what did we start i've forgotten what song what song did we start well we started with high
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and were you singing the high yes no nothing there was nothing like that no no no i do love
singing high i do it's one of my favorite songs if i go out with an acoustic guitar and play covers
yeah high often features in the set does it whether they like it or not yeah because no
one really knows it i suppose i don't because they're like bright side and brown eyed girl i
think that is the thing with this album i yeah i knew of this album and lots of people that i knew
liked it and i don't think i ever owned it i don't think i ever bought it but listening to it this week
or last week because we're like a little bit late um tuesday it's tuesday so so last time yes last
week it was monday this week is tuesday it is it was steadily we'll get back to sunday eventually
after um but the thing is i've absolutely fallen in love with this record it's so good
there's just something about it it's got um i really love this kind of you i mean as we've
discovered i love this kind of uk yeah the british rock era that kind of british guitar not not the
brit pop stuff but the rocky british stuff right there's just something about it to me it was um
it was different it what it yeah it didn't have the same impact on the world as the kind of big thick
american rock stuff that was that was coming out and the kind of alternative rock and grunge and all
that stuff but i there was just something about it for me just defines the 90s yeah yeah and this
album just sounds like the nine it sounds like yeah it sounds like the uk in the in the yeah it's a
total time warp for me it's phenomenal it was like you know even just just before we you know press
record and flicking through yeah some of the riffs and some of the songs and and i i was back i was
back with my mate martin book yeah in his in his bedroom playing final fantasy it's listening to
this mad isn't it it's and i think you know we've talked about that before with these albums it's i
deleted martin books um saved game 72 hours in oh did he not overwritten it i don't it was it was
showing me final fantasy 7 the original yeah on the playstation yeah and um
and one of the it's one of the worst feelings i've ever had in my life is it yeah it was was
because i played the game and i just started yeah uh and he'd done like 72 hours yeah i over i i know
i never written his game did he forgive you for it he surprisingly quickly all right surprisingly
quickly i don't think he ever has inside no i think that you know there's still some he's still plotting
yeah there's still some resentment probably right now eventually yeah he's gonna come come yeah
yeah yeah i was yeah deliver the vengeance i've been i've been an idiot with him a lot of times
actually by accident that's quite funny yeah sorry i've totally interrupted what you say but that's
how much of a time warp i was in it's it's the these albums are they they put you back into a place
in time and i know i was looking at our stats because we all know i'm a bit of a nerd and the uk numbers
have grown quite a lot over the past six eight weeks or so and the us numbers are dipping a little
bit yeah and it's i just find that's interesting it's fascinating yeah yeah um you know that uh these
these albums just didn't break out of the they are like a little bubble yeah that we lived i mean it
it wasn't that we didn't get the u i mean we had nirvana and we had you know the but it was interesting
because it was like everything's so in reach or or you know it's there now you can just go and get
it when you know and you couldn't back there no no no if you wanted the album you you had to go to the
shop and you had to do all that and these american bands like america at the time this was kind of like
america was the best place in the world and new york was on films and and the whole the whole it was
exciting wasn't it yeah you like you yeah i i it was all nasa and you know spaceships and i knew
people that had never been out of their village yeah and you're in the 90s yeah yeah yeah on the tv
you'd got like these you remember you got like eddie the kid doing his bike stuff where his name is
yeah but you know you everything was just exciting yeah you had like star trek yeah with you the kind
of the deep space nines and all of that stuff was kind of exciting and you had um i remember like even
in computers where i was it was all exciting you had there was always something new like every few
months about the internet well it was yeah this was 97 yeah yeah yeah and people forget but it was like
the so we we would have had like in academics or in the universities we would have had
um janet yeah the janet backbone from about 92 but that was like literally dev and code at a command
line you they weren't web pages no no no you were transferring stuff backwards and forward you might
finger each other is that a poke yeah yeah you might do you know there was all kinds of of of stuff
that you would do but you you were building and writing codes you weren't you know what there weren't
websites there it wasn't until like the mid 90s that you know that stuff started to
to happen that's fascinating which is another fascinating thing about this album there's no
information about it i couldn't find oh i mean i found a little bit i've had a few few bits about
how it was made and where it was made and all that kind of stuff mostly from like discogs and stuff from
the you know cover cover notes and things um but on the album on the album cover oh here we go the
the mystery of the numbers so we've not even said we've not so we've not said who we are
we've not said who the podcast is we've not said who the band is and we've not talked about the album
what are we seven minutes in six minutes so we are riffology i'm neil i'm chris we're doing feeders
polythene thing is right if you i don't know what you'd have turned it off wouldn't you if you were if
you what is this what's going on what is going on i think that's why people like us yes i do as well
i mean if you want i didn't i mean go and put bbc one on put bbc sounds listen to the rock on tours if
you want yeah yeah i mean if you want some production yeah just just you know whatever um but anyway
so um the album cover is bizarre yeah very 90s it reminds me a little bit about alonis morissette
it does a bit isn't it it's very abstract yeah swimmy yep um it's it's cool it's uh um i asked
chat gpt to tell me what was going on and it said somebody was drowning hmm
yeah i don't know well apparently it's it's meant to be somebody wrapped in polythene yeah for
isolation so it's this concept like the concept of the album polythene is this um like ice isolation
so we're i we're all isolated to to some degree um and that's what a lot of the tracks are about and
a lot of stuff it's about but on the album uh so there's the big feeder in white and then it says
polythene underneath it and it's again very 90s like so so like a little p capital oh yeah
yeah a lot of like kind of hacker stuff like that kind of you know um but underneath that are some
numbers what are the numbers because i couldn't make them out earlier like 906 984 53 48 3 i think 58
three or nine something like that yeah um and you said that no one knows the answer of what they mean
no one knows no i asked chat gpt yeah he knows everything yeah absolutely everything um and even
chat gpt said i've no idea mate and then i pushed a little bit to come on you've got there's got to be
like a reddit thread somewhere find me a reddit thread where people are talking about it yeah nothing
nothing and then and then it it told me that there might have been one back in the day when the album
was released what there might have been an answer to the question there might have been a reddit thread
so i stopped looking at that point and so if anyone knows what the numbers mean
i cannot believe that it looks too it's too calculated isn't it it's too yeah design it may
be if i'd spot i only really spotted it this afternoon what if it's a really rubbish thing
what if what what if we create this air of mystery like 42 yeah yeah yeah exactly i love the way
there's so many themes about what the number 42 means and all of these people talking about it
and douglas adams just what i made it up yeah literally i was just sitting in my bedroom i gazed
out over my where where i lived yeah and i thought i need a number um it needs to be absolutely not
important so he said i i just made sure like it wasn't a prime number i made sure it wasn't any
it was a bingo calling a particularly exciting number and and i just picked the first as i
counted up that was the first one that i liked the sound of so and i think it's brilliant and i hope it
isn't i hope i just think it's got to be something so it's got to mean something it's got to mean
something yeah yeah yeah got to mean something yeah anyway i don't know what it means so if you do
