RIFF055 - Terrorvision - Formaldehyde

*Wheep*

Mythology

We're back, we are back

With a vengeance on a Saturday afternoon

It doesn't feel very rock and roll on a Saturday afternoon, does it?

It's not, is it?

You know, it's like, I remember when we used to do it in, I remember when we used to do the doghouse in the winter

And it was, it was downstairs and it was always dark and there were always police cars outside

And it just felt a bit rock and roll, you know, this is rock and roll

Yeah

Like Saturday afternoon

Yeah, it's sunny

It doesn't feel rock and roll, is it?

It's very pleasant, it's Glastonbury weekend

Oh, it is!

Everyone's there

You were telling me the, um, Lewis

He's back

Capaldi's back

He's back

Don't care

I didn't notice he was gone

Did you? I just didn't notice, I'm sure he's lovely

He seemed lovely, I watched a documentary on him, he was lovely

Yeah, yeah, yeah

I didn't notice he was gone though

He's got a nice gruff voice

He has

He's a banging songwriter

Yeah, I can belt it

He's a good songwriter, isn't he?

Yeah

I watched it, I watched a lovely video of him

A lovely documentary

And it showed him and his girlfriend at the time I think it was

And he used to go and just bury himself away in this like little annex

Yeah

And, you know, play on his piano, bash out some tunes and that

And his girlfriend basically thought he was a bit of a loser

Just imagine that

Yeah, yeah, yeah

Look at me now

Yeah, absolutely

Very good

Very good

What else is going on at Glastonbury?

Do you know what's going on?

I don't know, I don't really watch it

I'm not

No

Yeah, it's not really my

It's Radio 2, isn't it?

Radio Summit

Yeah

Radio 2

Yeah

Glastonbury's Radio 2 scene

Yeah

It's

I'll tell you what it is, it's in Mainstream Friends

Okay

Yeah, Mainstream Friends

That's what it is

Yeah, yeah

Occasionally you get like

Something

Fun bands there

Yeah

Like you guys played there

Yeah

That would've been fun

Yeah

But it's buried away

You don't get to see them, you know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah, yeah

No

Headline, you don't get

I like, when I went, I liked St. Vincent when she played with her band

Yeah

She was great

She was really, really good

You just kept sending me pictures of like, how big it was

It's massive, look it's massive, it's the biggest thing ever

It is, it's like a city, it's like a city, but yeah, it's, it's, I've never seen anything so big

Yeah

I'm not sure, I'm not, I'm not, I've got no drive to go to Glastonbury, I don't know why

I just imagine my feet would hurt a lot

And I wouldn't really like it, I've never been, but that's, that's the kind of thing that I've got in my head

There's lots of things that I feel like that about

Yeah, yeah, I think, I think we're both of an age now where we both like nice soap

Yeah, hand soap

Yeah, like nice hand soap, I like sharp razors to shave with, I like comfy chairs

Yeah, you're not getting those at Glastonbury

Do you know what I like a lot as well? I know it's a bit, I'm a bit, this is going to sound really weird

It's just, you know when you're like, I'm just about to launch into this

And then I'm just like, oh, you should stop, you should maybe not say that

But I really like my car, because it's got heated seats

And I've been doing my couch to 5k

Yeah, yeah

It makes my back ache a little bit

Yeah

And I really like when I get in the car

Put the heated, and it's lovely

You can hear that warm, you know that lovely warm feeling

Yeah, yeah, yeah

And it warms up your back and you just think, oh, that's really lovely

Yeah

Well, it's like 500 degrees Celsius today

Yes

So I can't, and I put my, and I got in the car and it had the heated seat on

I was like, oh, it's a bit overwhelming this is

Yeah, yeah, yeah

You've got, you suddenly feel like, you know, you've got the air cons blasting freezing cold air at your face

And the heated seats are warming you, and you just, oh, I had to switch it off

Yeah, yeah, yeah

It made me a bit sad

So, because you're, it's your birthday today

It is my birthday today

Happy birthday, Neil

Thank you very much, happy birthday to me

I haven't got you anything

What have we got, you got, what have we got, we got

Yeah, but you bought those

I bought my own fruit pastels

I bought my own birthday present

I bought myself a copy of Wasps, The Headless Children

An original 1989 version

And it made me very happy

Very happy

I'm listening to that this morning

And you've chose to come and do this on your birthday

Which is very, you know

Just getting out of the house

That's commitment, isn't it?

Kids are just fighting with each other

I was describing this morning the kids like

And they, so I kind of woke up a bit late

And the kids hadn't written the card, right?

So they hadn't written the birthday card

Because they're kids and they don't want to do that

So my youngest is really excited about birthdays

He loves birthdays

And my eldest is 14

Yeah, yeah, yeah

And isn't excited about anything

He's at that teenage point where everything's like

And that's what you get from him

And so anyway, Barney wanted to get him to write on the card

So Barney had written his part on the card

And then went in to give the card to Leo to do

Now the other bit of the card was black

And Leo decided to write on it in like liquid chalk pen

Yeah, yeah, yeah

So he got the liquid chalk pen

Pressed down too hard

It blobbed everywhere and liquid chalk went everywhere

My youngest then called him an idiot

So Leo punched him

So now I've got like liquid chalk all over the walls and the floor

Yeah

I've got a card that looks like it's there

And then both of the boys are punching each other

So I'll tell you what

I was going to do a recording instead

And I just thought, do you know what?

Yeah

I've watched the...

There's a Grand Prix on this weekend

So I thought I'll watch the...

Silverstone next week, isn't it?

Yeah

Are you playing?

Yeah

Are you?

Yeah, it's cool

You're going to do a bit of tunage

It's cool there actually

You play in the...

The woodland bit

In the bush

In the bushes

Yeah

Yeah

That's how I was saying to the lads

Just to sort of let their hair down weekend

It's mad

I...

I remember

I took Barney last year

I met up with Dave House

And we kind of went into his bit

And he'd been talking about

Oh yeah, well we do this thing there

At Silverstone

And I thought, you know, you kind of

Your mates say things like that

Yeah

Oh, okay, well, whatever

I went there and like he owns

Like he runs like half of Silverstone

When you go there

He's got this massive fan

And you're like, what?

Oh yeah, yeah, we do all that

Yeah, yeah

What about that bit?

Yeah, we do that bit

Yeah, that bit

Everything you can see is him

All these simulators

Yeah

And it was just mad

So cool

Yeah, yeah

Such a cool experience

Yeah

Yeah, it's dead good

Dead good

But yeah, which one is it this weekend then?

It's the Hungara ring

Okay

So yeah, it's Max Verstappen's home Grand Prix

Yeah, yeah, yeah

So yeah, it's good

The qualifying's on now

Okay

Oh, so you're missing that to do this

I'm missing the quality

Yeah, but I'll watch it when I get back

Yeah, yeah, yeah

Do you watch it fast?

