do what we do
You know, we didn't go to school for this, we just, to be honest, we just listened to records
and we weren't good at anything else, you know, we're lifers in that way, I'm a high school dropout
It was either two male models or drummers
But then you've got Big Me, which is not
No, no, it's classic, kind of, you know, if you layered a load of stuff on it, it's almost
a bit Beach Boise if you just a load of my harmony vocals and that sort of thing
Yeah, and again, the vocals on this I think are really interesting
I think Dave's vocals get better as he goes from album to album
Partly because this stops layering it quite so much
Yeah, there's a thing with his, like quad layering
Yeah, because he wasn't confident with his voice
We hear that from so many
Like James Hetfield
Yeah, yeah
Hated his voice, he was only a temporary singer
Yeah
In Metallica
And didn't like his voice, it was only
Was it Bob Rock? Bob Rock got him to stop layering as much
Right, okay
He used to do that all the time, he didn't like that
So it's bizarre, isn't it?
You know, these people that you assume are going to be confident
Yes
Have this vision of what they want and actually
When we talked about it last week, I actually don't necessarily have that
That confidence you'd expect
No, no
I mean, how do you be a rock and roll star?
Yeah, yeah
And not, you know what I mean?
And then, oh, I'm not a very good singer
Yeah, yeah
Shall we do some facts?
Let's do some facts
There's some fun facts on this one, I think
I'm at the wrong place in my thing
So it was released in 1995
I'm going to say 26th of June in the UK
It's bizarrely, according to my notes
It was released in the UK before the US
I don't think that's correct
But that's what it says online
So that's what I'm going to go with
It's tagged as post-grunge
So that's got a keyboard in it?
Is that the law of post?
I think that just means after Nirvana
Is that what that means?
It says alternative rock, pop, post-grunge, punk rock
Yeah
That's a nice way of describing it though, isn't it?
Really?
That's what the AI described it as
12 tracks, 44 minutes long
Yeah, yeah
All quite short
That's like your ideal length, isn't it?
Yeah
That's like 12 songs
Yeah
About 45 minutes
Yeah, like that
Job done
Oh, that's good
It's an album
You listen to the album
And then you listen to it again
Yeah
I like that
It was on Roswell Records
So the original
If you see the original vinyl pressing of this
It's all got like Roswell Records
That's Dave's label, isn't it?
Yeah
Roswell Records is Dave Grohl's label
That's it
It's an imprint that he put it out through a major
Yeah
But he controls all the rights
And it's, yeah, it's worth pointing out that he
So he owns everything and then leases it to Sony
Sony, yeah
So, yeah, they're one of the few
There can't be many bands that are in that situation
And I guess it's that improbable scenario of having tons of cash
Yeah
Being able to fund it yourself and then say, screw you
Yeah, yeah
You know what I mean?
If you want it, yeah, I'll license it to you
But you're not having it
The foundation of this band
Is so perfect because everything that we've done
We've never had this financial, this aggressive financial
It's just been mellow like, let's make it about the music
Let's not talk about money
Let's just go have a good time
All of these albums that we've put out
They're on my label
And I just license them to Sony VMG
And so we own our whole catalog
Nobody tells us how to do stuff
But then being able to do that for the rest of his career
Basically, I think that's really, really cool
The original version, Dave did not tell who it was
And just dished out a hundred cassettes
Right
To people in and around Seattle
And no one knew
And that's where the name Foo Fighters came from
The UFOs, the Second World War UFOs
And he thought it sounded like a band
And didn't want it to sound like him
So that's what he went for
When I did that first record
I was reading this book called Above Top Secret
And it was all about people that were in the Air Force
And the Marines and around the world
Talking about this crazy stuff that they've seen
I read the words Foo Fighters
And I thought, oh, maybe I'll call it that
Because I didn't want people to know it was just me
If I had a name like Foo Fighters
They'd imagine it was a group of people
Famously hates the name
Because it's stupid
Which I just think
It's too far along now though, isn't it?
Yeah, you can't change it now, can you?
You know, I'm really happy with what's happened
Over the last 16 years
We're really lucky
And I love being in this band
But honestly, Foo Fighters is like
The stupidest f***ing band name you've ever had
It's a horrible name
The reason why I called it Foo Fighters
Was because
The first thing that I recorded
Was
I did it by myself
And I played all the instruments
I played drums and guitar and bass
And sang
And I made this cassette
But I didn't want people to know it was me
Because I didn't want people to think like
Oh, that guy from Nirvana
Is trying to start another band
So I just called it
Foo Fighters
Because it sounded like a group of people
But it stuck
And it stayed all this time
And I just can't believe
If I knew that
We would be here
Would there have been a point
Where he could have changed it?