let us know um i might message somebody from the i bet the band though don't they of course
they although the album cover the band didn't do it no it was let me get my notes so um the record
labels echo echo bunged them 50 grand to make the record and that's it yes nothing is it i mean for
really for those days not really that would have been nothing in london as well well it was done in
great linford manor yeah yeah isn't that the one is that the led zeppelin one no oh i don't know
skunkinancy did stuff there and it was a very british yeah it was chris chris sheldon's um hangout
okay that was his gaff yeah he did all of his things i did loads of his things there um but anyway so
so echo did it um and bunged them some cash and they also did the album cover they had an in-house
album cover team there we go then and someone did it so it may even be that the band don't know
and uh i don't i don't know but it must have signed it off though they must have sort of said
oh yeah that was cool what are those numbers about oh well we've talked about this with faith no more
yeah it's like whatever whatever just don't care at all they don't care about any of their album
covers the record label did them and the band just didn't oh you sit in the shops for the first time
that's what they did a bit weird but i think yeah for this for this one like you know i said
last week and a couple of weeks ago how the albums were records that i learned the guitar to yeah and
sort of played and and did that sort of thing i think by this point i think i was already quite
proficient on the guitar so i didn't learn these did you know except high because i really liked it
yeah yeah um but i think at this point i was just in i was back to enjoying music again because does that
make sense yeah it does you're not learning you're not studying it anymore you're enjoying it um i think
this album is the debut and uh it's interesting to listen to the albums that came after this one they
sounded uh a lot different this this one's got that um we've talked about this before with that
authentic feel to it this feels like a lot it feels like a live it doesn't feel like anybody like
like you know sat down and agonized over key progressions or yeah yeah yeah yeah feels like an
album that just came out of them it just it flows beautifully it just it feels it feels organic it's got a
um just this lovely kind of um it it's just so easy to listen to yes i mean you just put it on there
and it sucked you in from you know the first few bars and you're still there there's not a bit of
this album that kind of um i i would say it's difficult no i mean it's just yeah yeah it's just a
beautiful but also i think this was this was before they found themselves yeah who they were as well this
was them i think this was them learning to work together yeah starting to write songs like
like oh i like that you know i'm a big fan of the pumpkins i like this sort of riff they're very
because there's some there's some where yeah there's some way you listen to them and you go
that's really close to that to another riff or another song it is yeah well they were called the
british pumpkins aren't they for this album yeah they got that kind of reputation which they didn't
have in the albums that came after i don't think i don't think it sounded the same but you can
definitely hear like there's there's like little echoes of um today on one of them there's quiet on
another one you know from that sort of siamese dream thing and then even there's one on melancholy
called um oh what's it called have you forgotten a smashing pumpkin yeah it's on the i think it's on
the second track on the second record oh dear like literally i can see the look of concentration because
his face right now it's like anyway it's like a man who's lost his keys bodies that's what it's called
um and there's a bit like the one that's quite similar to that as well but you can just but but not in a
copying sense yeah in a sense where it's like that was definitely influential that was obviously
something they really enjoyed yeah i think you nailed it they're influences aren't they it doesn't
feel like there's a like malice here trying to copy something no and it's because there are like bits
of it in there's bits of pumpkins but the songs don't know do you know what i mean it's the songs
go in different places no absolutely but there are patches in there where you like you say you just
think oh that sounds yeah yeah that's quite close yeah it's obviously you know from that gene pool or
he's taking a you know a a kind of um the other thing with that though is that sometimes things
sit in the subconscious yeah you know like and then and they come through through creativity you know
because you like it so who was the um he was the ginger guitar player this is gonna this is gonna be
quite funny the ginger guitar there's a ginger guitar player plays the guitar yeah it's ginger ed sheeran
he went to court didn't he yes he did and said basically like he said like all pop music it's just four
chords yeah and you can't you know that there is the the likelihood of you writing
like totally unique music that's got no relevance or no uh you know similarity to stuff that somebody's
written in the history of music is like unheard of you know and it's not malicious you're not trying
to copy that's just you know just what it is you know nobody in today's world i mean i'm sure i think
you said this in the court case but did in today's world nobody's going to go out there and and purposely
copy your stuff but it happens yeah you know and you that's just the way it is but so i don't think it
was that with with this i think like you said it was just them um their influences coming out and just
them trying to do what they what they do well we met uh we went where was it just by camden tube station
because i was living on camden road and uh tucker put an ad in loot but i remember the loot that
was some ads paper base pair available so i called him up i thought it doesn't sound very english i
didn't know where he's from uh likes like what was it you said like chili peppers like james addiction
i thought it sounds interesting so we met in camden over a cup of tea it doesn't sound very rock and roll
i thought that we are going into pub or something yeah let's have a cup of tea and it all went from
there he's rehearsing that old in that arch didn't we then he came across but this one's kind of it's
easy but because yes three piece you know grant's got all these songs you could play guitar john was a
great drummer i just just fitting you know i used to play music when i was in japan and but i didn't really
expect uh to play bass guitar again but just i was in port barrel market i met uh these guys one of them
and a dj and another guy was a singer and do you play any music because i had long hair and blah blah blah
so yeah i used to play bass guitar so we went to second hand shop in nottingham gate and i just was
you know such an amazing scene wasn't it you know the splash club and the bar fly and everything you know
that's where we started off really
i know it's sad
life's just a piece of food
i know it's sad
life's just a piece of food
touchdown
new ground
stop living on the moon
i know it's sad
life's just a piece of food
touchdown
new ground
stop living on the moon
i know it's sad
life's just a piece of food
touchdown
new ground
stop living on the moon
i know it's sad
life's just a piece of food
touchdown
new ground
stop living on the moon
i know it's sad
life's just a piece of food
i know it's sad
life's just a piece of food
i know it's sad
life's just a piece of food
life's just a piece of food
life's just a piece of food
life's just a piece of food
life's just a piece of food
life's just a piece of food
So catch me as I fall away.
Tangerine, Tangerine, Tangerine, Tangerine.
I know it's sad, life's just a piece of fruit. Touchdown, new ground, stop living on the moon. I know it's sad, life's just a piece of fruit. Touchdown, new ground, stop living on the moon.
I know it's sad, life's just a piece of fruit. Touchdown, new ground, stop living on the moon. I know it's sad, life's just a piece of fruit. Touchdown, new ground, stop living on the moon. I know it's sad.
So the albums after this one just got bigger and bigger though, I think. Do you know what I mean?
And so this one felt like you said, like they were learning how to be a band and they were learning how to work with each other.
And it's full of hooks and it's, I don't know, it's like a, although it's kind of quite fuzzy and gritty in places, it's quite pretty and sweet sounding album.
And then, then the albums that kind of came after, they just figured out how to write these like, just huge.
Like Buck Rogers, weren't it?
Yeah, these kind of pop, they're pop hooks, they're rock songs.
Yeah.
But they're, they've got these, they're like, there are a few, very few bands I think that can do it.