I don't, I like

I like

I like the beginning bit

Yeah, I like the beginning bit

I like that

Yeah, I do

I like

I like my Formula One

Very good

So, I'm Chris

I'm Neil

Yes

This is Riffology

This is Riffology

You found us

Riffology.co is the website and the blog and everything else

You should go on that

You should go on that

You should go on that because that's really good

Great

Yeah, there's loads of stuff on there

Loads of stuff

And then this is the podcast that lives on that with that

It's symbiosis

Brilliant

This is what happens

Just nailed it

People love this

Which is strange

Bearing in mind that we've just had seven minutes of not telling anybody about what we're

doing

Do you know

But people seem to really like it

I don't understand

He said to me that it's like being with your mates in a pub just chatting about it

Yeah, yeah

And that, you know, I think there is this, I don't know, there's this isolation in modern life

Where we are quite isolated now and it's nice

I listen to podcasts during the day and it's nice, it feels like there's somebody else in the room

I like it, I like the Blind Boy one

That's the one I listen to the most

Yeah, yeah, you got me onto that

I listen to him every week

But he's like he's talking to me, if that makes any sense at all

He does that too there

He does weird stuff where you have no idea what's going on for 20 minutes

And then you're like, oh, that's what we're here today

But yeah, anyway, thank you for listening to us

Thank you for tuning in

Thank you for tuning in

And yeah, we're doing a TerraVisions formaldehyde

We're kind of still on our British, I don't know, deep dive really

We're just kind of looking at albums from the 90s in England that nobody outside of England really heard

Yeah

So lots of these records, I've chatted to a few friends over in the US

Even, I was chatting to some friends in Australia this week

Yeah, yeah

I say friends of people that I work with

And they were saying that they'd never heard of these

No

Which is weird because a lot of, we export a lot, there's a lot of similarity

Yeah

A lot of stuff like that

So often where perhaps an album might not break the US

It will still travel

Yeah, and there's an Australian import

Yeah, Japan is an area where a lot of the British heavy metal bands

Yeah, that was a thing, wasn't there?

Yeah, that was definitely a thing there

Where bands perhaps didn't break the US

But a lot of these albums just didn't break anywhere

No

You know, they didn't seem to

It was like a, I don't know, like a localised, like this hard rock

I'm trying to think of the way to describe it

But like you wouldn't describe Skunk and Nancy as hard rock

No

I don't know what you would describe Wild Hearts as

This is a weird, this is a weird thing where it kind of sits in like pop and rock

Yeah

And there's like bits of metal in there, bits of rock in there, bits of

Against this background in '93

Yeah

Of grunge, I guess

Yeah, totally

You know, hair metal's kind of done a, you know, it's done one

Hair metal's kind of disappeared

I say disappeared, there were some amazing hair metal records that were released around this time

That nobody ever heard

Yeah

Because we were a band, there were four people in the band

Say, like the drummer, liked AC/DC

Which is kind of easy to play, I suppose, for a drummer

The guitarist liked the likes of Motorhead

The bass player liked the likes of KISS

And I liked the likes of, like David Bowie, Elton John

So when you put all those things together

You sort of got a sound that wasn't one thing

It was inspired by lots of things

And it was like mixing ingredients that had been around for a long time

But a new cake coming out of the oven

Um, it was sweeter in parts and sour in others

Um, chewy in bits

And, um, yeah, that's, that's just the way it came out

We didn't want a particular

We weren't good enough to be a covers band

Because we couldn't work out other people's tunes

And so while we were trying to work out someone else's tune

We probably ended up writing our own

And thinking, oh, sod it, we'll just do this one instead

And, yeah, and then, but all everybody heard in 1993 was Nirvana, I guess

Yeah, yeah, yeah

Um, and so against the background of that

These albums

They made a big splash in the UK

This particular album was number 75 in the charts

Yeah

In the UK charts

Yeah

And that was considered good

Um, but like, we're normally over here in the UK

We would've had the top 40

Yeah

So, I mean, this didn't dent

Didn't touch it, yeah, yeah, no

Didn't touch it

Interestingly, um, uh, this was released twice

Yeah

In '92 and '93

That's a common thing, yeah

The last couple have done this, haven't they, where

Did this have more tracks on it, one of those sort of things, or?

A little bit, yeah

So, the first, the first version of it was released in December 1992

Yeah

And it's called the Total Vegas Edition

Right

And they released it on their own record label before

I think, was it EMI that picked them up?

I'm just looking at my notes

Should have been ready for this

Yeah, EMI

Picked them up eventually and signed them

And then it was reissued in, in May

So like the formal release was kind of May, 3rd of May '93

Yeah

But it, but they sped it out before that on their own label

Yeah

Yeah

Um, but where it gets interesting, I think, is that, that initial Total Vegas edition

Uh, there were a thousand CDs

Yeah

And 500 vinyls

Yeah

It was all kind of done, you know, on a budget by them

24 page, um, like photo book in there

Yeah, yeah

About, about life on the road with them

Like, you know, kind of, um, you know, the pictures I've got of you guys

Yeah

Like, backstage and other bits and pieces

Yeah

Like that, it's just full of pictures of people

Yeah, candid stuff, people lounging about, people mucking about

Um, it's like, there's like 24, uh, a 24 page booklet of that

Um, the bit that I find fascinating, I just looked on Discogs, how much a copy of that is selling for

The last one sold for 550 pounds

Of that original

Wow

Of an album that got to number 75 in the charts and no one's heard of

Yeah, yeah

And you're like, what?

What's going on there, yeah

It's mad, isn't it?

Yeah, yeah, yeah

The EMI versions sell for like 25 quid

The usual sort of

30 quid, something like that

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

Um, but yeah, mad

Even, even like the cassettes are going

If you, if you can find anything of that Total Vegas, the CDs or the vinyl

They're worth tons of cash

It's become really valuable to people

Collectors almost

They're weird collectors, aren't they?

My friend, my friend, a Doctor Who collector

Yeah, okay

They're weird

Yeah

They're really weird

Do you know what I mean?

Like, like properly

Yeah

Do you know what I mean?

So anal about things

Yeah

And it's, and it's all about like the, of the barcodes on things

And, um, like there'll be an order of things

And there'll be a, there'll be a slight change in a production run or something

Yeah, yeah, yeah

And they've got to get that particular

Yeah, yeah, yeah

And you can't tell the difference

I mean, it looks identical

Yeah

You've got to have, got to have all of them

This particular thing

Yeah, I think collecting's weird

Yeah

Yeah

Says the man who collects vinyl

It's different

I sent, I sent you a meme, didn't I?

You did

Yeah, yeah

What do you like the best about vinyl?

Yeah

It's the, uh, the inconvenience and the expense

Yeah, and it is that, so it is

The thing I, do you know the thing I like about it?

And holding that Wasp record this morning, does it for me?

Yeah

Yeah

It's sitting there holding the thing

I took the record out, put it on

And then it starts to spin up and you get all that nostalgia of, of like the, remembering the first time that you did it

I remember where I was and how, you know, and hearing the album, that Wasp album, The Headless Children was the first album that I think I pre-ordered

Yeah

So I went to the record shop, paid my lap, whatever it was, like six or seven quid or whatever albums cost back then

And then Martin and Martin's records in Ashby went, yeah, alright, I'll tell you when it's here

Wow, yeah, yeah

Yeah, yeah

You know, not, oh, it's here on the blah, blah, blah day

It was like, yeah, well, we're expecting it in a few weeks, I'll give you a ring

And that was it, then, you know, we didn't have an answer phone or anything like that

And so, you know

Just keep popping in

Yeah

At some point it'll show up

But that was the first one

But, but you, you take it out and then you, you've just got this physical thing in your hands that you can

I don't know, it just feels

There's just, there's something about that

Yeah, yeah

It's nice

Yeah, I'm not bothered really about it

Yeah, you're not, are you?