Yeah, I don't know
Because there was a bit where
There was the bit where
Taylor Hawkins joined
Wasn't there?
Because he wasn't the original
Yeah, no, he wasn't
He was a bit later
Yeah, he was, yeah
That might have been an opportunity
To change it, yeah
To change it
What would you change it to?
Band names are stupid
What would you call a band?
It's just like
Yeah
Do you know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah, mad
It sold 900,000 copies
In the US
By the end of 95
So in six months
So it did
I think it did really, really well
That's crazy, isn't it?
It came really from
Saying they're basically demos
I mean, that's the thing
It sounds like demos
It's a demo album, really
In terms of like
It isn't
Because it's obviously
Really well played
And that sort of thing
But you'd imagine
Somebody else might have gone
That's great
Let's re-record it
With the band now
Oh, yeah
It might be
I wonder if Dave
Told them to get lost
Yeah, maybe
Because it's got
For me, the thing that makes this
One of my favourite albums
For Free Fighters
Is that
The fact that it sounds
A bit raw
It doesn't
This doesn't sound
No one agonised over
Clip timing and stuff
To this
And, you know
It's
And I think
They're better for it
It's
Each track sounds
A little bit different
And the
I don't know
There's like
It feels alive
I think it's important
To write
To have an album
With 12 songs
That none of the songs
Sound the same
So different arrangements
Different moods
Like happy songs
Sad songs
Quiet songs
Loud songs
Every song
Soft songs
And so that
Instead of an album
Of 12 songs
That sound exactly the same
You try to
Break it up
And make it
Make everything different
So you can put it
On the album
At the beginning
And listen to it
All the way to the end
It sounds authentic
Yeah
You know what I mean
It sounds what it is
And I quite like that
Yeah, yeah, yeah
It's really, really cool
The album really came
Half of the album
Came from
The loss of
Kurt Cobain
And Dave
And Dave
Dealing with that
But basically
I think he struggled
With
Lots of interviews
Talking about
Initially never wanting
To play ever again
And then
Realizing there was
A cathartism
About music
And doing that
And that's what
He decided to do
And that's where
The band came from
When Kurt passed away
Nobody could imagine
Playing music
Ever again
Really
It was difficult
To listen to music
And then I realized
Oh wait
There's healing
In music
Maybe that's
What's going to
Make me feel better
Same as with Nate
And William
They were in
Sunny Day real estate
And that band
Had ended prematurely
And so
So this became
A vehicle for everyone
To feel like
You know
Life goes on
The ball keeps rolling
You know
It's the same feeling
Like my buddy
Jimmy passed away
We'd known each other
Since we were
Five or six years old
We were best friends
And he died
And I was
I'm still heartbroken
But you know
The chorus of that song
That song
Is basically saying
Like you know
Words mean nothing
Without action
And so
I could write
A love song
About how much
I love someone
Or I could write
About how much
I miss someone
But there's just words
You know
So to me
It's all about
Like moving forward
And actually
Like doing something
You recorded
At Robert Lang Studios
In Seattle
Yeah
Some
And then they recorded
The tracks
Some were mostly written
Some were written
During the time
Of Nirvana
Others were
Written afterwards
But
Almost all of them
Were finished off
In the studio
There were a hundred
Vinyl LPs pressed
Oh were there
Right
Apparently so
Yeah
I've never seen one
No
But given
Given the fact
That I can't even
Get a copy
Of the Goo Goo Dolls
Superstar Car Wash
For less than a kidney
I would
Well I would wager
That they are
Stupidly expensive
Let's talk about the cover
Yes
Do you know about the cover
No I don't
But it's that kind of like
It's that like
It's almost like a UFO gun
Isn't it
You're going to love this
You're going to love this
Do you know whose gun that is
No
Buck Rogers
Is it
So it's Buck Rogers
XZ-38 disintegrator pistol
Didn't know that at all
Chosen for its sci-fi appeal
Yes
And it was designed
By Jennifer Youngblood
Do you know who she is
That's Dave's
First wife
Wife
Dave's first wife
Yeah
Now
Do you know what
The press
Jumped
So bear in mind
It's sci-fi
It's Buck Rogers
It's cool
It's sci-fi
Great
It's called
Food Fighters
That's got a
Do you know what
Do you know what the press
Came up with
It's a reference to
Kurt Cobain's
Killing himself
You're joking
Dickheads
Cheap
Cheap
Cheap
Not doing the homework
Yeah yeah yeah
Lazy
For those fans of the show
That listened before
We need dinosaurs
To come and deal with
Those people
That's how you deal with
Dickheads
Dinosaurs
But it's a cool t-shirt
This is
This is a cool
If you've got this