Like Green Day do it really well.
And, um, the Struts do it really well.
There's quite a few bands like that, I think, that have got.
Yeah, songs like that, Just The Way I'm Feeling, Buck Rogers.
All those sort of, Just The Day, massive, massive songs.
Massive, anthemic hits.
They take zero seconds to get under your skin.
Do you know what I mean?
Like within the first bar of that track, you know that's going to be a banger.
Yeah.
And it's kind of got this energy and upbeat-ness to it that kind of just gets under your skin.
I think they're nearly all written by Grant Nicholas, the tracks.
And then, I think I was reading that they, although that's where, so he'll do the initial
writing and then the arrangement of the track is then done with everybody.
So they'll move, move stuff on.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But there's, yeah, there's, you can hear on this record on Polythene, you can hear where
they were going to go next.
Yeah, totally.
There's, there's little snippets of it, isn't there?
But even saying that, it was almost like they, they must have gone there very shortly after
releasing this album for the first time because High didn't feature on it, did it?
No, I didn't.
Yeah.
So, and again, somebody will tell us, probably Kendall will tell us about this that I've messed
up.
But the, I think this was released without High on it.
And, but High was a single.
It was the last single, I think, of this album.
And they re-released it a year later with High in it.
But it wasn't like tagged on, it's not like Linkin Park, just stick another four tracks
at the end of the album and re-release it as a deluxe edition.
Yes, yeah, yeah.
They, this got dumped in at like, or whatever, track four or five or whatever.
I can't, I'm going to have to look on my sheet.
Yeah, four, track four.
And it's interesting because I think it changes, it really changes the flow of the record in
a positive way.
And we were talking about this a little bit before we started to record, but it's an album,
right?
This is, and I know these are all albums, but this feels like a curated, it feels like the
beginning and ends of the songs have been designed to like compliment each other.
Whereas we did Everything Must Go last week on the Manic Street Preaches, which I really liked,
but it doesn't, and it's got like, there's a few like Judas Priest records and Iron Maiden
records and things that I love, but they're, they're quite disjointed.
I, you know, they're not, they're a collection of songs.
You could jumble them up and it wouldn't make any difference to the album's flow.
And I thought that Manic Street Preaches record was the same for me.
You could, I could jumble that album up and it would, it wouldn't make it any worse or
better than, than, than it is, is for me as it is right now.
This flows, this has got this, um, like connection.
If you, if you started to muck around with the song order, I'm not sure it would have
the same impact on me.
I tend to listen to this all the way through.
I put it on and I've been, I've been listening to it this week while I've been cooking and
stuff.
So I like, you know, go into the kitchen, I'll ask Alexa to play it and she'll just play
end to end and I'll just sit in, you know, while I'm faffing about, I'll just listen to
the whole record.
And at no point do I think, oh, I don't like this bit or I want to skip this bit.
And it all kind of ebbs and flows together, if that makes sense.
Um, and I think for me that this is what makes me fall in love with albums.
This, this thing where they're, they're, there are different tracks, but the whole thing kind
of stitches to get in.
And this one, I do, I get the feeling like somebody has produced, I get the feeling somebody sat
down and gone, well, this track will go with that track.
And this really thought that through.
Yeah.
And I think you don't seem to get that as much these days.
No.
And the one for me is about like when we did circularity, you know, the record itself, that
was very, very curated.
Yeah.
The order in which you.
That was very like painstakingly, even to the point where, you know, if we ever put the
vinyl out.
Yeah.
That, that, that songs fade into each other.
Oh, cause you did do it.
Yeah.
You did do the whole mastering for that, didn't you?
For the vinyl and then never did the vinyl.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't, you know, I don't even know where, where that would live anymore.
Or the files or anything.
I've got them.
Have you?
Yeah.
The audio files.
Yeah.
Oh, I've got, I've got, you sent me the webs.
Yes.
You sent me the.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The four sides.
Yeah.
Because it would have been done with the vinyl.
I have to go and double check, but I think you sent me all of them.
I think I've probably still got them.
Yeah.
There we go then.
That's that.
I'll sell them back to you.
But yeah, they were really, that was really like thought through, you know, where things faded
out, how they went into each other, all that sort of stuff.
And I think it's really important.
I think, I think, you know, if you're going to put an album out, it has to be a piece
of art.
But no one does.
No one does.
I say no one does.
It's really generalizing.
But I think this consumption, like Leah, my eldest, he absolutely loves even an Arcadia
a new Sleep Token record.
And he, like, he will listen to, he's an album person, right?
So, I mean, he's like.
He'll go through it.
Yeah.
You know, he loves, he loves, he loves all kind of weird stuff, but kind of, it's really
funny listening to him talk to his friends and his friends, like, you know, the pop music,
essentially the kind of pop music and Leo's like, I like bring me the horizon and do you
know what I mean?
And he, he, he likes architects and he likes this kind of, we just, I guess what they think
is super weird.
Right.
And I'm sure a lot of it comes from me that he's heard around the house, but their albums
that he's got in, you know, and like, he's got the relationship with the record.
Sleep Token is, you know, the, the law around Vessel and the whole thing is kind of, he's
really bought into that and he's absolutely, yeah, absolutely loves it.
They've done a great job.
Yeah, they have.
They've done a really good job.
But if I compare that to what's happening to like most of his peers, it's singles.
Yeah.
And they dive into one song.
Maybe a playlist, maybe, but, but they're not albums and they're not, you know, they're
not, but like Leo sees me buying, like, like sees me buying stuff.
I think, I think he thinks I'm an addict, if I'm honest.
I don't think that's the question, is it?
The Prong, that's how Earache re-released the first four Prong albums and I just bought them
on the start.
No, sorry.
I didn't even look when they were released or anything.
I just, just bought them.
I did the same with Carcass as well.
But when, like when an album comes through the post, whether that's an old one, I re-bought
an old Wasp album a few weeks back and it's just, it's, it's a thing and it comes, do you
know what I mean?
It comes through and I kind of, I put it on my, in my, in my rack with records.
And then there'll be a point during the day where, you know, when you just think I can
listen to music now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that's it.
You take it out, take it out of the sleeve and I'll see it even, you know, the last one
was the Headless Children from Wasp that I, that I got and just sat reading the, yeah,
back cover and you put the album on and, you know, you're not skipping, you're not, you
know, bouncing around and it's, you know, for those old albums, it's just taking you back
to that point in time.
Like for me, it takes me back to that point in time when I first put the album on in 1989.
And I don't know, it's, I kind of feel a little bit of that's lost now that, you know,
the, so the kids are not going to experience it, but you know, it's, it's not quite the same
when you're just listening to singles.
No, it almost, it's, it's, it's that attention grabbing, everything's got to be TikTok or,
you know, everything's got to be, everything's got to be a hook.
Everything's got to be instant.
Everything's got to be in your face, you know, that kind of thing.
And it does, it takes the bit that I love that I spoke about when we did the Wild Hearts
piece, you know, where it's like to do with the song craft and the way a song develops over
four, five, six, seven minutes even.