No

I like, I like having the ones of the ones that I really like

Yeah

But I haven't really got a record player or anything, I'm not really, I don't really listen to them

I just

You just put them on the wall or something, don't you?

Yeah, I just like having them, you know, the ones that I like

I want, I want your copy of "What Happened To The Get To Know You"

Yes

That was one of, I really like that record that you did, it's really cool

And I wasn't around to get a copy of it when it first, when you first did it

And I didn't, actually, it's on your website now, I should go and

I should just go and buy it like somebody normal

Like a proper friend would do

Yeah, I'll support you

I'll support you

I sort you out

I sort you out

I sort you out

Instead, no it's me going, "Can I have it for free?"

Because I'm useless

But yeah, I

See, I didn't find television until later

No, no me

So this album was like something that, you know, I've had to go and listen to

To kind of learn it and get used to it

And there's a couple of tracks that I really, really like on it

But I kind of like them when they did like "Alice, What's the Matter?"

And "Whaels and Dolphins", "Perseverance", you know, those sort of things

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

I really loved all that

But by the time they got to "Tequila", that wasn't really

I was like, "Oh, that's funny, but it's not really my thing now"

I like the really grungy stuff that they did

They did go quite grungy

This album, I think, is really interesting in the tone of it and the production of it

Yeah, it was Gil Norton, isn't it?

Oh, okay, right

So, kind of

So Gil Norton did some of it

But the production credit is Pat Grogan

Right, okay

Now, I can't find much about Pat Grogan at all

In, like, stuff that he has done previously

Or post this

So, I don't know whether anybody

I'm sure people will know

The usual crew will write and tell me

"You idiot"

Of course he did these massive albums

But I couldn't find much about Pat Grogan

Yeah

Gil Norton did

Gil Norton did

"New Policy, One, My House and Human Being"

But he did "Mixing"

He didn't do production

He did "Mixing" on them

And, of course, then he went on to do

Massive stuff, yeah

Yes, he did "The Pixies"

But he did all kinds of

I created a list somewhere

I've got two sets of notes

Which is really confusing for me

Oh, Gil Norton

So, "Echo and the Bunnymen"

Wow

"Pixies", "The Colour and the Shape"

"The Foo Fighters", "Counting Crows", "Recovering the Satellites"

Yeah, that's the one

It was that "Colour and the Shape" and "Recovering the Satellites"

They're the two for me

Really sort of quintessentially Gil Norton's production

He did "Echo Park"

Did he?

So, we talked about that last week

Yeah, so he did "Book Rogers" and "Just a Day From There"

"Foo Fighters", "Echo Silence", "Patience and Grace"

Which I quite liked

Yeah, he did "AFI" as well

So, yeah, he did all kinds of interesting stuff

But didn't produce this one

No

He was just mixing

I wonder

It doesn't explain why

Just those three

I think they were the three

Were they the three singles?