I remember being at work
Yes
And I work in a very nerdy job
And sometimes
When
Like
Nerds like me often
Like dealing with strangers
Is quite difficult
Yeah
You know when you've got
A room full of people
You don't know
I just go and sit in the toilet
Yeah
Or
I do that
I used to go and do
When I was presenting a lot
I used to go and
I had this
Tiny physics book
By Richard Feynman
Called Six Easy Pieces
Which was the Caltech
The original Caltech lecture
So if you were a
Physics undergraduate
At Caltech
This would be the
Physics undergraduate course
And I had it in a book
And I used to go and sit
Like
I'd find like a dark corner
Somewhere
And I used to go and sit
And read it
Wow
And that kind of
Made me feel calm
And then I would be able
To go and deal with people
And I was doing an event
We were at
We were in Reading
So we were in
In Reading
This big event
Loads of customers there
Loads of people there
Didn't know anybody
And I was a bit nervous
And somebody came in
Like
One of
Like the people
That were on my side
Of the fence
Came in
With a Foo Fighters
With this Foo Fighters
Album t-shirt on
And I was just like
Yeah you're alright
And then that
So I went and sat with him
Yeah
His name was Adrian
And he was
He was alright
Yeah
So that's how you tell
If people are alright
Yeah if they've got that shirt
If they've got
Yeah but this is a cool t-shirt
So that's pretty cool
See with me
It was the
You know last week
We were speaking about
Performance and cocktails
And I spoke about my friendship
With Martin Book
Yeah yeah
And how that was quite
A thing of our friendship
Yeah
This one was a different friendship
It was with Danny Bennett
Another friend
Yeah
We were a little bit younger
He used to go around
His quite a lot
Yeah
And play on Amiga
Oh the 500
No he had the 600
Oh
And I had the 500 plus
Oh nice
And we used to play on that
Team 17
Yeah
What else did you play on
Well we did all that
For a bit
Was it Worms
Worms yeah
Yeah there was Worms
And there was
Captain Planet that I had
There was Lemmings
There was all those sorts of things
Lemmings was dead good
On the Amiga
Yeah it was
And then he ended up
Getting the SNES
So he had like
The Mario Kart
And those sort of things
We used to play
Around his
But this was an album
That was always on
He'd always have this album
On when we were
When we were doing stuff
So
While we're off topic
Do you
Do you
Again you're going to love this
You know like
Commodore doesn't really
Exist anymore
Yes
Yeah
A YouTuber's bought it
No way
Honestly
Like a YouTuber
Who loves retro computing
Yeah
Yeah
Has pulled a consortium together
Important
And they bought
Commodore
Wow
So they're now
Relaunching and redoing
You know sometimes
You see things
And you just think
I don't like
I don't like
Any of the things
That you're talking about
Yes
This was just like
I love everything about it
This is the best thing ever
And they're just talking about
How they're going to do it
And what they're going to do
And how they're going to
There's good stuff
Oh
They're so
They're like
Nerdy nerds
Yes
Do you know what I mean
They're the right kind of people
To own Commodore
And I was just so
Yeah
It's just been
Oh yeah
Anyway
I'm so excited about that
Because Atari had to go
Didn't they
They started bringing out
Some stuff
That never really landed
Yeah
Doesn't
And I think
This will work
Because these guys
Absolutely get it
They are just
In it
Up to their elbows
They love it
So yeah
I could not be more excited
About that
And if I had more spare time
I would join them
And do coding
And it would be amazing
Maybe when I retire
I will retire
As a Commodore developer
Oh I forgot where I got to
Oh Pistol
We talked about Buck Rogers
I like Buck Rogers
Yes I like Buck Rogers
Dead good
Where was that the other day
Someone had Twiggy on their phone
Twiggy Twiggy
Twiggy Twiggy
Yeah someone had that
On their phone
It was like their
Their homeschool
I can't remember who it was
But I remember being surprised by it
Like I wasn't
I wouldn't expect them
To have that on their phone
What was the doctor called
Doctor
Oh I don't know
I think that was
Doctor Robotnik of Sonic
That's all I can think about
Because we're talking about
Games and consoles
Different doctor
Different doctor
Very different doctor
Peter Venkman
That's a good doctor name
Where did
Oh yeah
Venkman
Right here we go
Yeah
Dave Grohl paid for all the sessions
And yeah
So it was all Dave
He owns the whole
Yeah the whole
Whole lot
So he does
Does absolutely everything
Owns everything
For all of the albums
And typically
Will kind of pay
And run
Everything out of himself
So the band
Own it
And then they license it
Off to
To the record labels
It's a nice model I think
Because you were saying
That creative control
Yeah
If you could do it