And the journey that's taken through that, um, and you're not going to get that on a TikTok.
You're not going to, you're not going to explore that on an Instagram reel.
You know what I mean?
And, and, and it's, it's, it's, it's affecting the way that people write songs, you know, in
the end that they don't travel, in my opinion, they don't, they don't journey.
Most of the album tracks are missing.
You know, we talk about the big singles and then there's, there's album tracks on there
where you kind of go back to, um, I've been listening to a lot of the Slayerback catalogue
this week and, um, it's phenomenal.
They, they had some big singles, but it's the album tracks that stand out for me today,
going back like 30 and 40 years back.
It's the album tracks.
It's the tracks that were, there were never released as singles, probably don't get played
that much in the live show.
But they're the ones you, they're the ones you land on, aren't they?
Yeah.
They're the ones that stick with you.
Well, it changes a little bit, doesn't it?
Your favourites change as you go through, um, you know, as the, as your tastes change and
stuff as well.
But, but yeah, I think, um, I, I interviewed Michael Amart from, uh, Arch Enemy played guitar
in, uh, Carcass as well.
And he, he was a massive album fan, but it's fascinating.
Uh, he, his, like, I guess the way he described it was, he said, I, I'm of a generation that
I love albums.
Yes.
And I'm not saying that's better or worse than not loving albums, but that's what I love.
I, I, you know, for me, I buy an album and I, that's what I, I love everything about
it, I love the artwork, I love the stuff on the back cover, I love the stories behind
how it was made and the, you know, the choices that the band has made to, to do that.
He said, but I'm incredibly aware that, um, especially with Arch Enemy, he said our fan
base, since, uh, Alicia joined the band, um, our fan base is a lot younger.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they're not those people, they're not, they've got a different perspective.
So he said, it's, it's been, uh, you know, he said, luckily we've got a really great company
that help us.
I'm sure lots of bands do this today where you're, you know, you're, say pandering, but
you're, you, you're, the product you're producing is not for you, do you know, it's for a different
audience.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so he was saying that you have to do that.
You have to go and cater to the, both of these audiences, which I guess is, is tough for a
lot of bands now.
I wouldn't do it.
No, you can't have it.
No.
You're not allowed to listen to it.
Oh, can you just, honestly, can you, oh, can you just, you're not allowed to listen to it.
Can you just put a little thing on that?
No.
You're not allowed, you're not listening to it.
No.
We'll have to drop you from the label then.
Good.
Good.
Labels don't add a lot of value to most bands.
These, I, I, I've seen a few bands that, that, uh, got excited.
You see them online and getting excited about getting signed by a label.
You think it's not really happen.
No, it doesn't do a great, it doesn't seem, it's not the same as it used to be.
It's not where labels had 20 acts and then put a million quid behind each one of them.
They've got a million acts and put 20 quid behind each one of them.
And if one of them does well, great.
And if it doesn't, but that isn't that the way it feels like it.
I mean, I'm sure that's probably a gross oversimplification.
But there's no, but there's no money in record.
That's the thing.
There's very little money in making records anywhere.
You can't sell them at 15 quid a pop.
No, that's true.
This one, so, uh, Polythene, um, it was gold eventually, which I think is 300,000.
Which is interesting because you said it was only 65 in the charts when it first came out.
Yeah, it didn't chart at all.
So when it came out, it didn't chart.
It was only, uh, so the singles did okay.
So some of the singles did, did okay.
High really landed well.
Um, it wasn't until the albums that came, uh, after this, that it started to,
um, that they started to get a foothold.
And then I think this similarly to, um, Temple of the Dog.
Yeah.
You know, we talked about Temple of the Dog.
Like Temple of the Dog, uh, was an album that didn't sell really.
And then, and then as, um, Pearl Jam started to get really popular, then people discovered,
uh, Temple of the Dog and then you went and, uh, um, and bought it.
Um, but this one was a bit similar in that it didn't, didn't do particularly well when
it came out.
It didn't chart.
It never charted really.
Um, but still went gold.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think because of that enduring, you know, people discover those big singles that came
out in kind of the later nineties, um, you know, Buck Rogers and all of that stuff.
Yeah.
And then, and then kind of came back and discovered this album.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And oh, yeah.
I see what you're saying.
I mean, we, to be fair, we've had that quite recently with riding the low where we've had
people that have obviously found us through like, we've played a download and all those
sort of things and, and they've ordered the whole back catalog.
No way.
In hard copy.
You're not just, you know, not just gone and streamed it.
They've done that as well, but you know, ordered, ordered the full set of everything because
they want to, they want to get into it, which is incredible really.
It is, isn't it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I like that though.
It's really, there's something really reassuring about when people say the music industry is
dead, you know, you, I just think it, I don't know.
It's one of those things where you can almost like choose your own adventure now.
It feels like to me that it's quite liberating in my mind.
Yeah.
And I guess the barrier to entry so low, you can just record like in the, in the room we're
sitting in right now, we could just go and we could go and record.
Yeah.
And it would sound all right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so, um, I think it's quite liberating, but, um, yeah, I, I, I don't know, I kind of
think back to those days.
I think that there's golden days, aren't they?
When you discovered, you were discovering music and it was all a little bit special.
Yes.
Um, uh, but yeah, it's, um, I don't know.
I, I, I, I, I don't think that you keep hearing there's no good music now.
And I don't think that's true.
No.
It's just different.
Yeah.
I mean, I remember being told there was no good music when, you know, in, in the, in the
late eighties and early nineties.
It's definitely a generational thing, isn't it?
Yeah.
Everyone was saying, oh, that's rubbish.
You want, you know, get some of this down.
Yeah.
You know, listen to your Iron Maiden.
Yeah.
And, and, and like, because that was what they were listening to when they were 14, 15, 16,
whatever.
Yeah.
And that's what we did.
We, when we were kids, we would listen to that, the, the kind of older, like there was the new
wave of British heavy metal, but then you had the American thrash metal and then death metal
and all of that.
So we, we, we, I, I kind of felt that we just listened to all of that and it was, it
was pretty cool.
Yeah.
You could go and listen to, you know, Black Sabbath or, or Anthrax and that was cool.
You know, and that was pretty good.
And I guess it's easy to, I don't know, judge, isn't it?
You know, when, when the kids are listening to Sabrina Carpenter, apparently that's, that's
who, that's who the kids at school listen to.
Yeah.
And that's it.
That's the one.
Leo says that they're all into Sabrina Carpenter.
Yeah.
He doesn't like, he doesn't like it.
No.
No.
No.
Doesn't like that.
No.
Likes a sleep token.
But isn't that good?
Isn't that good that there's a gateway?
Cause it is, isn't it?
I mean, there's loads of, you know, all those, all those huge fans of downloads who are the
download's biggest critic.
Oh God.
No one hates heavy metal, like heavy metal fans.
Do they?
No.
It's phenomenal.
I, I don't, I left the download, you know, the download groups on Facebook.