I'm just looking

I should have probably prepared this before

I started rather than

Having you listen to read my own notes

But I

Yeah, I wonder if they were the singles

Would make sense

That like EMI went

You know, these sound a bit crappy lads

Let's go and get

Yeah, it would make sense

So, yeah, I don't know

But there is an interesting production style to this

I think

It sounds

I don't know

It is

You wouldn't get confused between this and a US rock album

No, yeah, yeah, yeah

I totally hear that

I know exactly what you mean

You kind of know it's not

Like some of the British albums

Started to

Start to veer across

And sound pretty big and thick and American

Yeah

You know that

I don't know what they do with the guitars

But they

There's just certain

It feels like a certain weight to the US

Yes

Stuff that's kind of

It's

More punchy

Yeah

More compressed

Whereas the

A lot of the British production was just

I think it's a little bit cleaner and clearer

But it didn't have the same

Kind of

It wasn't like a wave of sound

No, yeah

Like slamming you

Do you

I think you can tell

Yeah

That that's there

This sounds quite

I don't know like energetic and punky

Yes

In places

You know what I mean

It's kind of

It's like a

It's not a lazy album

No

It's kind of up and on its feet

And it's

It's moving

Or even the slower songs are kind of up and on their feet

Yeah

They're kind of quite energetic I think

Yeah, yeah, yeah

So

Yeah, yeah, yeah

It's quite a cool

I like the production on this album

It sounds

Yeah

Authentic

You know what I mean

It sounds authentic

It doesn't

It's

I mean we've talked about this in the past

I

I'm not a big fan of those albums that sound

Like a

You know

Someone in a suit

Yes

Has given their opinion on it

Do you know what I mean

Yeah

I kind of

This just feels like

This is the band

This is the lads

This is the

Yeah

The guys coming together and doing it

Yeah

These decisions were all taken in the studio

Yeah

At like three in the morning probably

Yeah

Yeah, yeah, yeah

Do you know what I mean

Yeah

And there's a certain authenticity about that

That I quite like

I mean yeah

It probably could have been produced better

It could have been made

I mean

Because it's quite quiet

It's

You kind of have to wind your volume up a little bit more

Than you think you probably should do for this record

Yeah, to get to it

In places

Yeah, yeah, yeah

But yeah

There's something

I think as you go through the 90s

That gets knocked off a little bit

And the start

Like by the time you get to

What's the story Mourning Glory

Yeah

Which was what was that

90

Was it 5, 5, 6

Yeah, 6 I think

Yeah

But by the time you get there

I think

Albums that came after that

Yeah

The compressors were being wound up

Yeah, totally

And it was

You know what I mean

It was like

How can we saturate the CD

Yeah

And nothing was released on vinyl

No

Like get albums that were released

Like 96, 7, 8, 9

They're really difficult to get on vinyl usually

So you've just got your CD dynamic range

Effectively

Yeah

But just slammed

It's like

You know

As you can

You can see

I think if you took records

That were released in probably 92

Yeah

Compared them to 98

You wouldn't need to listen to them

You could just see them in the waveform

Yeah

It's just that square block

Of music

But

And it was all done for radio

It was all done

To make them sound good on Radio 1

Yeah

Yeah

So when you release that big single

You know

When you

Like when you release The Wonderwall

Yeah

It sounds mega

It sounds like detailed

And it's got this punch to it

Which in itself is compressed on the way out

I don't know if you knew that

No I didn't

BBC Radio 1

Yeah

Is compressed

On the way out to broadcast

So if you do that

So it's got a sound to it

It's got

I wonder if

Like a lot of it is

A sort of saturated sound to it

When they moved to digital

Yeah

A lot of them moved to 128 kilobits

Right

Like down

Yeah

So like digital radio

Before that

FM radio

When it was

Like digital

But it wasn't

What are they called

It's a DAB

Yeah

There's the different types of digital radio

Yeah

So the old frequency modulated

The FM stuff

It was much higher quality

Yeah

Than when they moved to

When they moved to digital

They down sampled it

So I wonder if a lot of it

Was to do with

You know we do with that

Possibly

Yeah

Masking it almost

Yeah

If you can't

You know you're going to reduce

The sample rate

Yeah

You compress it a bit

So it sounds a bit more punchy

Yeah

I bet

It's bound to have been a

Yeah there's definitely a factor there

Wasn't there

A bunch of that in there

But it's interesting to me

That this

This one is one

Again

One that

It doesn't

It doesn't feel over compressed to me

It doesn't feel like it's been

Wound up too much

And I quite like that

Yeah

Bit punky

He was born diseased

With a twisted mind

His hands

His feet

His elbows tied

Sleeps by the day

And in the night

He cries

The bastard son

Of a travelling man

Conceived and born

In a caravan

Lives where he couldn't

Comes out when he can

The bastard son of a rock star

Played by an actor

Get him

Make a phone

Because he died

In a black star

Hurt to booze

Drugs and sex

Wrecking mufflers

And they got him

Make all the rats

Like a tantrum

Trying it on

To get his picture

In the news

Chocolate

But he's put

The same place

That he's put

You're trying to

Be the outside

Call

This is the land

Of the free

Tuning in

To 6-15

We always learn

But we'll never need

An American team

Be circumcified

Our liberty

Fight the fight

To succeed

Living out

The American dream

An American team

We bump into

A

U-S-M-A

Always search

For the American way

Take a ride

Out of the camp

We can't

Go to go again

All time

Let's salute

All time

For the man

On the moon

Now I'm too soon

Now the ocean's bright

But it's better

And I'm fine

Washing them

To Tennessee

We put the boys

In the day

This is the land

Of the free

Tuning in

To 6-15

We'll always learn

Pulling out my knees

On American TV

Such a fight

Out of liberty

Fight the fight

To succeed

We're living out

The American dream

On American TV

I'm moved out

By the country

But we'll fly

And we'll fight

For our glory

Uh-oh

He was born disease

With a twisted mind

His hands

His feet

Is almost tied

Sweep by the dam

And the night

He cries

To the end of the day

To the end of the day

To the end of the day

He's been born to be a man

He's been born to be a man

He's been born to be a man

He's been born to be a man

He's been born to be a man

He's been born to be a man

He's been born to be a man

He's been born to be a man

He's been born to be a man

He's been born to be a man

He's been born to be a man

He's been born to be a man

He's been born to be a man

He's been born to be a man

He's been born to be a man

He's been born to be a man

He's been born to be a man

I'm a rock star

Played by an actor

Got a microphone

Because he died

And a black guy

Bustin' blues

Drugs and sex

Make him a pandemic

Got a bank on the rules

This is the land of the free

Tuning in to 650

Well I was one fool

I would never need

An American team

Be such a fight

I will live out a day

Fight the fight

To succeed

Living out the American dream

America TV

America TV

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What's that quote from there?

