RIFF052 - Ash - 1977

The End

Mythology

You've got a long one, mate.

You've got a little melisma.

I was going to go, we're back!

Like Clarkson does.

And then you confused me with the melisma.

Melisma, yeah, yeah, melismatic.

What's that, Mr. Bolden?

So if I was Beyonce and I was singing,

if I was saying the words, I like cheese,

as Beyonce and I was singing,

it'd be like, I like cheese.

Oh, that's a melisma.

And what I did with the word cheese

is melismatic.

Is it?

Yeah.

I'd describe it as warbly.

So it's where you've got like a single syllable,

but you do lots of notes within the syllable.

That's just genius.

Music Theory 101 with Riffology.

Yeah, we've not done any of that, have we?

We've not talked about it.

I like it when I challenge you for what key is this in.

And you look at me like,

oh, me!

We're Riffology.

Hello, I'm Chris.

I'm Neil.

Riffology.co is our website.

It's got a blog on it.

It's got loads of stuff on it.

Neil's a genius.

He made it.

Do an email and that.

Yeah, do an email.

Like it on the socials.

Yeah.

And then that's it.

See you later.

Bye.

I have to say,

we did Wild Hearts.

It's gone down really well.

It has, yeah.

People say Earth versus the Wild Hearts.

Earth loves the Wild Hearts.

They do.

There's so much love for the Wild Hearts,

which is phenomenal,

considering that no one's ever heard of them

outside of the UK.

I've been asking people in my team,

in my team,

scattered, essentially,

but about a third in the US,

a third in what would be Europe,

and then a third in Asia and that.

And the Americans and just Australians,

they've never heard of Wild Hearts.

What?

Who?

How can you not know the Wild Hearts?

That's mad.

Have you immediately sent them a link?

Oh, yes.

Go and listen to this,

and then I'll wait.

I'll wait.

I'll wait while you listen.

Tell me what you think.

But, yeah, it's gone really well.

Lots of people liked it,

and I think it's been nice

that you're seeing that,

because about half of the listeners

are still US.

Yeah, which is great.

So, if you're American,

so we're really sorry your mum and dad are fighting.

Is Elon and Trump,

they're fighting, aren't they?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Which one's mum and which one's dad?

I don't know.

Oh, I think Elon's mum, I think.

It's like mum and dad fighting, isn't it?

And they're like,

because mum would look like,

Elon's bringing up like old business.

You know, he's remembered everything.

He's bringing it all up.

That time he looked at the girl the wrong way.

Yeah.

And she remembered.

Anyway, we're really sorry about

what's happening in Team Mum and Dad,

but that's all good.

But we're really pleased that you like the Wild Hearts.

Yes.

Yeah, yeah.

Hopefully.

Well, that's the thing.

Hopefully, there's people there

that haven't heard the Wild Hearts

that now love them,

and then we'll spread the word.

We'll share.

Spread the word.

Which is what this is all about.

This is all about spreading and spreading the love.

It is.

It's a journey of discovery.

And that brings us neatly onto this week's album,

which is from Ash,

and it's 1977.

Now, I don't know.

I know the singles from...

Well, when we chose it,

obviously, I've been listening to it

and reading about it this week,

but when we picked it last week.

It's an album that I know the big singles from.

Yeah.

I know a little bit about the band.

Yeah.

And bizarrely, I knew where it was recorded.

Yeah.

I don't know why.

I knew where it was recorded.

I know a few of the tracks from this album.

I knew why it was called 1977,

but I don't think I'd ever listen to it end to end.

No.

No.

I don't think I've ever listened to it end to end.

And it made me very grumpy.

Really?

It did.

Because I wanted to listen to the album.

Oh, yeah, because...

I wanted to listen to the album.

And it's 45 songs longer, isn't it, now?

And it's now, there's like three CDs.

I can't find 1970.

I couldn't...

I had to go and find a copy of the CD to listen to it.

And it's like, this is just stupid.

Why?

I pay my money, Apple, Mr. Tim Apple.

Let me listen to the bloody music that I want to listen to.

Why can't I...

Maybe we should start a new website.

Maybe it could be on Riffology.co.

Unmastered.

And it could be unremastered.

The grumpy website where...

It's just, I wanted...

If you don't like the remasters, you don't want all the specialties and stuff.

I just wanted unremastered.

You want to hear the album is the album.

That's it.

I just wanted...

I noticed, actually, after giving Metallica a hard time.

Yeah.

They have...

Obviously, they're very...

They're a bit commercial, right?

They know how to sell stuff.

I've noticed that they keep the originals and the remasters.

So they just...

It's the...

So it's not superseded in any way.

No.

No.

Okay.

Which I like.

Yeah.

Because they've just done...

It's the anniversary of Load.

Mm.

I forget which anniversary it is.

An anniversary of Load.

And...

Five years, isn't it?

Five years since that's came out.

Five years, yeah.

God, honestly.

But...

So, so, so, so, yeah.

So, so, so, it's...

My guess is it's probably 30.

It's probably 30 years.

I bet it's 30 years.

Anyway, so Load's come out and that.

And so they've done, you know, vinyls and all the things of Load.

And it's been remastered and all the things.

But I can still go back and listen to the original one.

Sounds just as bad.

Actually, no.

That's not true.

I quite...

Load and reload gets such a hard time.

But actually, I think they...

Didn't Load have For Whom the Bell Tolls on it?

Was that Load?

No.

That was, that was, that's, that's the greatest album.

That's Ride the Lightning.

Oh, is that on Ride the Lightning?

Yeah, we've got to do that one.

That's the greatest.

I don't know my timeline.

I do not know my timeline very well.

No, that was like 10 years earlier.

That was 1984.

I was it?

And I think...

I'm not thinking of that song then, maybe.

I'm maybe thinking of a different song.

Oh, I don't know.

Yeah, I'm not very good at time.

I don't really understand that.

No, we've discovered that.

We've talked about time.