I left them.
I just, I was getting so excited.
Sad.
People just being miserable.
Yeah.
But it's only on there.
Yeah.
You see everyone at the festival.
At the festival.
They're having the best time.
Best time in their life.
Yeah.
At the festival, everybody's like having the best time, aren't they?
And then, but on, on Facebook, it's, you'd think that they've been asked to go to the
front lines and fight for, you know, fight.
It's just awful.
It's like, the worst one was Diane Tward.
Do you remember when they, that was horrific?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Heavy metal fans didn't like that very much at all.
No.
But, um, seeing them do, do download and there was still people, you know, going like, oh,
they're not metal, they're pop music, you know, and all that.
And it's like, yeah, but they're bringing a whole generation of kids into, into your world.
Well, what about Prodigy?
Yeah, exactly.
They were back on tour again.
Prodigy had just come back out on tour again.
Yeah, playing, playing with them at, um, uh, 2000 Trees.
Are you?
They're on, they're on, on the same day we're on.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Nice.
Yeah.
No, no, no, no, no.
No, Kendall calling, not 2000 Trees.
Kendall.
Sorry, Kendall calling.
When's Kendall?
How long is it?
Um, August, first weekend in August, usually.
Oh, you've got a bit of time then.
Yeah.
Practice, practice me, uh, gizbutt.
But it's true though, that you had like Pendulum, you had, um.
Yeah, yeah.
Had all kinds of like these crossover bands.
Yeah.
Prodigy are more metal than most metal bands, aren't they?
Well, they get going.
They're punk rock, I think.
Yeah, no, it is punk.
Yeah, it's proper punk energy.
I read a brilliant quote today saying the most punk rock thing you can do today in, in this,
in this current world is to be kind to people.
Yeah, it's probably true.
Because you're so, like, the world is so, um, you're, you're, everything's driven by clicks
and anger and making people rage about something.
Yeah.
And, like, you know, punk rock was kind of railing against the 70s hippies.
Yeah.
Where everyone was being nice to each other.
Yeah.
And it's the opposite way around now.
And it's like, I just thought it was just such a kind of, do you know when you kind of,
when you think, no.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Actually, yeah.
Maybe.
Yeah.
So, yeah.
If you want to be punk rock, be nice to people.
Weird, isn't it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Very good.
Should we do next?
Let's play a song.
Let's play a song.
Let's play a song.
Let's play a song.
Let's play a song.
Let's play a song.
Let's play a song.
Let's play a song.
Let's play a song.
Let's play a song.
The thing is, you can't do that now because you've got bloody plugins doing it.
Oh, you've got your pedals or you've got whatever else.
So, you can't get feedback?
No.
Well, you can't.
You have to really turn it up, though.
Do you?
Yeah.
Yeah.
To get what you want.
To slam the pickups into the cabs.
so yeah the way i think i'm going to do it live yeah is this is going geeky now you have to do
you're going to have to do it with you're going to have to do it with yourself you're going to
down the mic yeah so i've got a kemper right but dan told me there's you love your kemper i do love
the kemper i've got this um two rock bloomfield pro like sound in it like this this is a particular
amp that i absolutely love it it's the best sounding amp in the world i've got like really
nice distortion pedals on it proper fuzzy one and like and then like a tube screamer and then
um there's a thing you can do with like marshals or certain particular amps where you've got an
effects loop yeah and what you do is when you plug your say you plug your kemper into it or whatever
you've got might be a quad cortex or one of these sort of things whatever you've got and then you
plug it into the effects loop yeah it bypasses the the amp but you still get the grunt and you still
get the sounds with the speaker yeah so i'm thinking might be able to get some feedback yeah if i've got
the gen the main outs going out of the kemper left and right yeah and then like this thing behind me
doing the grunty bit it might give me some feedback oh where do you practice this where do you do you like
on the stage so you literally do it
do you know one of my one of the and i still it makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck a little
bit but seeing slayer over the years when they do south of heaven yeah they kind of just hang on to this
note yeah yeah yeah oh it's the best thing in the world but it's like so i remember seeing them at
some tiny gigs and then seeing them in an arena thinking slayer's not going to work in an arena
yeah yeah yeah and honestly it was just this i just like you know there's the hairs on the back of
your neck just like this is the best thing ever yeah it's just so cool yeah yeah the other thing that
you think about is just how cool that will be like kerry king does it yeah and big pointy guitar
just stand there yeah massive pointy guitar chains everywhere just hanging on to one note and letting
it ring out like over the yeah and the the other thing that i love is watching um scott ian from
anthrax yeah he's a phenomenal rhythm guitar player yeah yeah but he does these like really slow hooky
riffs yeah and when they do it live often what he'll do is he'll do it slowly yes so it's like
you know what i mean and it's just this chuggy and you can it's but it's you know 20 000 people
in an arena just completely transfixed as you're just going and you just imagine what that must feel
like yeah yeah power behind you and you've got a whole crowd with you you've got massive stack of
cabs behind you just but that's the thing i was messaging the lads about this like when we
watched spirit box who were phenomenal incredible band nothing on the stage no nothing nothing just
the three of them yeah and their and their instrument like bass guitar vocal and drum kit
no no nothing well yeah probably had a bit of that they must have had some in terms of like
yeah but behind them yeah on the stage yeah like just empty space and then they had like really
amazing visuals which did the visual candy stuff right so not the acd because acd so used to have
empty cabs didn't yeah that's right yeah that's quite common like like marshall or whoever will
supply you know you know these these these these empty cabs and then they'd have like a combo behind
it mic'd up you know yeah yeah yeah that was quite common um but with with this like i didn't really
like it i'm like i want to see i want to see some amps doesn't feel yeah it doesn't feel quite right
it's all from the line arrays isn't it yeah yeah no and it's that you know they're a great band i'm not
just you know i'm not there's no disrespect anyway intended but just as a taste thing
it was i'm like i kind of want to see do you remember seeing spirit box the first there was
the first time they played in this tiny little tent and we went we got there early yeah we were in
there and then all the children came in these young kids just appeared with like blue hair and looking
really cool and we were just steadily backing away and then you went oh i need to go to the toilet now
we didn't talk about the toilets last week oh no tell me about the toilets at the download yeah
brilliant were they better better than ever yeah better than ever keep threatening to get i found
somebody who is a toilet a festival toilet expert yeah yeah and i just you know i really want to
interview them yeah she's amazing she's been in sunday times all these guys she talks about uh download
she talks about um she does uh toilet design yeah for these big festivals uh and there's all these
mathematical models to it depending on the weather who's playing yeah um like uh she was talking that
um like certain festivals but people will drink more than others so some it's kind of more uh more drugs
more yeah so this is more drink and then depending on what the weather is like and you know all this
other stuff um and you can and the male and female split as well and you can make all these predictions
and then they have uh uh these models which tell them how many of the different types of toilets to
yeah yeah where to place all that's all that yeah and how often they're going to need emptying and all
and i just i just i don't know you know that nerdy brain it's like that is just how how do you get into
that how do you do you mean how do you yeah yeah yeah because she was geography student and how do you get