I'd buy that for a dollar

It's an American TV show

Yeah

Where I

I don't know

No

I know it's from an American TV show

But I don't know

I don't know what

I don't know what it's from

It would make sense

But the song title

But the song title would be in American TV

Wouldn't it

That would make sense

Talking about TV

This was released in 1993

What were the top UK TV shows

UK TV shows

What do you think the British

The esteemed British population

What if you believe everything you read on social media

Won World Wars

World War I and World War II

And did all of the things

It was all to do with British people

What were we watching

Do you know what we were watching

Soldier Soldier

No

Casualty

Yes but not

Yes but yeah but no

Heartbeat

Gladiators

The biggest

Was EastEnders

Okay yeah

21.8 million

Yeah oh soaps of course

Coronation Street

Coronation Street

Yeah

One foot in the grave

One foot in the grave

Victor Meldrew

Yeah

Neighbours

I was going to say

Home and Away or Neighbours

Yeah

We had a thing in our house

Where like religiously

This was a thing that happened

Yeah

Is we would always eat

Yeah

When Neighbours was on

That was a thing

So it would be five

About five

It would be CBBC

Or whatever it is

And then there'd be Newsround

Which is the bit at the end of

Like all the cool cartoons and everything

And programmes

Yeah

Then Newsround where it all gets a bit boring

Yeah

And then it would be Neighbours

After that

Oh

And join Neighbours

That was when dinner happened

Well

Every single day

How did they

How did they find time

To create so many

How did they not run out of things

To do

Yeah

Anyway so you had that Neighbours

The Bill

Yeah the Bill

I like the Bill

Only Fools and Horses

See all of these

All had wicked

Theme tunes

They did

You can

Like the bit you remember

In your head now

As you're saying these things

Is the theme tune

Birds of a Feather

Birds of a Feather

Yeah

Inspector Morse

Yeah

Emmerdale

Right

Yeah that was

That was like a bit of a golden age

Wasn't it for British content

Bit mad isn't it

I think

Inspector Morse

I never watched those

No

No

Now then

I'm going to compare that

To the United States

Okay

So people sometimes ask

Why you

Why did the US

Take over the world

Right

So this is what we got

From the US

So you think back

You remember the

EastEnders

And the stuff that we got

Right

They gave us

The Simpsons

Right

Baywatch

Right

Yeah

X-Files

X-Files

It was in the US in 93

We didn't get the X-Files

Until 94

But that was in 93

I loved it

I went back

And watched all of that

From the beginning

Did you

And I've watched it

Probably three times

Beginning to end

All the way through

It was always Tombs

That I remember

Oh that's the very first show

The very first show is Tombs

Is it

When he kind of squeezes

Yeah yeah yeah

I just love that

I want my kids to watch it

But Liz apparently tells me

That there is

That there's something

About them being scared

And not being able to sleep

Another one that you will love

Yeah

Quantum Leap

Quantum Leap

Star Trek

I used to watch that a lot

Star Trek Next Generation

Star Trek TNG

Cheers

Roseanne

Seinfeld

Fresh Prince of Bel-Air

Yeah what huge programs

All these were

Murder She Wrote

Yeah

That's

I didn't know that was US

Angela Lansbury

Yeah she doesn't sound

Very American does she

No

Not necessarily in that one

Beverly Hills 90210

Yeah

Safe by the Bell

Twin Peaks

The Golden Girls

Now

Other stuff

Like Home Improvement as well

Yeah I remember that

Was there

Melrose Place

Yeah I remember that

But I have to be honest

When you're comparing

Like EastEnders

Against X-Files

EastEnders

Not going to win

Is it

No of course it's not

It's just not

No

So I

It's interesting

The song

American TV

That we've just listened to

Is about

The consumerism

And stuff in

Yeah

Yeah

From American TV shows

But they were just better

Yeah

I mean Star Trek

I mean Star Trek

Star Trek was

TNG

TNG was just

Mad

I loved that

It was so good

Star Trek

TNG

X-Files

Star Trek

TNG

And Quantum Leap

Yeah what else do you want

I mean

You might as well delete

Everything else

Bit of Baywatch

And off you go

Yeah

Dead good

Anyway I thought I'd just talk about that bit

Yeah that's a very good thing to talk about

What are you watching at the minute

We've not done a bit about what you're watching at the minute

Andor

Oh are you

I watched the first couple of Andor

And then

There were no more Andor

Oh you don't like that do you

I had to wait

You can't wait

Because I had to wait like two weeks

I forgot about it

Yeah

And now

I'm like I can't go back now

Until I've forgotten the first ones

Yes

And then watch it all again

To watch

So I don't

And that makes me really grumpy

Yeah yeah

You see I can put things down

And then come back six months later

Can you

Yeah

I can't do that

I can't

And that's why at the beginning

Where they do the little recaps

Do you like that

I was like oh okay

Yeah yeah

I'm watching Murderbot at the minute

Yeah you've said that to me

That I need to watch that

Lots and lots and lots of times I haven't

I really like Murderbot

It's really funny

Yeah

But that's weekly

Right

And that's really annoying

Yeah

They're only 20 minute episodes

Right okay

And it's made me really angry

That I have to wait a week

Just put them all on

Don't

You've clearly already done them

You're not

People aren't working on this

It's done

Just get it on there

It's not like EastEnders

Yeah

Just bash them out

Yeah

Dickheads

Anyway so I don't like

I don't like that very much

And you have to wait for things

Yeah

Yeah

But loads of new stuff's coming

Isn't it

Silo

Yeah

Silo's on its way again

I love Silo

What was the one that was on

Oh Foundation

Foundation

The three body problem is back

Yeah yeah

As well

In not too long

A time

So

And that's like

I have to say

Yeah

It's quite experimental stuff

Isn't it

Yeah

Like foundation's hard

It's not

It's about mathematics

Yeah it's not bubblegum

It's not

None of it's bubblegum

Three body problem

No

It's not bubblegum

It's not

It's not

You have to really think

And watch it

Do you know what I love

About this stuff is

That the

There aren't many things

I'm an expert in

Right

But like maths and code

And that kind of stuff

I'm quite good at

Yeah

And what I love about

Social media

Especially Facebook

Is much worse than this

From the other platforms

But whenever anything

Like that happens

Yeah

Everybody becomes an expert

Yeah

Do you know what I mean

Yeah

And this kind of

This kind of layman stuff

And you hear people

Talking about like

Abstract science

Or abstract maths

In like layman's terms

Yeah

As if they're an expert

Yes

And you just think

No no no no

You look very silly

No

It's just

Stop

Stop with the

Expert things

If you didn't

If you didn't cry

At 3 o'clock in the morning

When you were 27

Because you'd got a maths exam

The next morning

You don't have the right

To go and

Tell people how to do that

I remember

Like literally crying

Tears on my own

In the dark

Because I got a maths exam

The next morning

It was too hard

It was just too hard

I just couldn't do it

And I've been doing this

For like 15 years

And I can't do it

I've just failed miserably

And then got into

University the next morning

And we

Our blog

They put us

With the art students

And you can imagine

Like an oil and water mix

Of mathematics students

And art students

And we got

For the vast majority

Of the year

We got on really well

But exam times

Were like

Do you know what I mean

This was like

We were like

I don't know

Like pressure cookers

We were ready to burst

With the pressure

And then

And I remember

Sitting there

And I was saying

And I'm in the morning

Chatting to my mate

Going like

I'm just out

Right

There's no way

I'm going to make it

Through this year

And then the art students

Turned up

And one of them

Behind us

Was getting ready

And she'd glued

Pieces of silver foil

Yeah

To a piece of board

Yeah

And that was

That was what she was doing

And I just remember

Just thinking

What am I doing

What

Tell me how

Yeah

And she was like

She was described

How she spent a week

A week

Sticking the silver foil

On it

And you know

And you're just like

Totally crushed

God

I just don't believe this

So anyway

If you didn't do that

Don't go on social media

Talking like an expert

There you go

Because we'll just

Sigh at you

The ones that did

We just go

Oh dear

And we do judge

Yeah

We do judge

A lot

And especially

When people can't do maths

I judge them a lot

I don't

Do you know

My friend judges people

Like really badly

About their grammar

Right

You know spelling and grammar

Yeah yeah yeah

I think oh I don't care