But I guess the point is that I like the fact that you can go and listen to both.

Yeah, yeah.

And I wish that Ash had given me...

I wish I could have gone and listened.

Because what I had to do is then go on Wikipedia, figure out the song listing, then go back onto

Apple Music, then create a playlist and put just the tracks that were on the album.

And then I was able to listen to it.

And then that annoyed me because Sick Party isn't in...

And I was like, oh, well, I'd need to find that.

That's the thing.

And that was it.

That was part of the journey.

Yeah, and I'm like, oh, I need to find that.

So it made me quite...

I was quite a grumpy boy by the time I came up to get there.

But a great album.

It is a great album.

I was going to talk about this later, but as soon as you brought it up, I think...

I don't know if we've...

I might have said this before.

This might be a repeating thing.

Yeah.

But I loved secret tracks.

Like, that was my favourite thing about music in that era.

In that era, in the 90s, yeah.

Was that there were always these little moments of secrets.

It was the CD, wasn't it?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it was when somebody figured out that you could hide music in...

Because there was always the...

Because you couldn't do it on the vinyl because you'd be able to see it.

No, you could see it.

Yeah.

There was the...

The tapes weren't long enough.

Well, because on vinyl, they hid music backwards.

Oh, okay.

Right, right, right, right.

So, there was all that, wasn't there, where you had things that were like, the run-out

stuff would sound a little bit weird and you'd spin it backwards.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But, and there was, I always remember the rumour that it was a record company ruse to get people

to spin their records backwards, which would break them so they would buy more records.

Oh, right.

I'm not sure.

I'm not sure that's the truth.

But there were two secret tracks, weren't there, for CDs.

There was the one where there was just, like, at the end.

Yeah.

Which is what this one was.

Yeah.

So, it was just like, there's like...

Like, 10 Minutes of Silas or something.

Yeah, and then the track starts.

Yeah.

But then, there was the Skunk Anansi ones, where they used to hide them in the...

Oh, in the between.

In the between.

So, you had to kind of...

Yeah, because you can set a, like, an in-between time, can't you?

So, what would happen is you would...

It would go from, like, track five to track six, but the start time of track six would

be at, like, three or four minutes.

Yeah.

And if you rewound, you'd be able to hear the hidden track.

That's really clever.

It is.

I think that's actually cleverer, because it's a little bit...

I don't know.

Like, because if you leave a CD on accidentally, you're going to hear the secret track, but you

actually have to locate this one.

Yeah.

That's like...

It's like a secret room or something.

Yeah, you wouldn't have seen it.

And I'm pretty sure this was on Stoosh.

Right.

Or it was on one of the...

The first one I remember seeing like this was on Skunk.

I'm sure one of our listeners, probably Kendall, will know the answer.

But it was one of those albums, and it was...

Like, if you just played it and left it on repeat, you would never hear it.

No, no.

You needed to know.

And I think I read about it in Kerrang.

Yeah.

So, it wasn't like...

I'd had the CD for probably, like, two years or whatever.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then, remember, I think they had an article about secret tracks.

Right, right.

I think I could find it, actually, because most of the Kerrang stuff's digitised.

Yeah, yeah.

But, yeah, it was like you...

And it was dead weird.

Once you see it, you're like, oh, how can I not have seen...

You know what I mean?

Because, you know, you always had the counter on CD players.

Yes, yeah.

It would go from, you know, it would always, as it skipped from, like, track to track, it

would go back to zero and then start counting up.

Yeah.

And then one of them, it would go to the start of the next track, but it would start at, like,

four minutes or something.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then you had to skip it back.

Dead clever.

I like that.

Yeah, yeah.

Wicked.

Can't get that anymore, can you?

No.

And I think that's sad.

I think it makes the world a sadder place.

Sadder.

We can't have secret tracks anymore.

Yeah.

And then this one in particular was, you know, if conversation ever comes up about secret

tracks, Sick Party is what comes up, because it's just incredible.

Of which, the story online isn't quite right.

Oh, because I sent you the blog for this, and, yeah, I mean, of the research that we

did for the show, and you only told me now, after it's been online for, like, a week or

whatever, oh, that's not right.

Well, I don't know, because it's all over myth, that's the problem.

Yeah, yeah.

Is that we can only go on what we know.

Well, you know the, you know.

I've got a bit of a kinship with this record, because it was recorded at Rockfield, and I've

also, during my time of doing music and guitar, recorded a few times at Rockfield.

Yeah.

And there's two studios at Rockfield, mainly.

There's the Coach House, which is my favourite one.

Yeah.

And then the Quadrangle, which is also very, very good.

Yeah.

But I've got a bit of a soft spot for the Coach House.

You went a bit like Bridget Jones then.

Yeah.

When she said that, I mean, your book, this is going to be proper weird now.

There's a bit in there where she talks about, this is the best book ever.

Yeah.

And Salman Rushdie's there, and she goes, oh, and Salman Rushdie, and your book was quite

good also.

And then there's a load of other authors in there, and she goes, and yours is quite

good.

And then she kind of comes back and says, I sound like the biggest Bridget Jones fan.

They wouldn't.

I'm totally not.

I just really like this scene.

And then she kind of goes, well, and then she starts off by saying, this is one of the

best books of this generation.

And then she kind of gets to the end, and she thinks, and she looks back, and she goes, well,

top 10 anyway.

Yeah.

Anyway, continue.

So, yeah, we did that.

And I love the Coach House.

I've got a real soft spot for that studio.

I really like it.

So is that what you did, Circularity?

No, we actually did Circularity in the Quadrangle.

Oh, wow.

Which I loved it.

It was amazing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So the Quadrangle's got the Bosendorfer piano that allegedly Freddie Mercury wrote, but

he knew Rhapsody on.

That's the one that Thunder made rattle, wasn't it?

Yes.

And then the other one, the one in the Coach House, is like a Yamaha Mini Grand, and that

one is the Don't Know Back in Angle one.