It's mega isn't it
So
I didn't Taylor Swift
Sell all of hers
And then buy it back again
Yeah something like that
Because she did her own
She didn't like the versions
They put out
Yeah then she re-recorded hers
Yeah
And then the old ones
Have then gone down in value
Yeah
And then I think she's
Bought them back again
Right okay
I find
She can do what she wants really
I find the concept
Of owning something
And ultimately
Like an idea
Yes
Just absurd
Yeah yeah
Like
Oh yeah
The idea of publishing
And songwriting royalties
And that
That'll do your head in
Because that's
Mad
That's
Yeah that's not even
That's not a record
That's
No because there's the record
So there's the record
There's the
There's two copyrighting music
There's a copyright of the song
Yeah
Of the composition
The kind of
The words and the music
Whatever you want to call it
And then there's the copyright
Of the recording
And they're two very different things
And the recording for me
That's a physical thing
And I get that
I get that you could
Like you could own
The original masters
Of Dark Side of the Moon
Yeah
And I could go and buy them
And I could keep them
In my drawer
With my underpants
And that's
And they're mine
That's my copy
I own them
Yeah
But then there's the
The songwriting
Of
You know
Breathe
And you just think
How do you
Do that
How do you
Because ultimately
That lives in somebody's head
And then there's a
Like 50 million copies of it
So 50 million people
Know that song
Yeah
But it's yours
Yeah
You know
That intellectual property
Of the song
Of the composition
Of the idea
If you like
Yeah
That's why I just
I find it mind-bending
Really interesting
So that's why you have
Record labels and publishers
So record labels
Would ordinarily deal
With the copyright
Of the song
Yeah
Recording sorry
Yeah yeah
And publishers would deal
With the copyright
Of the composition and song
I'd never
Because some songwriters
Don't perform
Some songwriters
Just write the songs
And then they
Yeah of course
Perform them
Yeah
But they're the two worlds
They're the worlds
Yeah
Where did I get to this
Oh yeah
So the album
Was recorded
From the 17th
To the 23rd
Of October
1994
In Seattle
It's really interesting
It was essentially
Recorded as demos
So most of the tracks
Were done twice
They were tracked twice
Just Dave playing
And then
And then
You know
Then building
The track up
So it's got
Interesting
You can tell
I think
Yes
It doesn't sound live
No
It's not got that
Kind of
Feel to it
But it doesn't
Sound like
You know
Like a
Mutt Lang
No
Yeah
Polished
Track thing
I think it's got
An interesting sound
This one
But I quite like it
Interestingly
The songs were
Tracked in sequence
Oh really
So he poured
On the record
That's interesting
So yeah
I think that's
Interesting as well
When asked
He felt his voice
Was the weak point
And then
Which is why
I tracked it
Like 18 times
That's a
Foo Fight
That's
A standard
Foo Fighters
Thing
That double track
Vocal
Or quad track
Vocal
Whatever you want
To call it
That's very much
A Foo Fighters
Kind of sound
That's part
Part of that sound
Probably not so much
On the newer stuff
Maybe but
Certainly for a long time
Yeah
It had a thing to it
You'd have to think
That after you did
The first
Like years worth
Of live shows
You think
Oh I'm alright
I can tell
You know
I'm alright
So
Oh where did
We get to
Now I keep
Losing my place
Oh yeah
So it was produced
By Barrett Jones
Oh he was a
Co-producer of it
He worked with
Grohl on his
Original demos
And I think that's
Why he kind of
Got him
Got him back
There was a trust
There that he
Wasn't going to
Blab it
Yeah a little bit
Album
Album
Debuted
Debuted
At number 23
On the billboard
200
Which is
Which is like
Sold 40,000 copies
In its first week
Number 3
In the UK
Which is
Yeah
For a brand new band
I mean clearly
Off the back of Nirvana
Yes
Yeah yeah
People were ready
And waiting for it
Weren't they
Yeah but the song
Song's were incredible
Yeah so
Sales data for this
One was 1.4 million
Over that year
Which is
Which is just nuts
Other stuff
That was released
In that year
It's a big year
For music
It's a huge year
Watch the story
Morning Glory
Jagged Little Pill
King for a Day
Fall for a Lifetime
Adrenaline
Deftones
Infernal Love
By Therapy
Stomp 442
By Anthrax
Which gets a lot
Of hate
From the Anthrax fans
We've already said
There's no one
Hates heavy metal
Like heavy metal
Fans
And they don't
Like that very much
Balance by Van Halen
Right
And look at
Draconian Times
By Paradise Lost
I like that
British band
Paradise Lost
Didn't get the love
They deserve
I don't think
1995
95 also saw the
Formation of Slipknot
Slipknot
Slipknot did a vinyl
This week
Limited to 200 copies
Sold out in 8 seconds
I saw the email
And went
Oh I'll get that
Click gone