Yeah

Yeah yeah

You just think

Oh I don't care

Yeah

But if you get maths wrong

I do really get upset

I'm like

Why

Why did you do that

Anyway

That's me being grumpy

About things

We didn't

We've talked about

Being grumpy

About backpacks

Yeah

We've done that

I didn't like backpacks

Last week

Lindsay said that she got upset

Because she was wearing a backpack

When she was listening to us

And I said that I didn't like backpacks

Did she take it after you

She go oh no

I don't know

But Lindsay

You're allowed to backpack

I think it's a certain amount of times a year

You can do three backpacks a year

Is that what it is

I think so

Is that like some kind of rule

Yeah yeah yeah

I just don't like

It's when

It's not having the backpack

It's like when you're on the tube

Like if I've got to go and work in London

I'm already really angry

Because I'm

It means I'm not really

I mean I've been dragged out of my house

Yeah

And I like doing that on my terms

Not being made to do it

And then you get there

And people got

You've just got somebody's backpack in your face

You're like what was that all about

You see I was very mindful of this

I was at a thing in Manchester for work

Earlier in the week

And I had a big backpack

Because I was staying away for a night

It wasn't like staying away

It was like a Duke of Edinburgh backpack

Yeah

It wasn't like staying away so long

That I needed a suitcase

Or something like that

Yeah that's really hard

Yeah so I had a bit

I've got a backpack that I've got

For my motorbike

When I go out on that

Yeah

And I use that one

But it's like

It's a bit bigger than a normal backpack

It's not quite Duke of Edinburgh backpack

Yeah

But it's like somewhere in the middle

Yeah

And I felt very very conscious

Of people going

Why is that

Why is it in my face

Why is he not put that

In the baggage storage area

And why is he bringing this

Into the room with him

I also had a laptop case as well

Oh wow

So it was like

There's two things

I could get away with one

Yeah you've got all the things

But because I had two

There was definitely some judgement

That was happening

Do you know the other thing

That I've decided I don't like

What's that

Is you know these massive Stanley cups

Why does everyone need

Why does everyone need

Five litres of water

Yeah I don't understand it

What is that all about

No I don't get it at all

I don't

I think I survived

Until I was 20

Before drinking water

What is in these cups

What is in

I think it's a status symbol

Oh

I think it is

I think one year

Someone had one on Love Island

Honestly I'm not joking

I think one year

Someone had one of those things

On Love Island

Yeah

And then they've just got

Progressively bigger

It's like

Of this particular style

Of Stanley Cup thing

Do you have

I bet

It's all girls isn't it

Yeah

Do boys have them

Or is it just a girl thing

I think it's just a girl

But no boys have them

Because it's the gym thing

Isn't it

It's like gym bros

Oh is it

Yeah

And they've got

They're like bulkier

Yeah

And you hold

You know like massive

Bottles of squash

Yeah

Where you have like a handle

That's inside the plastic

Yeah

Almost

Yeah

Yeah yeah

No I know exactly what you mean

That's what they're like

You can get bleach like that as well

Yeah yeah yeah exactly

They're like that

That's my favourite style

Of bleach bottle

If you're buying bleach

I always want one with that

I always want one with a nice handle

Yeah yeah yeah yeah

So what do the boys put in them

Like protein shakes

No no there's just water

Oh is it

Yeah yeah yeah

Yeah

And they definitely hold it

Like it's a thing

Like a state

I just

I just think that people

Will look back

Yeah

On this particular era

Yeah

And say

What was that

I don't like it at all

No

No

Don't like it

No

Terrorvision

Oh right yeah

I forgot about that

If you listen to this

Sorry

We've just had ten minutes

Of

Ten minutes

Half an hour of me

Whinging about the world

We are 40 minutes in

Which is pretty good

We are 40 minutes in

Pretty good for me

What are your favourite songs

Oh

On this record

Because I've got two

Very clear favourites

I like

American TV

Is one that I think

Is absolutely brilliant

And I like

New Policy 1 as well

Yeah

They're probably my

Two favourites

That's kind of

I'll sometimes

Skip to them

Oh okay

Which

A skippy skip

Yeah well you kind of

I don't know

Yeah

See mine were

Killing Time

Oh

And Desolation Town

In particular

Desolation Town

That's quite

Song

It's quite nice

Songy ones

I like the songy ones

Yeah

It's quite a nice

Like you think of

Terrorvision as being

This kind of big

Brash

Funny

Yeah

But actually

There's some really

Clever songwriting on here

And the hooks

Are

Yeah

There's some really

Like big

Big hooks I think

On this album

Well

I think as the albums

Go on

I think they learned

How to

Embolden them

Perseverance

And even Tequila

You know

I know that

That's kind of

A bit of fun

A bit later

But

That was a big hit

For a reason

And that's because

That guy can write

A top line

And that's the bit

I got from

From this whole record

Is like

This guy knows

How to write top lines

Yeah

Yeah

No

Agreed

Agreed

It's a very

It's a kind of

Upbeat

Fun

Yeah

Record

Some of the lyrics

Are not

Yeah

But you don't realise

That until

You know what I mean

You're kind of

Buied along by the album

A little bit

It's kind of one of those

That makes you feel a bit

A bit better

You know

It's an album you put on

If you're not having

A brilliant day

This is a record

That you like

Yeah

Gonna cheer me up

A little bit

It's a funny thing

Because it takes you

A lifetime to write a song

Because

You get a song

And it lasts three minutes

But it's taken you

However many years

It's

You've aged

In that

Lifetime

To get to that song

And you use

Subconsciously

Everything that you've

Picked up

On that journey

So

Even though

You might sit down

And think

Well I wrote that song

In two minutes

It's taken a lot

More than that

It's taken

The experience

That triggers

The

The

Sort of sentiment

Behind the song

It's taken years

Of listening to stuff

And picking out

The bits that you like

And I always think

That songs

Are something

That float around

Above everybody

And every so often

A song will tap you

On the shoulder

And if you look up

And listen

You'll hear that song

You don't really write it

It makes itself

Known to you

And if you go

And listen

And you open your ears

Or open your eyes

And listen to that song

Then it's your song

If you

If you don't listen

Or if you ignore it

It'll float on by

And someone else

Will get tapped

On the shoulder

By it

And then that song

You'll think

Oh that's good

But you think it's good

Because you kind of

Heard it before

But it was a song

That maybe tapped you

On the shoulder

And you just didn't

Take the opportunity

When it arose

So

It can be everything

From a band

That you hear playing

To

Two people talking

On a bus

In front of you

And it might be

Weeks later

That you just

Remember that line

I wrote a song

Took me two minutes

To write it

Sitting down

With the guitar

Because I read

A phrase on Facebook

And when I

When I read the phrase

Everything else

Became clear

I wrote the whole song

After it

Took me two minutes

And it's a three minute song

How does that work?

10pm

In a cold and lonely

Hotel room

I think of you

All the time

My car was broke

The same year

Hundreds died

My mum just cried

When I told her

So good to see you again

Take my hand

Take my hand and go

I'm going down

I'm going down

To desolation town

I'm going down

To desolation town

I'm going down to the end of the night

I'm going down to the end of the night

I'll call me down to the end of the night

I'm going down to the end of the night

I'm going down to the night

I'm going down to the night

Broke my bones

I'm going down to the end of the night

I'm going down to the night

I'm going down to the end of the night

I'm going down to the night

Take my hand and go

I'm going down to the end of the night

I'm going down to the end of the night

I'm going down to the end of the night

I'm going down to the end of the night

To desolation town

I'm going down to desolation town

I'm going down to desolation town

I'm going down to desolation town

Another thing about Terror Vision

that I didn't realise

is quite how Yorkshire they are

Bradford, is it Bradford?

Yeah, there's like

I don't know

if you have a dial of Yorkshire

they're right up there in the 9 or the 10

you know, they're well

and I like it how

you hear the accent in the singing

Yeah

You really can

not in every song

but in some songs

you know, it's really inflected with the accent

There are a few bands like that

aren't there?