Oh, wow.

It leads for that, and Coldplay's first record.

Yeah.

Obviously, loads of stuff, but they're the sort of big ones.

And anyway, I think Ash obviously recorded, I assume, in that studio, because it's got

like a bit of a courtyard outside.

Yeah.

And my understanding of the story is that they took a mic outside, so they got probably

one of the really expensive Neumanns.

Oh, my God.

And then took that outside.

And they, you know, the thing, because it was produced by Owen Morris.

Yeah.

And Owen Morris is notorious for-

He's quite lively, isn't he?

Yeah.

It's just nuts.

Like, the sessions are overnight, and they're always like drug or alcohol for you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And he's kind of like a mad scientist.

Right.

He's like this kind of, you know, super eccentric guy, but just like,

somehow manages to capture lightning, and gets these guys all in a kind of state, you

know, for creativity, and then they push record.

Yeah.

And Nick Bryan, who I think we probably mentioned on the podcast before, engineered a lot of

albums around that time.

Yeah.

And he became, I'm not seeing him for a bit, but we spoke about him, he works a lot with

Thunder now.

He does.

He engineered What's the Story, Morning Glory, and this record.

Well, there's that lovely bit of What's the Story, Morning Glory, where they do,

there's the recording, is it the beginning of Wonderwall?

Yeah.

Which one is the beginning of Wonderwall, where you can hear the birds cheating?

Yeah, yeah, because it was done outside.

And it's recorded in the courtyard, but it's outside, and they were like dragging the mics

out of, and apparently they kind of, I can't remember who owns it, but they were dragging

the mics out of, and then somebody came and said, what are you doing?

Yeah, it's just kind of weird, because, you know, it's obviously, a lot of the songs

from that album have just sort of grown with us over the last, you know, 20 years,

I guess they still feel current to us, but, yeah, I mean, the recording of the album was

like, it was, we sort of started off doing a bunch of singles, and we were working with

Owen Morris, and that was just like a, a real kind of rock and roll experience, just living

with us, like, you know, recording, working with us, like, drug-crazed, just mad scientist-producer

guy, so that was, that was, like, proper introduction to rock and roll, just getting up to crazy shit

in the studio, and get the vibe going, and then that was, it kind of, like, we first worked

with him, like, sort of the end of 94, just after Christmas, when the Verve were taking a

break from recording in Northern Seoul.

We, like, got into the studio for a few days, and did, like, Kung Fu, and Angel Interceptor,

and then, like, during, like, school holidays, again, Easter, we did, recorded Girl From Mars,

and, and then we were sort of touring the world, and then we come back to, to do the album in

the winter, weeks or six weeks, and sort of, we, like, a handful of songs have been touring

so much, it was like, kind of just like, it was just like this weird, it's just the weirdest

experience of making an album, but I guess we were, we were so young, we just thought, you

know, that's, that's just how it goes. So that's, that's, that's a classic, classic

Owen Morris type, type thing. It's maddening. And, um, yeah, and this similar thing, so they

took the mic outside in the courtyard, and rather than capturing a beautiful song like

Wonderwall, what they, uh, what they managed to capture instead was basically, like, the

urinating and vomiting everywhere. It's just, it's beautiful. It's, it's actually, I, for

me, because I'm, that's my humour, I'm like, yeah, absolutely. I think we're a bit,

yeah, we, we, we, our relationship is mostly memes through the week, and then we do

this at the weekend, and, um, it's, there's something, like, there's a lot to really like

about it, and you can, you kind of just imagine being there, and you think it's going to be

funny. The bit I love about it is the fact that at some point, this was presented back

to a record company executive with an Armani suit, and shiny leather shoes, who's like going,

what, and, and how am I, you know, I've just given you money to go and do this record, and

you've vomited on this stuff. What, where's my payback? Do you know what I mean? Where am

I getting my money back from this? And then I just, I don't know, I'm just imagining the

band like, it's the best thing ever! It's so good, isn't it? You know, and just like, you

know, that kind of, that, like, clash of culture, just, you know, the business, and that.

Yeah, because they were kids, they were 19, 18. There was, yeah, I asked, um, I asked

the, the chat GPT, um, yeah, oh, oh God, I've lost, oh shit, uh, sorry, I pressed the wrong

button. Um, I asked them how old they were. Yeah. I asked it. Oh, you, I was going to say

you made chat GPT plural then. You made it at them. Them? Yeah. You asked, I asked them.

Oh, I didn't mean, is it them? I don't know, that's quite interesting. What, what, um, uh,

interestingly this week, there was a, um, an AI, I was just going to go off piece a little

bit. There's an AI coding. It's not like us, is it? No, it's not. There's an AI coding

company. And, um, these things have been around for a while now. People are saying, oh, you know,

basically just ask it and it will produce the code for you. Uh, and, and they've gone bankrupt

because it turns out that the AI, the super AI model that. Oh, wasn't it like 700 Indian guys?

Yeah. It's just, it's just a small army of Indian graduates who, um, work for nothing. So

anyway, uh, it's an it it's called chat GPT and, uh, I, uh, Ash recorded 1977 when they were still

teenagers. Um, Tim Wheeler was born January, 1977, um, which makes him, uh, between 18 and 18. Uh,

Mark Hamilton born October, 1976 makes him 19. And Rick McMurray born December 75, which made him

20. So 1977 was called that because of the year they were born, but it was also a year

where a lot of things that they liked happened. Yeah. So like Star Wars was a big, a big,

well, the album starts with a TIE fighter sound. It's amazing. It's the greatest sound ever.

It's so cool. How did they get away with that? I probably just did it. I probably just did it.

You can't tell anybody. You wouldn't get away with that now, would you? No, no. Do you know what

I mean? You'd have like, I don't know, who owns it now? Disney. Yeah. Did Disney own it?

Yeah. They'd be there. Yeah. Three in the morning, standing at the bottom of your bed.