And then literally
I'm working
I see the notification
Click
Gone
I don't know
I don't know
I don't know
How people
Bought it
Also
The formation
Of Buck
Cherry
Right
In this year
Which I think
Is really interesting
It's a great year
For rock music
Isn't it
That
People give the 90s
A hard time
That was pretty good
Singles with
This is a call
I'll stick around
Big Me
And For All the Cows
For All the Cows
Is a weird one
That's a weird
Choice for a single
It is weird
Isn't it
I mean it's a great song
Don't get me wrong
I'm not
You know
I'm not calling the song
But it's
It's an unusual song
I am also going to
Call your attention
To the videos
Yes
Very good
Always fun
So
Some of them
Are a bit nuts
So
Big Me
Yeah
Is like
It's just really
Bizarre
They've got
They have that
They have this
Mint
Where
Is it like
They're doing
Like bizarre
Stuff like
This
Girls at the beginning
And her mini
Gets stuck
This guy in a massive
Car
Blocks her in
And she can't get out
And then the Foo Fighters
Turn up and pick her car
Up and move it
And she pops a mint
And they all wink at each other
And go
Oh isn't that great
And then
It's really weird
Really weird
And then
I'll stick around
Is another
Like
There's bits in there
Where like
He eats chess pieces
And
They
They were quite good
I think
Or they had good
Guidance
On
Creating videos
That were going to
Work and get your attention
Proper MTV fare
Yes
It was everywhere
And
This was around the time
Like pubs would have
The video
You know what I mean
Yeah of course
When you went to the jukebox
And put something on
It would come on all the video screens
Yeah
So yeah
Pretty
Pretty cool
I think
Touring off the back of this
They did all kinds of stuff
They are
According to
Setlist FM
They played 100 shows
In 1995
Wow
And then they did another
1796
Yeah
They made the US live
Debut supporting Mike Watt
On the Ring Spiel Tour
With support from Hovercraft
They were on
The Late Show with David Letterman
Festival appearances
At Pugal Pop
Reading
Lowlands
Everywhere
They toured Europe
Japan
Australia
New Zealand
It's
Just nuts
Yeah
Yeah
I mean
We talk about this quite often
But I think some bands thrive
In that live
Yes
That live
And I think
You know
They're all still grieving
A little bit
Off the back of
Kurt Cobain as well
So
You know
I think they just kind of
Threw themselves out
Into the
Big wide world
A little bit
But definitely
Grafting off the back of that
Yeah
And haven't ever really stopped
No
From what I understand
They've not been big gaps
Has there
Not huge gaps
Not like some bands
Oh where are we going to here
Oh we've done all of that
I've covered
I'm doing my five things table
And we've done all of that
Oh
Despite Dave Grohl
Playing everything
Capital required
A full band photo
In the liner notes
Isn't that weird
Yeah
Yeah
Yeah
I did not know that
Until I was at the table
It's not been used
Massively in
TV and video
Big Me was used
On The Last Man on Earth
In 2015
Right
And on Bones
You know
The movie Bones
Yes
It was in there as well
Critical reviews
Yeah it's interesting
So Spin compared it
To Nevermind
Which I think is stupid
Yeah
It doesn't sound like
Nevermind to me
It's a totally different vibe
Because yeah
Kerrang said it was
Strong enough to stand
On its own merits
Yeah I think lots of people
Were comparing it to
Punk and grunge
Robert Christogel
Who was a famous
Reviewer back then
Said it lacked
Identity
I mean how do you feel
About that now
Yeah
Yeah yeah yeah
Exactly
I think it's got
Identity
Yeah
Generally was super
Well
Yeah super
Well
Reviewed
I don't think
There were any
Remasters
No
Right that is
Interesting
Because it
Yeah
Because it is a
It could quite easily
Be couldn't it
It could yeah
I'm glad it's not
No
So well done Dave
Because we don't like that
But yeah this one I think
It sounds like the beginning
Of something
That's what this album
Always sounds like to me
Yeah yeah yeah
Put it on you go
Oh that's the
That's the start
That's the beginning
For me this one sound
This is Dave recording it all
It's in the studio
He's kind of grieving a little bit
Writing the songs
Doing his thing
It's a point in time
Of him doing the stuff
And that's what this album is
Yeah
If you go back and
Like remaster it
And compress it
And polish it a little bit
It's now not that
It's not that anymore
Yeah yeah
And for me I don't know
These songs
The songs are not going to get any better
By making the album louder
Yeah yeah
Do you know what I mean
I think it's
The thing that makes this special
For me is the melody
It's Dave's top line
So it's kind of vocals
And the drum
The percussion as well
He's got a
Dave Grohl
Has got this lovely
I mean it's not a super
Technical drummer
But what he's got in
In like rhythm
Of you know
This ability to play
The right thing