from that into toilet expert i yeah i love that and and the history of it she was talking about the
history of toilets yeah uh festival toilets yeah saying what it used to be yeah and then what it's
like now yeah um i know they were they were wonderful toilets were they were like the urinals in particular
i mean you know the normal ones which are normal ones you know yeah but the urinals you were in the
vip area there were no no not for some of it oh no for the vip area there's like proper proper
toilets you just slum it into the yeah
i'll tell you what i did off air
but yeah the the the normal toilets yeah were fantastic lovely yeah it's nice did you know
where they all were yeah yeah i did have a mental map and then you're like yeah yeah but i didn't drink a
lot you see so so it was okay i only needed once or twice really yeah yeah yeah that's pretty good
yeah yeah because normally well we normally you're driving yeah that's true oh you have to drive yeah
yeah yeah yeah so i've so i was like so but i remember bloodstock bloodstock was like oh yeah you
i was having a party with myself you were weeing all the time weren't you you were a lot of a lot of
weeing we met connor's dad didn't we remember yeah he was amazing i like him he was good he was he was
good lad wasn't he yeah lots of people actually yeah it was good loads of people there that um
we didn't see that that kind of came up after yeah message afterwards oh i didn't know you were
going to be there which is which is very on brand for both of us yeah just like turn up drift in not
turn up late hide at the back and then and then disappear do you know what i mean i didn't see you
there it's so bad isn't it yeah go into these things and they're not um yeah definitely um
back to feeder we should do some facts shouldn't we oh facts yeah i'll put my glasses on hang on
we were hoping we're gonna do a shorter show yeah that's gone well hasn't it we're at 50
minutes now uh right so i'm reading off of the blog yeah riffology.co if you like that kind of thing
and you like reading about blogs and that uh there's some stuff on there from us um this album's called
polythene title is about being isolated yeah i see i didn't know it makes the total sense but i didn't
realize that yeah it's really interesting is this there's this this concept of kind of um we can see
each other but we're isolated so yeah all about that um released on 18th may 1997 someone's going
to tell me that's wrong and i don't care but that's what wikipedia says um it's described as
alternative rock and post grunge yeah post grunge post grunge means it's got synthesizers in it
yeah and i'm not sure it has but there you go it's got synthesizers in it um uh runtime 50 minutes
tracks 13 on the uk cd yeah the reissued one recorded in a few different places the vast majority was
uh great linford manor yeah uh and the townhouse in london recorded by i think possibly one of my
favorite producers that i've discovered that i didn't know until i saw this was uh chris sheldon
yeah um who yeah he's done some of my all-time favorite records that's interesting isn't it it's
down there's down to a producer perhaps which is it's phenomenal and i love this album i mean i really
do love this album and i'd not really given it the time of you know enough time to listen to previously
so um it's definitely a top tip isn't it if you if there's an album that you love look and see who
produced it and look and see what other albums they worked on yeah definitely the chances are that
you might find you might find a um so what others did he do because i thought that's on our blog as
well isn't it uh it is i'm gonna have a look i'm scrolling down he did um guns swagger yeah
therapy trouble gum which we did a few weeks ago yeah yeah he did uh hard cold fire which is therapy's
new record uh uh my vitriol fine lines biffy chiro's black and sky but black and sky i was just
it's good isn't it it's really good 2002 um ocean size um and then reuben as well yeah yeah which
which reuben one did he do uh he did a few very fast very dangerous 2005 yeah um so yeah and he did
the ep did the feeder swim ep as well yes so he's done all kinds of stuff but he's done like just tons
of cool stuff basically um um all right let me get through it and and read my read my bits and pieces
here so um released in um uh 97 as we talked about um band as grant nicholas who did vocals guitars and
was the primary songwriter john lee uh and taka heroes um on bass uh the album was financed by echo the
band's label um the rumor is that it was less than 50 000 pounds which is not a great deal to record uh
an album and to not at that time no most studios were over a thousand pounds a day yeah that's true
that's very true and then um the album uh title polythene uh i mentioned it's this this concept of
being uh isolated but protected at the same time so you're protected and isolated um
so you bubble yeah exactly um the cover art was designed by echo's in-house album art team
um uh which uh yeah again it's quite interesting so they wanted the artwork to reflect the feeling of
being sealed off and not quite part of the world um it's interesting if someone depicted drowning and
then they've also got the swim thing as well so there's something going on there around that thing
it is it's a bit weird it's it's it's kind of quite um stark isn't it though yeah the album uh the the
artwork i quite like it it's very 90s yeah it's a very very 90s look which i think is quite uh quite
cool um was recorded analog which is weird for 97 it is because yeah things were getting yeah it was
analog and bounced yeah okay um so i'm sure it wasn't done just on on uh on tape um pedals
add you big muff yes and your boss ds1 which uh that there's bits of this record where they're using
the that fuzzy guitar sound yeah i love that really it reminds me of napalm death yeah i love napalm
that's definitely the big muff thing yeah really really cool um commercial performance of this album
uh it reached number 65 on the uk albums chart uh which is it's a gold record that's quite surprising
isn't it it is it's incredibly rare apparently for a gold album eventually not to have charted yes
because they say if it's out of the top 40 they kind of refer to it saying it's not charted really
yeah um and then um singles from the album so tangerine i think that's one of my favorite tracks
i love i love the video to that one they're kind of in this like broken down house and there's like
oranges in the in the kick drum and yeah there's somebody in a bath full of oranges it's very it's a
very 90s yeah um kind of chaotic yeah yeah yeah video um high is another one always is looking
through the fish tank yes video to that way it's kind of you're like the cameras on the other side
of the fish tank and you're looking through it yeah and it's just kind of uh um singing it's very yeah
very kind of image um oriented lyrics in that actually yeah all of it is all of it's about a
trip in it it's quite cool it's kind of the band kind of just wandering around as well just doing
stuff but it was like um yeah i don't know there's just something it's very much of its time yes it's
very kind of it's quite a cool quite cool video um anyway so it's tangerine cement crash and then
eventually high um and high broke into the top 30 well it's almost got that um you know that intro
that acoustic guitar so even the sound of the acoustic guitar is quite like wonderwall isn't it
it is it's that second fret it's that similar sort of shapes it's um it's definitely got that groove
to it um but it's also got like the drum beat is more like the eels to me you know it's got that sort
of when that comes in it's an album of of influences it's like sponges isn't it where they've just soaked
up all these influences yeah and then gone and recorded this record and it's i i think they became
themselves in i mean i don't know like probably by echo park yeah that kind of comforting sound and
that kind of stuff but um this one felt feels like this kind of um i like like just this mishmash of
influences and feeder you know and so i i anyway i think it's really i there's something super cool
about this record um it was their first album they did an ep before called swim um this was voted as
the number one album in in metal hammer's pole yeah metal hammer did a pole in 1997 which is weird
yes so metal hammer would have been 97 um
oh can i try to well i i'll have to my list in a little bit but there was some big like metally albums