You haven't paid us for the TIE fighter thing you used. I imagine that's how Disney work. Um,

but yeah. Can we talk about Warpedal as well? Warpedal! Yeah. Yeah. This, I think that this

Ash album has probably got the greatest use of Warpedal ever on any record. Oh. Kirk Hammett

is very good at the old Warpedal. He uses Warpedal quite a lot. He's who I think of when

you say the Warpedal. Yeah. Yeah. He's, he's my, he's, he's my Warpedal. Yeah. And obviously,

you know, Jimi Hendrix back in the day made it, made it famous. He made it cool, didn't he?

Yeah, he did make it cool. Yeah. He took it out of work. Cause it, yeah, he, he made it like,

it's all right. You can still be rock and roll and use a Warpedal. Yeah. Yeah. Which you couldn't

before. It was quite a funky kind of soul. Yeah. You couldn't before that, could you? It was a bit jazzy.

Um, and so like Ash did it on massive rock. I know. Massive rock music and a few other

people did as well. Yeah. But just it absolutely, the way they use it on this record, it absolutely

slices through the mix. It's every time it's used. It's, it's, it's just brilliant. I don't

know which one they use. I assume it's like a, a Jim Dunnock cry baby or something. Yeah.

They're the kind of most common ones from that era that people used. Um, but the sound it

makes, you know, like in, um, the opening track of the record and, and, um, which was also used

on Gran Turismo. So that's where I remember it from. Cause I used to play Gran Turismo. Um,

we watched that movie this week. Is it a film? There's a, there's a, um, and again, and I just

feel like I'm just doing off piece bits. Oh no, this is great. This is, this is so far. This has

been 20 minutes of, of, of just tangencing. Not talking about the record. Um, so, uh, uh, Gran Turismo,

so Gran Turismo, uh, a movie from 2023. Oh, is it really? Yeah. It's a couple of years

old. And it's a true story. Uh, so Barney got me to watch it. A true story? Yeah. Um, so

it's not based on the video game then? Yeah. I wish I could capture Chris's face. I'm not

explaining this very well. So, um, how do I begin this? How do I start? So the story is,

so the video, the video game is from, uh, Sony. Yeah. Well, it was a Sony PlayStation

game and, um, uh, uh, there was a guy, uh, I think connected to Nissan who wanted to make

a, a completely realistic racing sim.

So that's why the Nissan Skyline is so good in that game. Yeah. That's why they, that's

where it came from. And, uh, that's what it was kind of, uh, all about. Um, but then there

was a, a dude called Darren, Darren Cox, um, Darren Cox was a Nissan guy and he had this

idea of taking a sim racer and bringing them into real racing. So somebody who raced real,

you know, it was used to driving with a, uh, you know, a computer game, but then essentially

pluck them out of that. And were they good enough? If they were good on a thing, you know,

on a computer game, would they be good enough in real racing? Yeah. Um, and that's what we

watched the movie. But, uh, but the bit that's interesting is a, obviously the, uh, so it's

the movie about the story of the making of the game.

The stories about the movie of a guy called Jan Mardenbrough, who was the winner of the,

of the GT Academy, which was this contest that they ran to find the best sim racers.

And then they took the best sim racer and then plunked them, plunked them in, in the real racing

cars. Did he die? No. He did well. He was really good. Yeah. Yeah. He did okay. I mean,

he had some pretty big accidents and stuff, but he was, he was, he was good. It's a cool movie.

Um, do you know the bits that's quite a cool idea for a movie? It is. I thought it'd be

rubbish. You know what I mean? Like some great game film things. I mean, it's a bit, it's

a bit like a Barney loved it, but Barney's 10. Um, it's like, it's a bit cliche. It's a

bit kind of eighties. Yeah. Okay. Do you know what I mean? Like Rocky kind of, you know, you

kind of know, you can know what's coming next. It's a bit like that. Um, but there were people

in there that I didn't expect. So, uh, David Harbour was in there. Right. Who was Stranger

Things. Uh, I quite liked, um, Orlando Bloom was in it. He plays one of the lead characters.

Um, Jerry Halliwell was in it. Ginger Spice. You know, when you're watching something and

you're like, I just don't know you. And I didn't quite, I didn't reckon, I, you know, and it

was only, I didn't recognize it until I tell you what I saw. I saw a clip of, um, Christian

Horner. Right. In a, in a, and I was watching some shorts on YouTube and there was a clip

of, of Christian Horner. You remember the, the sexting scandal that he had with somebody

that he worked with, there was a picture of, there was a clip of him and Jerry Halliwell

walking into the pit, the paddock. And I thought it's you. Oh, you were in the, you were in the

thingy. So it came to me afterwards. But anyway, completely unrelated to this, except for the

fact that it was, the music was on, um, the video game. It was great. That was, and actually

that was, so I bet I've, I've gone through, ran many a lap in my, in my PlayStation one.

In a GT, in a, in a, in a GTR. A GTR, yeah. Um, listening to that song. It's funny, isn't

it? How, um. I can't remember whether they actually used the, um, Tide Fighter noise on

the, they must have done, on the game. Mmm, that's interesting. Yeah. They would have got

in loads of trouble from that. I can't, I don't know who would have owned, that would have

been, it wouldn't have been owned by Disney back then. No, maybe they'd cut the front end

of it, maybe. Yeah. If you know, let us know on Twitter, X or Facebook. If anybody's still

following what we're doing. This is darting about lovely. This, I like this. I like it

when it's like this. It is a little bit. Anyway, I thought, I thought it was an interesting,

uh. What do you like about, because I, because I'd not listened to the, well, we said this

about, probably about 15 minutes ago now. Um, I've not listened to the album in full, I

think ever. And because there were so many banger singles on it. Yeah. It tended to just go

straight to those. Yeah. Uh, so there's Girl From Mars, there's Angel Interceptor, there

was Kung Fu. Yeah. There was, ooh. So it was Goldfinger, Girl From Mars, Kung Fu, Oh

Yeah, and Angel Interceptor were the singles. Angel Interceptor was 2 minutes 38. Yeah, that's

your, but that's your favourite length, isn't it? I do like short. Although my, do you know

my favourite track on this album is Dark Side, Light Side, and that's 5 minutes 20. Yeah,

yeah, yeah. So it's an interesting album for me. It's got, um, it's quite poppy in place.