At the right time
Yes yeah
It's incredible
Yeah yeah yeah
None of that's going to get
Any better if you remaster it
No
And I think
But like you say
It's a point in time
It's this
It's this
It's a capture of the moment
Yeah exactly
And I like it
So I'm very glad
That it's not being done
Well if it has been redone
I can't tell
Which is really good
And that is it
For facts
Not that many facts
About this one
Very good
So shall we listen to one
And then we shall
Discuss what we're going to do next
I haven't thought about
What we're going to do next
I'm not ready
That's alright
We've got time
Because I've got to edit
And faff
And do things
Oh yeah
I might have a fruit pastel
Yeah go on
What shall we play
Oh let's do
Let's do Big Me
Oh I like that one
When I talk about it
Carries on
Reasons only new
When I talk about it
Aries or
Treasons already new
Then me to talk about it
I could stand to prove
If we can get around it
I know that it's true
Well I talked about it
Carried on
Reasons only new
But it's you
I fell into
Well I talked about it
Carries on
Carries on
Reasons only new
When I talk about it
Aries or aries or treasons all new
Pegged me to talk about it
I could stand to prove
If we can get around it
I know that it's true
I know that it's true
Well I talked about it
Put it on
Never was it true
But it's you
But it's you
I fell into
Well I talked about it
Put it on
Never was it true
But it's you
I fell into
I fell into
I fell into
I fell into
I fell into
And it's you
And it's you
Yeah because the hardest thing is
The greatest thing about this band
Is that it's a new band
And we're looking towards the future
And it's nice because
We have so many things to look forward to
And most of the interviews I do
People just ask about Nirvana
So it's like
I'm trying to look towards the future
And I'm trying to like move ahead
But people always like pull me back
So that's the hardest thing
And mainly it's in interviews
Like where people will ask
One question about the fighters
And then Nirvana, Nirvana
And then they ask all these Nirvana questions
And it's like
You know Nirvana was fun
And it was you know
It was great
But it's gone
You know
And so this is what I'm trying to focus on
Like try to look to the future
Do you think that if we didn't have
Coke Zero and Fruit Pastels
Yeah
That this would be the same experience
Oh
No
No
I don't think it would work
I think we'd have to quit
I'm very tired today
I was up late
Watching YouTube
Were you?
Was
I watched a video about
I watched a video about making Oris watches
Right yeah yeah
Because you know I like that
When I'm tired
Yeah
When I need to get to bed
I love watching
The Wristwatch Revival
YouTube channel
It's very calming
Yeah
And it keeps
I'd love to be able to do it
I'd love to have that
I know
The patience to just
Do it
And not lose all the bits
And then kick it across the room
And then know how to put it back together
Yeah yeah
I get this huge sense of anxiety
When he takes the watches apart
And then he puts them back together
And it's like
Do you know what I mean
He's kind of like filling
I can feel my body filling back
And I like that
Anyway I watched this thing about Oris watches
About how to make the movements
I watched Alex Steele's
He's a blacksmith
Oh okay
He's just forging
Oh yeah we've got to get one of them
I love that
It's brilliant
And so I was you know
Busy
Busy doing important things
Till like one o'clock in the morning
And then Lizzie has decided
That she's lying in too late
So she set her alarm for six
Which woke me up
Yeah
I didn't need to be up at six
No
She fell back asleep
And I couldn't
So for like five hours sleep
And I'm feeling a bit tired
Yeah yeah yeah
But good choices
Of things to watch
Wow
Well indeed
Yeah
Indeed my friend
Indeed
It's been
And then I had another day
This week
Did you watch the one
Where they make the swords
Is it called Forged and Steel
No it's called
His name's Alex Steel
Oh right okay
He's very British
And he does all kinds of things
This one isn't
This is very American
Oh is it
And they bang stuff
And then they like
Chop stuff up with it
Oh
Yeah
I mean I've never done forging
Or have the desire
To forge or blacksmith
But I love watching people do it
Yeah yeah yeah
I don't know
I reckon you would
I reckon
When she got a forging
When she got a bang in stuff
I just think it'd be
You know it's a bit like
Be loud
You have to have earplugs
I tell you what
It reminds me of
Is like when
I watch a festival
Yeah
I think that'd be great
Do you know what I mean
You know where I'm going
Yeah I do
But then you think
Oh but actually
I've got a backache
And my feet would hurt
And there's nowhere to sit down
Do you know what I mean
Yeah yeah yeah
It's a bit like
I think I imagine forging