Biffy Cairo

where you can hear the accent

whereas others like

The Almighty

it doesn't come

even in the slower songs

his accent

Ricky Warwick's accent

doesn't really come across

it does in this

you're right

you can kind of hear it

you can hear the Bradford

in it

and there's something

I don't know

there's just something

again, all authentic

Yeah, it really is

and quite cool

and quite cool about it

I think

But the other thing is

it sounds like they're mates

Yeah

That sounds so strange

but you know

like certain bands

where he lives like

when we listen to Pink Floyd

Yeah

I don't know about you

but I can hear that

they're not getting on

Yeah

They're not together

they're all doing their own thing

really well

but it's not really

all together

It's kind of layers

over the top

But with this

you can sort of feel

that they're all

in that same space

in the studio

doing this thing together

There is

there is that

yeah

there is definitely

that vibe to it

We're all good mates

and to be together

in a very closed environment

for that many years

you have different mates

at different times

different best mates

at different times

I suppose

I hung out with

Mark the guitarist

the most

so I'd say

we're probably

my best mate

but I get on with

all of them

they're all my best mates

it's good

and I suppose

at times

you're the worst enemies

as well

because you can't

get away from each other

because you're on the tour bus

and it's a very small space

I think it's interesting

where there are some albums

that you can kind of hear

I don't think this is

in a positive or negative way

I think you can get

really great records

where the band don't get on

and you can get

really terrible records

where the band

will really get on

but I think it's interesting

like you said

that you can kind of feel it

and I guess it depends

on the type of music

and songs and stuff

but yeah

absolutely

the band just feel

like they

yeah

I mean

I guess normal band politics

right

they love each other

some days

and not others

yeah totally

yeah yeah yeah

should we do some facts

let's do some facts

I've got some interesting facts

on this one

I'm going to go

I should have had my notes ready

and I've not got my notes ready

so I'm going to start

with my notes

so I'm reading this

from our blog

on riffology.co

if you want to follow along

lovely little plug

the band

were not always called

formaldehyde

were not always called

terror vision

sorry

they had a name first

didn't they

yeah they did

they were called

the spoiled brats

and then they felt

that they needed

that that wasn't going

to work long term

for them

so then they came up

with terror vision

which is taken from

a movie about aliens

coming in your television

set

television is the name

of a

television is the name

of a

old

old film

it's about aliens

coming down through

your satellite tv

you can get special

protectors for your dish

to stop them

from the horse's mouth

there

from the horse's

mouth

got two release

dates

yes

3rd of may

1993

on emi

but the original

one was december

92

called the total

vegas limited

release

so when you're out

there at your car

boots and you're

looking at things

if you see this one

it's got a different

cover

and it's got a

little booklet

inside as well

so were they

terror vision at that

point

yeah

no there was still

still terror vision

but yeah

it was released

on the total

vegas label

as well

on that first

total vegas

album there were

14 tracks

and emi cut it

down to 12

emi

emi

a man in a suit

made that decision

recorded at the chapel

in lincolnshire

i don't think we've

talked about that much

i don't know much

about it

produced by pat grogan

who we've also talked

about i don't know

much about pat grogan

i don't know enough

to to know what

else he did and i

couldn't find much

about him so um

yeah interesting um

some interesting quotes

from the band the

bassist lee mark

loot said when we

were recording

formaldehyde there

was no plan b

it's either this or

nothing

wow

which i think is

naivety confidence

or whatever you want

to call it but um

but you're giving it

your all aren't you

yeah yeah yeah

you are totally

committed

yeah exactly yeah

it's not it's not a

hobby uh you are

absolutely doing it

um uh the band

from bradford

um originally called

the spoiled brats

uh influences by

stuff like faith

no more red hot

chili peppers

um the uh the band

had kind of built

like a local got quite

a big local following

um and you know

it was kind of uh

yeah uh started to

grow based on that

you know that i think

they're like their

pub these songs work

really well in pubs

yeah where people

kind of sing along

and and and have a

have a have a big

giggle with them and

i think they built up

quite a big uh big

following from there

before emi um uh emi

noticed them um band

members that uh they

had some guesting on

this album as well but

you had like tony

right uh vocals and

wrote uh pretty much

all the lyrics i think

mark yates was uh

guitars uh lee marclue

uh was bass and then

uh david shuttoweth on

drums and then gavin

wright was the violin

uh on killing time and

hole for a soul um and

nick roberts does the

harmonica on uh

desolation town

absolutely love that

harmonica it's good

yeah i love it i love

the sound of that that

sort of slightly

crunchy dirty harmonica

kind of wouldn't have

expected it in a

terravision album no but

i think it works really

well i think it's very

very cool um i can't

play harmonica okay

why no you can play

everything no i i just

kind of as vision if

somebody walked in here

with like some kind of

weird aboriginal string

you'd just be able to

pick it up and go yeah

i'll play it i can't play

anything that you blow or

bow oh that's my rule

anything that you blow a

bow rubbish that's

interesting that is i'd be

interested to see whether i

can do uh bagpipes and um

because although you blow

into that you you're not

blown that's not what's

making the sound you just

what's your favorite

song with bagpipes on

it i like cut that

corn one oh yeah oh

what's the acd one acdc

oh yeah yeah i can't

remember now oh my

brain's gone yeah he did

that download he brought

out he's like the old

uh bagpipes corn man

jonathan davis he always

does doesn't he yeah he

likes it i've asked

chat gpt i've literally

just said acdc song with

bagpipes it's a long way

to the top oh it's in

yeah cool that's my

favorite uh song with

bagpipes um i've forgotten

where i got to where did i

get to uh harmonica

different different band

members oh yeah yeah yeah

got it yeah yeah yeah got

it um and so and uh in the

bit of this part of my notes

the we're talking about the

original um vinyl pressing so

there's only 500 of those um

uh the artwork was by the

photography um david obadiah

um and that's a made of name

it is isn't it it's not a real

name no no no his mom and dad

never said oh we'll call him

we'll call him david

um anyway uh they uh yeah so

that that uh that's there there's

a quote in there who i wanted to

go to this part um owen obadiah

that's a nice name owen obadiah

it just rolls off owen yeah

owen it'd have to be welsh

owen everybody everybody who's

called owen yes is welsh

yeah yeah yeah i like that yeah

sorry i interrupted you um oh

yeah so there's a lovely quote

here it said uh we decided we

wanted to put this 24 page

photo book into it because no one

buys records for the music

anymore wow 1993 1993 isn't that

interesting yeah really really

interesting that uh i guess steady

decline almost in this uh perception

of the value of uh the music of

music itself yeah um the the band

were incredibly hands-on with the

music they get credited for

production and stuff in there but um

they didn't just turn up and play

and go away yeah they were kind of

incredibly hands-on with um uh you

with with the creation of of the

stuff um there's another

interesting thing here as well it

was mastered using something called

direct metal mastering okay now i had

to look this up so normally when you

master it's like an aluminium disc and

then there's lacquer on the top yeah

and then you you kind of uh it's like

etched into the top of that yeah and

then it's kind of hardened and then

the actual master discs are made from

there that are used to stamp out the

the vinyl the vinyl yeah yeah uh

direct metal mastering is like this

kind of copper covered disc that it's

actually uh cut into it's kind of

group get cut into and it's a lot

harder and you don't get this uh

distortion from that entry stamped um

so it's better yeah uh but people

uh back in the day didn't like it

because they said it sounded too

clinical wow and they like the

harmonic distortion which is the same

thing people argued about for cd so cd

sounded too clinical because it's not

got the same why people still like

valve guitar amps and all the all that

stuff yeah it's like the sound of that

warmth and the distortion yeah yeah

weird isn't it but i know i i thought

that was an interesting tidbit um there's

an interesting device um when we were

doing circularity and we were in nick

nick bryan we were we were going

through the like the mix so when you do

a mix you obviously mix all the

different instruments together yeah and

then you'd bus it so you'd normally

have groups of like say drum group

vocal group guitar group whatever and

then at the end of that you'd have a

mix bus yeah this is your kind of like

stereo audio left and right being able

to pan and and all those yeah yeah and

on that you tend to have something on

your chain something some kind of

processing going on on that and what

nick had the the i think someone like

loaned him or lent him it for a bit

it was something called a a thermionic

culture vulture i've heard of these yeah

yeah um and it's an amazing piece of

analog gear yeah you put things through

and it applies a particular kind of

distortion distortion in a particular way

the analog yeah queens of the stone age

yeah uh were a big fan of of putting

lots of things through that to get this

kind of particular sound and he had one

and we did the thing where we you know

we closed our eyes and he sort of say

you know which do you prefer i've only

done it subtly it's not like loads but

yeah which version of this kind of sound

do you prefer yeah and he obviously had

it as a real piece of hardware it wasn't

plugging it was a real real thing and

everyone's closed their eyes and went

yeah it's got to have it with it it's

got to have it with it so so the final