It's got this full of pop hooks and stuff, but there are bits in there where it kind

of verges on, um, I guess where, like where the US pop punk would go. Yes, absolutely.

Yeah. And there are bits in there that, uh, I think that are, that are like that, like Kung

Fu, I think it's a bit like that and Dark Side, uh, Dark Side, Light Side. Um, but it's

like this, it, it, it, it, it, it, like a lot of these really great records, it's like

a journey. It doesn't, it doesn't feel like somebody's agonised over it. Do you know what

I mean? It's got this, um, authenticity. Yeah. Where, you know, you, like some albums, you

feel like record company execs have, have agonised over, you know, the key that it's supposed to

be in and the syllables to have the biggest impact to sell more records. Yeah. Um, this

feels like totally genuine and authentic to me. It feels like, it feels like it's got,

um, mistakes in it. It feels like it's got rough edges to it. It feels, it feels rock

and roll. It feels like a genuine or even, even that intro track. So you've got the, you've

got the guitar, you know, doing that intro for, um, for the, for the first song and it comes

and comes and comes and comes and then drums kick in and it jumps up about three or four

BPM. Yeah. Easily, you know, if not more than that. It really does leap. Yeah, no, absolutely.

But there's something I really like about it. It's got that kind of, um, it's, it's kind of

punk pop, but it's kind of, it's, it's, it's really accessible. It's kind of, you know, there's

a few times. It's so youthful. I mean, as an old person, I can say that, but it sounds,

you know, they were, they were 18 doing this. They're 18, 19 and you can sort of hear

that. But the songs are, the songs that, you know, I was, I was riffing about the wild

hearts last week. I was gushing over like Ginger's, um, compositional kind of approach,

the way he creates. The ability to write stuff. Yeah. And the sculpting of the, the craft of

the song and stuff. This one is a bit more like it just comes out. You can sort of feel this

one's a bit more, the song comes out and that's the song. Yeah. Um, and the, um, but, but one

thing that's, I'm assuming Tim Wheeler is the sort of main writer. One thing that he's

really good at is darting between those light and shades. So you've got those big, heavy

moments, but then you've also got the light kind of moments as well on the record. Um,

and like often they're two different keys. You know, you said the word bad keys earlier.

It's like, it's like they don't sit, they don't sit in the same sort of key and they, and they

transpose, you know, through the songs. But it's the dissonance, isn't it? That, that brings

in that, the dynamics of this. And actually that's a really good, that's a really good way

to think about this album. And it is incredibly dynamic. There are bits in there that are

like super smooth and pretty almost. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty. And then it will dive bomb into

a section that's just not, and then you might get like some of the tracks have got like quite

big guitars, but they're, um, uh, you know, then they're not into kind of punk territory.

They're just kind of a bit indie almost. I'd describe it. And then there are other tracks

where they go kind of way off that scale. They're kind of, you know, it's in, in, you know,

kind of early green day territory almost where they're kind of absolutely raging. And it's,

it's a, it's a lovely record for that. It's kind of, um, you know, it, it, it kind of ebbs

and flows from the beginning all the way through. And there's the big singles, which

you kind of know. Yeah. Um, but it was the others. It wasn't those that really stood out

for me at the minute. Cause I think maybe you've heard them so many, you know what I mean?

You've heard them so many times. Like, I don't think I'd heard dark side, light side ever before

this week. Right. And that's the one that has really stood out. You know, as I put this album

on coming in the car on the way over here, you know, let's start through, skip through a few

bits and people say, Oh yeah, I really like this bit. Really like this bit. And then just

as I kind of got into the bottom of the squad, I thought, Oh, I've only got a few minutes

and that was where I went. I thought I've got a few minutes and I spun it to the end and

listened to that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a fab record.

All I want is to see you smile.

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Give me feelings that I used to get. Remember things that I have forgotten or when you're near.

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in shades and if it's okay to go straight into the sort of my favorite song on the record.

Yeah.

Which is Oh Yeah.

Yeah.

It's just beautiful.

It's anthemic isn't it?

It's huge.

It's one of those tracks where you, I reckon you could put 50 people in a room and say,

do you know Oh Yeah by Ash and like 10 people have put their hands up.

And then you played it and then 80 people have put it.

Everyone knows it.

You know what I mean?

Everyone would do it.

And then they'd be like, oh yeah, actually I know.

It's one of those where you kind of know, I don't know.

There's quite a few albums like that.

I think.

Yeah.

You know, they like you.

Everyone knew them.

I mean, they were played everywhere at the time and you knew them, but you might not have

known who.

Yeah.

A lot of Queen songs are like that.

I think where people don't know that.

Do you know what I mean?

They don't know that.

Although how you could miss Freddie Mercury's voice.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But it's like that, isn't it?

They're kind of just songs that are.

I don't know.

They're in your psyche if you like.

If you were, if you were kind of a, those growing up years in the nineties.

Yeah.

This would have just been everywhere.

And oh yeah.

It was one of the.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It certainly was.

But the thing about it, when I was talking about the, you've got the big, the big heavy

sort of sounds, but then you've got the pretty side of the album.

This song manages to do both because whilst you've got the big, heavy, huge, dark wall

of sound guitar stuff going on, you've also got the most lush string section.

That's correct.

Yeah.

It just comes in from no.

It's like.

Like beautiful.

Yeah.

Absolutely stunning.

Like it's like, it's from a ballad.

You know what I mean?

Like a beautiful ballad.

It's weird.

Cause it kind of doesn't, I say it doesn't fit.