Like as a blacksmith
It would all be hot and heavy
Wouldn't it
And I've got like
Delicate little hands
That use keyboard
And my little delicate hands
Would be like
Oh that's a bit hot
Can I have a bigger glove please
So I like watching people do it
Oh I'll tell you what else
Was on as well
For the
And again this
For those
You either know
Or you don't know
But there was a
Project Binky episode
And if you don't know
What Project Binky is
Then
No I don't know
Yeah you just
No
It is a
You know we
We cover lots of like
Niche albums
Yes
Where you need
You know if you know
Project Binky is a
Small corner of the internet
Okay yeah
And if you know
Project Binky
You know Project Binky
But it's been going for forever
And it is
It is great
If you like that kind
If you like cars
Yeah
Project Binky
Oh is it really
Okay right
Is your thing
Go and check that out
But it is excellent
So there you go
That's what I did
And I didn't sleep very well
And I got up too early
And I was feeling a bit tired
And I think without the Diet Coke
And fruit pastels today
You just wouldn't have handled it
I'd have probably just had a nap
Yeah yeah yeah
It'd just been you
You'd just be going
Wake up
So I'm feeling a bit tired
Yeah
Yep
I think that before we
Before we talk about the next record
Yeah
Which I thought we've done 50
55 minutes which is good
That's pretty good
I know what we're going to do next
But we're going to need to
Throw something in the air
Oh we're going to do
The key with the keys
Unfortunately
Because I know which one you're going to
Well I say the band
I know which album you're going to choose
Oh really
And I'm going to choose a different album
Right okay
Yeah we'll have to fight over it
We'll have to do a key fight
Why don't we build a thunderdome
Out of the back
And then we both go in
Then one of us comes out
Yeah
And the one that comes out wins
That's the best way of doing it
That'll sell it
Just whoever has the
Whoever can stay up
Without having a nap
That's just about it
I wanted to talk about
Like the gratitude
For all the people
That are listening to our show
Across the world
Oh that's great
Yeah
There's loads here
It's gone bananas
There are
It's a bit bonkers isn't it
That people come up to me at work
And say I listened to your show
It was great
Which is cool
But then
You know when we started this
We knew everybody
Yeah
I mean I know everybody
I mean not online no
But like literally physically
Had touched everyone
That listened to the show
And it's bonkers
But we had a little
WhatsApp group didn't we
Where we were trying to
Encourage people
Yeah yeah yeah yeah
Or four or five of us
Or whatever
But yeah it's
It's taken on life of its own now
It's mad
It's fantastic
So yeah it's really cool
And it's cool to see
I think I looked
People have listened to this show
From 70 countries now
It's great
Which is like mind boggling
It's great
Yeah I mean
It's interesting
There's no
Do you reckon there are free pastels
In those
In Diet Coke
Coke Zero
I think Roundtree
Roundtree should
If you're listening to Roundtree
You should totally sponsor the show
Yeah
Just send us
We don't need any money
Just send us free pastels
Yeah just give us like
20 kilograms
Honestly we would
No one would see us again
We'd just go out
And like
We'd be in some kind of coma
For a pastel coma
They have to be just
The red and black ones though
I have to be honest
We're quite good though
One pocket between the two of us
Yeah it is good
Over about three hours
Yeah yeah yeah
Because like I mean
Most podcasters I think
Would get through this show
In about half an hour
Solid three hours
Three or four hours
Of mucking about
But that's the way it is isn't it
Yeah it's part of our week
Yeah it's good
So we could definitely
Yeah
Have some sponsorship
From Roundtree
That'd be good
Yeah that'd be nice
And the blog's doing really well
The Riffology.co
Yeah if you're new
So Riffology.co
Is our blog
Where we
So for each of these shows
We do like a little blog
So like a crib sheet
Where the facts come from
And how we
You know
Read and find out
About stuff
So that's where that is
You can listen to the podcast
There as well
But which you is
Obviously listening to now
So you don't need to know
Where to find us
Because you're on it
You're already on it
And we would love reviews
If you
We've got a nice review
We did
Someone gave us a lovely review
Of the podcast
Which was fantastic
We like that
And if you can't bother
To write a review
Just give us five stars
Give us the stars
On the thingy
On the app
Yes if you're in
On the mobile app
You have
It was weird isn't it
You can only do
The rating
If you're listening
On a mobile app
So if you're listening
On a mobile app
And you thought
We didn't suck
Then if you give us
You say
You know