out although metal went through a bit of a weird time yeah you mean back in the late 90s
um uh you had albums like okay computer yeah of course it was then wasn't it urban hymns yeah in
it for the money by supergrass um attack of the gray lantern by manson great um clumsy by our lady
peace and song two by blur yeah um so yeah i it was big brit poppy that manson album was wonderful
yeah it's cool i'd forgotten about that to be honest i just think it's it's odd for this album
to be as in a metal but you wouldn't get that now you wouldn't like you wouldn't but back then it was
completely normal for like metal hammer to cover yeah yeah it was and hard rock and and and stuff as
well um as i look down my list here at other other stuff that they did so um um yesterday went too soon
was the follow-up that charted at eight echo park charted at five comfort and sound charted at six
pushing the senses but that was the biggest one that charted at number two really um and then since
then uk charting has been like you know eight sixteen thirteen ten four five yeah and then they did black
and red in 2024 uh which charted at eight yeah yeah um so you know pretty popular and still doing it
tons of back catalogue yeah tons and tons of back catalogue stuff um it's worth going to watch the
videos i think as well if you liked this and you've not watched them if you go into apple music i think
spotify do it as well but you can go and watch the videos on them um and i had an entertaining afternoon
um uh listening to those um meaning behind some of the tracks so stereo world is about escapism and
drifting away from reality finding solace in music um tangerine and cement um they're basically both
about being kind of stuck and overwhelmed yeah yeah um which i think it's quite kind of quite cool
um it talks about i've got concrete shoes and i can't swim it's about being kind of paralyzed and stuff
um crashes about uh life's sudden twists and turns um and then high was uh that they talk about is
these moments of clarity and connection um so the the meaning behind it's very um connection driven
yeah yeah it is isn't it yeah yeah um they promoted it uh pretty heavily they went out on tour and did
which which everyone did back then you were kind of you did your videos the videos would have gone out
on uh on mtv and and stuff because there was no youtube back then um and you wouldn't have had
short or tiktok yeah so you'd have had to you dump it onto mtv hope that your label bunged them enough
money to play it um and then you would have gone out on tour um and that's what they did so they uh
they ended up on tour with everclear ash gary newman um they played at the heavy festival in
folkestone in 2009 um so they were busy boys yeah touring um get down here so five things uh about
polythene i think i should change this ranks normally by the time i get here i've already covered it all
so um the album title polythene refers to protection and isolation um high became feeder's first top 30 uk
single peaking at 24 um grant nicholas broke his ankle during filming for polythene really
and um the original polythene the video singles vhs yeah uh is now an incredibly rare collector's item
so if you've got one of those might get a tenner for it on the ebay um get on discogs um and it was
voted number one in metal hammers magazine best album poll for 1997 it's been used in some film and
tv uh we talked about gran turismo yes it was definitely tangerine was in there um the other
interesting thing is reviews they everybody absolutely loved it wow um so even going back i was looking at
some reviews like lots of magazines reviewed it back in the day and then they've reviewed it
yeah um uh why would they have done that what uh oh because of the anniversaries i suppose yes
20 how old would it have been 97 uh 2022 would have been what 35 so um did the people have been re-reviewing
it and people still absolutely like gushing over it basically um uh yeah commercial peak was uh with the
the album echo echo park in 2001 yeah and it was the track book rogers i think that's what drove
yes you know people to go back and and do it um there are currently no known official remasters or
expanded reissues of polythene which is good yeah because i was able to find it and listen to it in
its original form its original form and i didn't have to muck about and it was wonderful absolutely
want a well done feeder for not so come into the deluxe edition beast yeah just leave it you know
reissue it on vinyl or something yeah colored splatter whatever right um oh so you know you know i've
ordered my carcass yes i want um i didn't look at what i'd ordered because it just came up and i'm
having that yeah so i ordered it and it's called the gore slop release gore slop gore slop gore slop um
and that is it that all my facts that all my facts about um which to be fair uh uh there's not it's
very hard to find stuff about this album funny the interviews there was there was that there was a few
interviews on it but and with them but not not related to this era not related to when they did
this so yeah this is an underappreciated album i think yeah this is a this is an absolute uh like
diamond yeah in in this time and period yeah that for whatever reason i think the world came to them
as they grew yeah with you know into the 2000s and buck rogers and stuff and they kind of you know
the the two things the two worlds collided right they were the first people that did this whole kind
of like crowdsource video thing weren't they yeah they did that was amazing do you remember that
that was really cool yeah they did all that stuff which i don't remember anyone doing it before what
was the song called it was uh it was just today just today that was it it's got all the little people
in their bedrooms yeah yeah yeah it's got it's got all them like singing away yeah i loved that video
it was really cool um yeah i i get the feeling that the world came to feeder as they
grew into themselves yeah yeah you know which is which where they got um super popular but
this album was like i don't know was it two years too soon maybe yeah maybe so yeah maybe so but it
was you know there were it was fledgling it was there that was their they've done their ep yeah and
then this is their first album really you know and it's a debut so it there were it's a it's a mighty
debut it is it's a sign of things to come for them wasn't it it is it's good it's one of my of all of
their albums this this is the one that i would pick off the shelf yeah you know this is the one that i
would go for um which is often the case when i like i tend to like debut yeah albums we want to do
we want to do a special at some point where we just talk through a bunch of debut albums yeah yeah
yeah what should we do next let's play a song yeah we'll argue and fight about it while the song's
playing yeah and then and then by the time the song's finished we shall uh have a decision sweet
show it to me one way i gotta see
it all scientific radar reaching through the storm it's gotta be home as people move on
it's gotta be home
it's gotta be home
it's gotta be home
it's gotta keep on believing
it's time to get at everything
Will you not let us sing?
Hear me, hear me cry
Suffocate, let them die
A better life, say goodbye
But hear me, hear me cry
I see everything
Silver and gold
Way up, I'm reaching out
Clouds wide as snow
There's gotta be hope
As people move on
It's gotta be
It's since you're giving everything
Will you not let us sing?
Hear me, hear me cry
Suffocate, let them die
A better world, say goodbye
But hear me, hear me cry
Hear me, hear me cry
Why don't you hear me
Why don't they hear me
Suffocate, let them die
I better lie, say goodbye
But hear me, hear me cry
Give, give them now
I care
So yes, this was going to be a short one
Yeah, we can't do that, can we?
No, that's not possible
We don't know when to stop talking
No
We don't know when to shut up
That's a lesson we've never learned
So we've decided
We haven't even decided
What we're doing next
I want to do something first
I've not told you about this yet
I want to do a thing
We got distracted, didn't we?
Yeah, we did, yeah
Which is not unlike us
Like a squirrel
So we get better stats for our show now
So I can see what's going on
Oh, wow
So, for example
I can see that we've got people listening to the show on iHeartRadio
Yeah
And Podcast Addicts
If that's you, thank you very much for joining us
Yeah, thank you very much
Thank you, thank you, thank you
People are listening to old episodes
Okay, going back
Yeah, so Aerosmith, Permanent Vacation
Oh really, that old?