It's not what you associate.

No, it's absolutely.

It's right.

It's absolutely right for the song.

It doesn't feel any, in any way out of place, but it shouldn't work.

Well, it's, it's, it's, it's one for me where you think there's not, they've not done this

before.

You know what I mean?

Where's this come from?

And I always have that, that idea of like, oh, they were just on the end of the studio

session and the, you know, they're like another band had some budget left over and it's like,

we've already paid the strings.

So yeah.

Yeah.

Do you want them?

Yeah.

I do like strings.

I like, um, I like, um, solo strings that were quartets or, you know, I like hearing

the bows.

You had strings on your last record, didn't you?

I remember, I remember that happening.

I remember that, um, that occurring and you were buzzing over that.

Yeah.

Cause what we think is, is that because of, um, you know, making records expensive and what

you try and do is go, oh, if I can just use a plugin, that's not what it costs.

Well, it's not.

It's cause it's reproducing that as well.

You know, in the live thing, it's much, cause I remember you, um, you took your strings

with you for a bit, didn't you?

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You came out and did a few shows.

And it's, it's, I think you think it's really, um, it worked really well.

I thought that worked really well.

No, it's lovely.

The problem comes where it's like, it's like anything else to do with music where everyone's,

yeah.

People are busy.

Everyone's got day jobs.

Everyone's got other things going on.

And, you know, if anyone, whoever wants to, you know, figure out the law of impossibility,

it's generally, you know, arranging a band practice is, is one of the hardest things you

will ever do in your life.

Are doing your life.

There was a brilliant thing where, um, you know, if, if that's not your job, you know.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There was a brilliant thing where somebody was talking about, um, doing solo records and it

was in one of the albums that we've covered.

I forget which it would have, it was in one of the last two or three weeks.

So if you've not, if, if this doesn't sound familiar, then you should go back and listen

to those.

But to all of them, really?

Yeah.

Cause they're brilliant.

Yeah.

But there was a bit where it was like, um, why I think it was Ricky Warwick.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

Do solo stuff.

Oh yeah.

And it's like, well, cause it's too hard to get a band together.

It's just that you're like trying to, yeah, what's a while.

Sorry.

I've got to walk the dog or.

Yeah.

Do you know what I mean?

I've got to go and like trim my roses.

I mean, everyone's got all the, you know, the kids have got a thing or whatever.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it was like, it's just impossible.

Whereas.

Well, it happened for me today.

Did it?

Yeah.

I had to, I had to grovel and say, I'm really sorry.

Can we change the time of the rehearsal?

Because I've got to go.

My daughter's doing a singing thing.

Oh yeah.

You've got to, you can't, you know.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And it's like, it's, but it's, I think the thing that shocks people is, uh, the, the,

the level that that happens to, and there are bands that headline that like, you know,

there are bands that are headlining gigs and they're going to day jobs.

yeah they're not oh yeah your favorite bands have got a day job yeah yeah yeah absolutely and then

and unless they're headlining arenas yeah then they'll be all right but if they're supporting

an arena then maybe not you know it's it's extraordinary i think that um i guess the uh

the small amount of money that comes in from bands so you know buy a t-shirt yeah that's where all

the money that's that's how to get money into the band's hands yeah but it but it is it's bonkers

isn't it yeah really i think but yeah just trying to get people together and it's the same in anything

though isn't it i mean it doesn't matter what you're doing once you've got um once you've got a bunch of

people together people have different priorities everyone's priorities the same yeah then that's

that works yeah but it's where you know it's where people don't yeah yeah and that's that's what causes

you know it's what makes it hard i think yeah yeah yeah so unless you do golf i don't like golf do you

like golf no i don't like golf no at all golf what who is it golfers and what is it you say oh you want

the list yeah uh i don't like golf i don't like football yeah uh i don't like people who like

exercise yeah um i don't like people who like um you know like yoga and pilates and all that don't like

them yeah um don't like people that wear backpacks don't like people who carry water bottles

oh that's the hugh lorry meme yes he's so funny but you know i don't like i don't i don't like a lot

actually yeah yeah the more i think about it does that list grow as you get older yeah definitely i like

i quite like adding people to it as well you know i kind of like oh no because you have an experience

with somebody and you just think don't like that anymore yeah no because you because you're that

you're like you're a driving instructor and i don't like you i don't like driving instructors now

i quite like doing that as i get older yeah a bit grumpy yeah yeah but i find golf just intolerable

yeah and and uh um i think it's the seriousness of it does that make sense yeah it's like people who

take the thing they do yeah people that take the thing that they do super serious i i'm quite i get

it i get that you you found real passion there but i don't care yeah and i'm probably not going to

no and i i just think it's bizarre yeah but there you go well that's that's my grumpiness there we go

can i play oh yeah you can if you sing it first oh yeah

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shpatan

oh yeah she was taking me over

oh yeah it was the start of the summer

oh yeah i warned you the evening she would come to my house

still in a school skirt and her summer blouse

talking too long as the night came on

it was the best time of my life

Her beast on earth kisses really warm

The things she gives me, the breath of sighs

The soul of the air was soft and unborn

Her eyes were weak and softened hands

As her hair came undone in my hands

Oh yeah, she was taking me over

And oh yeah, it was the start of the summer

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I'm driving home after midnight

I felt so good, everything was alright

I still see her in my sleep

I don't know why these things ever end

I sometimes wish it was the summer again

I still see her in my sleep

And hear a sign of the summer winter

Still I don't regret one day

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Nostalgia attached to that record, especially when we were so young at the time. I think

our fans felt we really belonged to them because we were right around the same age and it all

happened to us. We really kind of came together and people just look at that album, it was

something really special. A song called Lost in You, it's really nice, it's just a good

song. We don't get to play that often, but it's nice to have an excuse to play it. It

was almost written the last night of recording the album in the studio, it was kind of like

we need another big tune for it. We were kind of rehearsing some of these songs and we haven't

played them in so long that you have to sit and rework out the chords, but then certain

songs you find yourself, your fingers just go automatically to where it is and you're

like, I'm not doing this, it's just sort of like, I don't know, some sort of automatic

pilot muscle memory. It's just weird.