That was alright
Give us five stars
Then the algorithm
Recommends the show
To more people
Yeah
Yeah
Which is great
And just
Write a little
Couple of sentences
Yeah
Saying why you like it
Neil was much better
Than Chris
Yeah
And that's it
That is it
Whatever gets the reins up
Yeah
To be fair
We don't really care
That much
And
I don't know
I mean I'm sure
There are people out there
That really drive
Their podcasts home hard
And want them to be
Super successful
Do you know what
I really like about it
I like the fact
That we've got people
That are listening
And then commenting
On socials
And it's just
This lovely community building
Where
You know
People talk about stuff
And they tell us
That we've got our dates wrong
And
Which I really appreciate
Yeah
But it's lovely
It's just
You know
I think it's been great
With you know
All of the stuff
Going on around Aussie
Over the past week or two
It's been fab
Seeing you know
There's people
Sharing what they're listening to
And there were people
At the funeral
This week as well
Yeah
The cortege
Went through
Birmingham
Which was epic
Fair play for getting
Cortege in
That's good
That's good
I didn't think
I was going to be able
To do that today
But there you go
But yeah
It's a lovely
Little community building
You know
So
And it's
I think it's people
That
And I think
Lots of people
Are like this
Where you
Probably in your
40s or 50s
Looking at our stats
You're either
American or British
And I bet
Your family
Hate heavy metal
And rock music
And you are
Listening to this
In your car
Or sitting in the toilet
Or whatever
And it's just
I don't know
It reminds me
A little bit of school
Yeah
Where everybody loved
The same kind of music
That I loved
Yeah
And steadily as I've gone
Through my life
There are fewer and fewer
People
I mean I know people
That listen to Coldplay
Yeah
Purposely
Yeah
And I don't like that
I don't like that at all
I like different things
And there's
I don't know
I kind of
It's lovely
Our social medias
Are people
That have got
You know
It's a bit like
Being back at school
Yes
I mean they're all
Dickens
They're all mad
But
It's lovely
It's this kind of
But not
Not dinosaur level
Oh no
You wouldn't turn the
Dinosaurs
No
No
But it's lovely
It's just this lovely
Little community
Of like
Passionate music fans
That like
Music
You know
Like
Cool music
And I like it
Just remind me
Of being at school
It's cool
It is good
What are we doing next then
Sepultura
Oh
We're having a fight
Because I'm going to say
Roots and you're going to say
Chaos AD
No
You're going to say
Roots
No I'm going to say
Beneath the Remains
Oh Beneath the Remains
Right
The first one
Yeah
Well no
They did some before
They did
Beetle Devastations
And then some other stuff
But yeah
So Beneath the Remains
Was the one
That absolutely
That was the first
Big biggie one
And I loved that
I think Arise
Is their best album
Yeah
And then
Yeah
Roots was the one
That was the one
That was super mega popular
Yeah yeah yeah
I think kind of
Around that time
Of new metal
And stuff
Was just starting
And this just kind of
Popped a little bit
Didn't it
I'm going to
Forfeit the keys
Are you
Yeah I'm going to say
Let's do the one
That you chose
Why is that
Because I've not
Heard it properly
Have you not
I want to explore it
It's mad
It's such a great
You can hear what's coming
But it's such a great record
Yeah yeah yeah
It's got the best album cover
Of any album
Yeah
No album cover
Is better than
Beneath the Remains
It wasn't meant for this album
Right
It was meant for
Obituary
Oh really
Yeah it was Obituary
And Sepultura
Were both on the same label
Okay
And both wanted the same album cover
Did they have to do the keys
No but I don't know
What happened exactly
But the album cover
That they wanted
Yeah
One of the Cavalera brothers
Has got like half a tattoo of it
Oh wow
Right okay
But it's the
It's the Obituary album cover
Wow
But they wanted it
And then the record label
Told them actually
You're not having it
You're getting this one
But both of those album covers
Like if this is number one
Yeah
So if Beneath the Remains
Is the best album cover
That's ever been made
Yeah
The Obituary one
Is the second best
They're both Michael J. Whelan
I think
Right
That's a fascinating story
That actually
Amazing isn't it
I should have saved it
For next week
Yeah we'll say it again
Yeah no one will remember
By then will they
Anyway so Sepultura
We can
Besides we can do Roots
Yeah
Another time
Yeah of course we can
We can actually do
What we want
Do you know
Because we own the rights
To our own music
We feel like Dave Grohl
We can do it
We won can't we
Yeah
You know what I mean
Yeah yeah
I'm down with that
It's great
So shall
Yeah
Let's do one then
Yep
See ya
It's alright
That was easy
That was easy