271 days ago we did that
Yeah
And people are checking it out
Twisted Sisters, Stay Hungry
Yes
250 days old
And then Faith No More, Angel Dust
All three of those have been listened to quite a bit
Over the past week
Which I quite like
We had a big spurt of listeners from Germany
Thank you, Germany
So if that's you, well done
Thank you for listening to us
And that's it for stats
That's good, that is, isn't it?
But it's good, you know me, I like stats and numbers and that
And yeah, it made, it got me excited
When I was able to see that information
I thought, get in
Get in
Get in, I can see, I can see what's happening in that
So what's next then, what should we do?
So, there was Terror Vision
Terror Vision
But then you played that Three Colours Red song
Off Revolt
Yeah, and I went, oh
That a beautiful day
But beautiful day, but saying that
That's probably the one track
I mean, I love the whole album
But that, like High
That beautiful day track
Is a real standout for me
On that record
But I think Terror Vision are more
About the scene, aren't they?
Their debut
Three Colours Red
Was pure in 97
That's the one I knew
Yeah
But I think
We should do
The
Debut
From Terror Vision
Yeah
I think we should do
Because we talked about it
Yeah
I'm just pulling it up on my list
So that would be
Formaldehyde
Yeah, yeah
1993
Yeah, well, okay
So going back a bit
Right, yeah, yeah
And I think
I think that's what we should do
We kind of
We've been talking about it
Forever
Yeah
And this was again
The parallels with this one today
That was before they did
The kind of Perseverance
And the tracks like
Tequila
And all that sort of stuff
Oblivion and Perseverance
Oblivion, yeah
Exactly, exactly
Yeah
Was it Tequila?
Was that theirs?
Yeah
Yeah, yeah, yeah
So they
Tequila
Yeah, yeah
So that was like
That was
They found themselves
Doing that later
Whereas the first
The first one from Alderhyde
That was like
Like this album
Yeah, no one's heard of it
Yeah, they're finding themselves
Yeah, American TV
Was a single
New Policy One
And My House
Yeah
Did not sell billions of copies
And I kind of quite like that about it
Yeah, yeah, yeah
I think
And I think for the
I think the plan will do
Should we do another two?
Yeah
We do this one
Yeah
And then we'll do three colours red
And then let's do bush
Yeah
Bush
Yeah
And then I think we should launch off
Into some big fat American
Yeah, great
Super
Get over some
Into the
Massive
Into the big area
Yeah, into the
Like we need to do something
Proper big and meaty
Yeah
From America
I'm trying to think of
Where we go and what we do
I kind of like to do something
Like big
Big and rocky
Yeah
Do you know what I mean?
Not like too metally
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Something like
Yeah
We're going to need to bridge the gap
Yeah
Between
This and
Yeah
Oh, we did say we were going to do
Like Oasis and stuff as well, didn't we?
We'll come back for that later
We'll come back to that later
Yeah, this feels like the undiscovered
Like, you know
This is like
This is what you might not have heard before
But you should
I'm sorry
I can't believe people are listening to it
Yeah
Well, our podcast
Does that make sense?
Yeah, yeah
Just
I was rattling
But it's interesting
Yeah
You know, there are albums like
You know, you do Back in Black
Or you do Nevermind
Or, you know, you do the Black album
You expect that a lot of people are going to
Click in and listen to what it's about
Because those albums sold, you know
30, 40, 50 million copies
Yeah, yeah, yeah
These sold a few hundred thousand
Yeah, but people are still tuning in
In the 90s
Yeah
You know, so the fact that people still remember
And still
Yeah
Still tune in
Thank you very much
Thank you very much
You're all very good people
I feel like I was talking about toilets
And who doesn't?
I swear, honestly
There's a few things that I would love to do
Before we end our career
Before I die
As podcasters
I want to do
Like an alternative Eurovision
Yeah
Where
When
On the Eurovision night
Yeah
What we do is we look at all the countries
And we play our favourite songs
That's a great idea
From that country
I want to do that
I know it's a great idea
It's a brilliant idea
We're just so poorly organised
I never know
That it's Eurovision
Until it is Eurovision
Until it's the day
I'm the same
Oh, I'm not
Well, maybe we'll do it next year
And
Where was I going with this?
I wanted to do that one
And
Oh, what else did I want
My brain's just stopped working
I wanted to do something else as well
I can't remember
I'd be surprised when we talk about it
Oh, the toilets lady
The toilets lady
I want the toilets lady
To come and talk to us
About festival toilets
Because that was
Never been so transfixed
On anyone in my entire life
And I just think
It's so fit
Like the
The ethos of our show
Yeah
I'd like talking about stuff
That probably no one cares about
And I love it
I just think
Just
Where else could you hear
About festival toilets?
Yeah
And you're an expert
I love them
So you will be honest
I just
I cannot wait
For you and her
To have this
Back and forth
Where you can talk about
Your favourite toilet
And she'll tell you
Why she did it
Why it's my favourite
I still remember
Download
Going and doing
Doing the toilet
Probably like the
Tenth time that day
Or whatever
And then looking down
At my feet
And realising
I was standing
In a pool of it
Yeah
You know
I remember which one
That was as well
That was the one
That was near the
Near the food place
Yeah where we got
Those lovely kebabs
Yeah
They were nice
They were
Well I had wet feet
Well I had wet feet
I had
Wee feet
Yeah we
Had to hose them
Do you remember
It was the year
That it got really muddy
Yeah
They're the best
The years were as dry
Like this year
They're
Obviously great
And people have
Great memories
But it's the ones
That it's really muddy
Yeah
That I love looking
On social media
On the Monday
It just slided about
Yeah
It's the state of people
You know
You're like going to
Tesco in Ashby
Yeah
And they're like
They look like
They've come out
Of like a World War I
Trench
You know
Some kind of thing
They just like
Mud everywhere
Yeah
Just
Brilliant
I think that
Yeah
Because that day
There was all the weather
In one day
Yeah
Because I got sunburn
And then he threw it down
And there was mud everywhere
And then it was yeah
Yeah that's true actually
Yeah that is true
There was a lot of weather
I remember
Do you remember
Because
Camouflage Santa
Do you remember
There's a picture
Of you and Dan
Yeah
And it's torrential rain
Yeah
It's
You've both got wellies on
And shorts
Yeah
And it's like
Absolutely
Like you know
Normally when you take a phone picture
You can't see the rain
Yeah yeah yeah
You can really clearly see the rain
And behind you
Is a guy with a really big white beard
Looks like Santa Claus
But he's wearing
He's wearing a full camo
Like poncho thing
And Dan called him
Camo Santa
We're just waffling now
Yeah that's good
I think we're done
And we've not got
A sign off
Oh no
We can't do love you by now
No because that's what
Scott Mills does
So we'll just see you next week
See you bye
Bye
Bye