You know, everything about that, everything's better on that sound, all of the sounds on that

and everything from that time, even when the drum comes in, all of it, the beautiful strings

fading out the end, everything was better than it is now then. So I was somewhere today and

someone asked me a question about something that was something to do with new music or

something about that and I said, no, I'm still stuck in 1996, I'm really sorry.

I was stuck in 1996. That's not a bad place to be stuck in my mind.

No, but they laugh like it was a joke. I'm like, no, I actually am.

I love you though with your flat, just with your deadpan face. Not funny.

No, I am. Like, because you know how much I love the Smashing Pumpkins?

Yeah.

So, Smashing Pumpkins, Billy Corgan, he's currently doing a thing called Machines of God.

Yeah.

Right? And it's kind of an era of Machina and Melancholy, Averador, that time, that golden

era, in my view. And they went out and did a tour recently and they did a big thing. We

watched it with Download and they were great.

They were great.

And then they did this thing recently, they've just done albums and lots of people went to

that gig. It was Birmingham, it wasn't even very far away. And they said to me, why are,

how come you're not going?

Yeah.

And I don't want to, because that's not, that's not the version of that band that I

love.

Yeah.

And I didn't want to say, and I don't mean it offensively. I don't mean it, like, I'm

not saying that the stuff they're doing now isn't good. You know, they're still stunning.

They're an incredible band. The new stuff's been, everything they've done ever is amazing.

But for me, the version of that band that I identify with is the band that went around doing

the sort of 2000 capacity clubs and around that era, the two to 5,000 or whatever, play,

not arenas. You know, they were doing, they were doing the rock clubs and they were, and

they were a four piece or a five piece and they were playing the Everlasting Gaze. They

were playing 1979. They were playing Zero. They were playing, you know, Ava Adore. They

were doing that, that, that, that batch of stuff.

Yeah.

And the new band that he's put together, that isn't the Pumpkins, it's a new, totally new

lineup.

Yeah.

Are doing that.

So they're doing a tour in the States at the minute.

That's really interesting.

Where there, where there's like, I think it's a four, I think it's four of them.

Yeah.

I think there's, there's a guitar, two guitar, he's playing guitar. There's another guitarist,

a bass player, a drummer. I'm pretty sure that's it.

Yeah.

So it's a proper, it's a rock band.

Yeah.

And they're playing those songs.

Oh, wow.

And I'm like, that's it. That's not, that's, that's that 1995 to 2000 sort of era stuff.

I, I mean, you know, my position, I, I, I kind of feel that these albums are like time

capsules. They're like, I mean, this 1977 is a brilliant example of that for me. It's,

you can't reproduce it. You can't go and get like a bunch of kids and stick them in a studio

and expect to get, you know what I mean? It's, it's like of everything about this record

is, is, is, is like a, a, a point in time and the production style is a point in time

with the people that produced it.

Um, and that's kind of why I think that, you know, making it all make it sound bigger and

we'll compress it.

You just know, cause that makes it sound not, that takes it out of that, that time. And I

get a little bit frustrated, but I, I, there's a ton of albums I love from this era that are

sorry, just to say this is, this album's really overdriven. Oh, like, like, like a tape tape sort

of tape. It's really hot. All of it is. And it does that thing where it also, it does that

beautiful analog squashy thing where it's sort of slightly, it slightly compresses it, but not in a

kind of brick wall. It doesn't make it sound nasty. In a way where it's almost like the sound

swamped together a little bit. I don't know what the original of this sounded like. And that's the

thing that annoys me. I can't, like, I think I I've got the remaster of this. Yeah. I totally

interrupted you and you were on a fly. The only thing that I've got is just the remaster and I

don't know what it is, but it was really just kind of that. I was going down that path of a

point in point in time. And it's, you know, it's these albums are, um, I don't know. I don't think

they're to be mucked around with really, you know, but they are, they're, they're representative of,

of everything, the production and everything that happened at that time. And I kind of don't like it

when I don't see the point of it. I'd love to see them reissued. Yeah. I think, well,

I say, I don't really like reissues either. Yeah. I don't mind, I don't mind them going like,

oh, you know, oh, it's the anniversary. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well,

I was going to have a new bingo card of things, but things we don't like and what we,

what comes up. But I think that, um, did we say the story about Lindsay? Cause Lindsay

came to a merch market or the other Roxy gave us fruit pastels. Yeah. We did that last

week. We do that. And then, and then my children at them. Yeah, we did that. I was just going

to say, I don't like bingo either. Oh, mate, I don't like bingo. Do you? No, no. It's full

of old people with dubbers and they do. The thing is, it's too fast. Isn't it? You've got

a man goes, what do you mean line? I'm still doing the first one. And he's like, I won at

seven and look, it's not. That's eight. It's not seven. It's not true. And it makes me very

grumpy. And they're all just in there with those, like it's like it's an Olympic sport. A good game

is making up your own, making up your own, you know, like for numbers. So you know, Kelly's eye

number one and all that. So you say, oh, squirrel fart number 76. Squirrel fart. Yeah. All sorts of

different things like that. I think just, maybe we're just. So I went to bingo for a

little while at Mecca Bingo in Burton on Trends. Yeah. Which somehow still exists. So Mecca