how interesting is that before it went to

mastering yeah yeah this um of this

record circularity that we did has um

because that thermionic culture vulture i

always think this is really if you listen

to audiophiles talk they always talk

about you know the purity

um without realizing that there's no

such concept of purity if you listened

to how it sounded in the studio you

wouldn't like it no it doesn't sound

good no you're not you're not um you

know that's not what you're doing your

expensive hi-fi is doing um and it totally

makes sense to me that there are certain

frequencies that we prefer and we like

in certain frequencies that we that we

don't like no no um and harmonics and

things like that and so yeah i totally

i totally get that i think you know the

the the digital chain from end to end

is you know clinically precise and

exactly what was recorded yeah but the

reality is that's not what you actually

want to hear no you know and and you

can see that like if you look at live

music for example yeah there's so many

this matter if you look if you look

carefully the next time you're a live

gig you'll see racks and racks of

hardware yeah yeah and and there'll be a

sound engineer somewhere and it's all

being processed yes it's either going

through analog stuff it's going through

digital yeah and do dsp it isn't super

clever tech around now it is but it's

not what it's not what's coming out of

the instrument no no no it's something

that and it's made to make it more

pleasing to your to your ears so um yeah

don't buy into the the nonsense i'd love

to see what um billy joe armfrung's vocal

chain is like okay because he just see us

through the mix but yeah but we had a

particular yeah yeah frequency range and

dynamic you know in a it's really

interesting it's kind of like it doesn't

sit where you'd expect a vocal to sit

okay you know it is it's interesting to

listen to there's a there's an album i

want to do next which we'll talk about in a

bit yeah um and there's a fantastic story

where it was recorded twice yeah and the

second time they brought their live sound

yeah guy into the studio and he produced

it yeah because they wanted it to sound

like the live thing yeah and i just think

that's it was really fascinating to me the

first version went into a studio and just

sounded really flat it was sounding it was

very pure but you know everything was done

layer after layer after layer like i guess

like a pink floyd record would get done

but this was a rock and roll band and they it

didn't work so then they the record

company to fund it again yeah this is a

debut album yeah if anyone knows what i'm

talking about by the way this is it was a

debut album um no one had heard of them

yeah and the record company was so

convinced they were going to be mega

stars they completely re-recorded the

album again um but this time with the

sound guy and that's the one we heard

we'll talk about that in a bit because i

think there's a lot of it there's some

cool stories for that album yeah um well

god where did i get it oh yeah so the

albums formaldehyde was um 93

uh recorded by uh produced by pat grogan

um and then we had how to make friends

and influence people which was uh gill

norton regular urban survivors by gill

norton um and then we had a bunch of

stuff where you could yeah so shaving

peaches in 98 uh good to go super deluxe

and we are not robots in 24 prolific

weren't they yeah big records or self

produced um uh didn't get any awards

from aldehyde no so it didn't get any

awards at all um uh the single my house

yeah uh became a top 30 hit in the uk

charts but it was the only one really

that that charted yeah um other stuff

released in 93 what do you think i don't

know loads of big american grinch stuff

yeah in utero nirvana siamese dream

honey versus from pearl jam yeah um automatic

for the people that's such a good record

get a grip by aerosmith we should do rem we

should definitely do i'd love to do that

yeah and there's a love

somebody somebody was sharing a meme this

week we've got president trump yeah and

rem saying can you tell it is this president

trump singing or or and they sound the same

they sound like so similar and i'm like no

way so that's it that president trump uh used

to sing for rem um get a grip by aerosmith as

well um and zuropa by u2 i'd gone i i can't

i like the first couple of u2 albums yeah yeah i

like um i like the one with van diemen's land on

whichever one that one was gone off by this

point um yeah so lots of big heavy i mean

lots of big big thick stuff so you kind of

think you're fighting against all of that

stuff it's i don't know it's no wonder

really yeah yeah yeah we've talked about

that um yeah in in the past um lots of short

songs yeah yeah which is good we talked

about that i like the short songs um i mean

you could squash the whole album into one

song couldn't you yes for this which would

be good 45 minutes long um touring the big

big tour for them was with motors motorhead

television movement they went on tour with

motorhead that was bananas lee markley said

it was chaos

just can't imagine i just cannot even imagine

that if somebody somewhere was a tour manager

for that

can you imagine that yeah yeah yeah it'd be

like some 25 year old yeah and and the

label or you know live nation or somebody

will go yeah do you know can you go and do

this oh motorhead that and then terror and

they're all right and then three weeks into

the tour they're like quitting and needing

counselling and stuff but that is again if

you survived that you could do anything

yeah that would be absolutely bonkers i think

there'd be an exam in that one though

yeah it's kind of like the it's like the

practical you know observation you've done the

theory you've done the theory of school and

college and now the practical is you've got

to do this with motorhead

mad absolutely mad that is um five things

about it we've already covered all of them

yeah so it's limited original release

um the uh hidden bonus material that first

pressing included this 24 page photo book

called the tv guide which is pretty cool

i've never seen it um but uh i've seen

pictures of it um had guest musicians on there

so i had gavin right that one made it 500

quid do you think oh that's interesting no i

think because it's so rare okay but 500

copies of it um you have an album like that

it's just it's just pretty rare um album was

mastered using direct metal mastering which is

pretty rare german thing um and the mixing

was done by gill norton he went on to do or did

work with the pixies and and a bunch of

others that we've talked about um no media

and tv usage that i can find they did have

like tequila's used all over the place

yeah but nothing from from this album

um generally speaking the critics really

liked it um there's some weird descriptions

of it all music said upbeat pop fused with

rock funk and thrash there's no thrash

not even close to thrash in this it's kind

of it's a hard rock in there a little bit

of like new wave of british heavy metal in

there but it's it's mostly kind of like pop

hooks and rock it's it's uh yeah it's super

cool i think um uh encyclopedia of popular

music said it was a strong debut from one of

britain's most promising rock bands

yeah so yeah there was it was well received

then

yeah i thought it was really interesting uh

that kind of stuff and that's the end of the

facts for uh for this album i will say

you know it was difficult to find facts about

this record there's not that much their

wikipedia page is pretty bleak yeah um and

yeah there's not much about it no no as

with last week it's hard to find interviews

you know some of these bands where we've

done them in the past there've been loads

of interviews we can choose from from that

era yeah yeah but these ones i think

they're not quite they it feels like the

these last to this one and and and last

week uh polythene they feel very local yeah

do you know what i mean it feels like

they're albums that you kind of like i

wouldn't expect somebody from the u.s to

have ever heard of terror vision no yeah you

know and um yeah it's like there are some

uh bands like bush you think everybody

everybody on the planet knows who yeah

yeah uh you know everyone on the planet

knows who pink floyd are um but like this

one i kind of think if you like it was almost

like the the epicenter's bradford yes and

every mile you go away from bradford fewer

people have heard of yeah you know i mean

that's kind of where where i kind of how i

feel about this is is that it's um uh it's

quite a it made a big impact here on us

yeah but the broader you go the the less

impactful yeah or the less people have heard

of it i think yeah yeah yeah i certainly but

you know i think by the time they got to

tequila it was a lot broader but this record

particularly i think um probably was um you

know around here well heard of and well

known yeah but probably less i mean probably

down in london i don't even know whether you

know i mean i guess the further well i just

recall i mean but it was after this but but

they were kind of the darlings of things

like tfi friday yeah the big breakfast and

that kind of channel 4 culture these guys

were really a part of that i felt we're

talking about in one of the interviews you

had there was a uh uh the presenter was

talking to him and i swear that was cat

deely and it's made me think where is cat

deely yeah where's she gone she was

everywhere wasn't she yeah she was dead

good and then she just disappeared gone

yeah yeah i don't know aliens there she's

under the pyramids she didn't have her uh

she didn't have her teravision dish did

she no no have you seen have you seen

that there's the uh the um but the the

x-ray thing they did under the pyramids

no have you not seen that i love all this

stuff i know i i knew because we talked

about pyramids before and um uh so

somebody's done it's like they like

bang they're like bang is it lidar lidar

no no it's not like oh it's like a

vibrationy thing okay so they're like

they do a vibration thing and then they

look to see how the ground vibrates yeah

and then they can you can see the

structure it's like a geological thing

and it shows the it shows these bonkers

um like like pillars underneath really

the pyramids yeah i'm well into that i

know you honestly check it out you'll

love it but that's where cat dealie is

she'll come out imprisoned in the

stargate yeah sure in the stargate yeah

it wasn't that a great film i used to

watch that loop

i like the series stargate i didn't