Bingo was still a thing apparently. Yeah. But there was a big, there was a, like a bingo

craze. Right. Where everyone seemed to just go to bingo all of a sudden. Right. And it wasn't

like the old bingo with your dubbers and your, and your. Yeah. What was this then? This

was like screens and. No way. Slidy things. Well, the computer did it for you. I think

so. There's a bit of that going on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Watched it do it. Yeah. There's a bit

of that. And, and, and, and the reason, the reason we went, I think, was because the person

that we went with. Yeah. Was very lonely. And that was the only time they got to see the

family. Oh yeah. And they, and they did a thing every week, which was bingo. Yeah. And

like they were sort of nearly dead, like dying. Yeah. Or whatever. And everyone was getting

together to, you know, to kind of. To watch them play bingo. Yeah. So like, and that was

their social thing. And I was like, I can't do it. I like that though. I, I, I'm a big fan

of that. I have a social, I just, I just don't invite me. That's it. And that's what

I used to do. So I used to just go and go to the, like, cause I used to go to the pub

afterwards. Yeah. And have some pork scratchings and a pint or whatever. So I just go and join

them for that bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be all right. I couldn't do it. I was sitting

there for three hours going, this is, there's so many better things than this that I could

be doing right now. It's phenomenal. It's the pressure. Yeah. Of

it. And then the realisation that it's just pointless, stupid, stupid and stressful. And

then your brain's kind of going, what are you doing? Why are you here? You idiot.

I hope it picks this out for the description of this podcast.

Oh God. Yeah. Then when it does the, um, so the way a lot of this, what we do is we do

the transcripts of the show. And then I dump that into chat GPT and say, find something

funny. And the things it picks out or the things it makes up as well. You know, I'm sure

we didn't talk about that. You know, I remember going to, uh, Mecca Bingo. Uh, this is going

back a long, long time. And we'd all, we'd all gone, it was like four of us. And, uh, cause

I, one of us decided it'd be funny. So anyway, when we went there, this massive stressful experience

of, and I was kind of properly. And then you got to walk through fruit machines to get there.

Oh God. It's like, this is really stressful. And then we came up. You don't win any of this.

No. When you go in, when you go in, there were all these things you can like win stuff.

Yeah. It's like, you're not winning any of it. It's not going to happen. What you're

going to do is you're going to go in, you're going to spend your money. You're going to

waste loads of time. Yeah. On the premise that you may win something. Yeah. And then

go home just with that feeling of disappointment. When we came out, it was just full of drunk

mums. Oh, was it? Yeah. Absolutely slaughtered. They were just on the floor and one of them

was lying and they were all, but do you know the thing that's fascinating about that when,

and kind of pulling it back to this album a little bit, when girls are all drunk together,

they all pull around and they go, Oh look, Sharon's like, boobs are falling. Now let's

tuck her in and let's pick her up and let's get her in. Let's tuck her in and let's get

her, you know, let's get around and look after her. If one of the lads falls over, everyone

either piles on, thinks it's the funniest thing in the world ever, gives them a new nickname.

Do you know what I mean? And it's just like that. Yeah. Handcuffs them to a goat. All

that sort of stuff. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, we were a bit scared. We kind of came out there

and we were chased by some drunken mums who'd been at the Mecca bingo. What you should have

done, you should have gone, Oh, quickly, look, your knickers are in your sock.

Your knickers are in your sock. Oh God. You'd have written a song about it, wouldn't you? You'd

have been like, Oh, write a song about this. When I went to the Mecca bingo. That's a tangent

and a half that, isn't it? It is. We've got, we've, I mean, yeah. If anyone from Ash listens

to this. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. Well, indeed. Yeah. Sorry, but actually people like listening

to this. Or Mecca bingo. Yeah. Or people that play golf. And I'm going to bring it back to

football in a minute. So I'm going to tie football to this album. Yeah. What else do I not

like? Oh, I don't like loads of stuff. It's brilliant. I like, the thing is, as you get

older, you're like, it's easy. When I was younger, I used to like everything. Yeah. Yeah. I like

that. I like that. It's great. It's brilliant. Now I'm like, it's, it's dead easy to find

stuff you don't like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. I love it. I love it. I don't

like it. Yeah. Do you know what I don't like at the minute? A lot of, I don't like the

way Amazon send me things in two large cardboard boxes. Yeah. You know, when you order something

little. Yeah. And you think, oh, I'll get that. Yeah. And then it arrives in a cardboard

box the size of a house. Yeah. And then all of the paper, you know, why did you do that?

Yeah. It's a lot of waste, isn't it? Why did you not send me a smaller box? Yeah.

Something like that today. Yeah. And then, well, yeah, I could go on. I could go on. I don't

like the way my kids steal all the treats in the house. Yeah. Do your kids do that?

Yeah. If you get like any kind of treat in there, you don't, you hide it somewhere new.

Yeah. And they find it. Yeah. And eat it all. Yeah. Yeah. Don't like that. Um, uh, Lidl

have got a new enchanted sweets pack, which is like for vegans. It's very good. Is it?

Yeah. Lidl. Yeah. I think it's Lidl or Aldi. I can't remember which one I like now. Might

be Aldi. I like both of those actually. Yeah. I like, do you know what I like about

them? I've got no idea what's going on. And as I walk down the aisle, I'm like, I don't

know. You know what I'm saying to me? And you're like, oh, there's a Kit Kat. I know what that

is. Go in Aldi. Yeah. And it will be like, I think, I don't know. I don't know. I'll have

it. Do you know what I mean? And it's like a voyage of discovery. You never know whether

you're going to come out with like a welder or flip flops or some chocolate. Yeah. It's

a shame they don't sell records. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Get on the Aldi. Yeah. Source

it. Sell some vinyls and CDs. Yeah. Oh, and eight, not eight tracks. Oh, mini discs. Oh,

yeah. Yeah. Get on the mini disc thing. Yeah. Yeah. It's got to be campaign to bring that

back. Mini disc. I like mini disc. I do. I was like, it sounded crap. I didn't realise

that mini disc was analog. No. Is it not? No. No, it's not. Which one's analog? No. Mini

disc was digital, but it was an inferior format to CD. I do know what I'm talking about.

Okay. So it's not mini disc. It's laser disc. Laser disc. Laser disc. No, a lot of people

don't know this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, so everyone thinks that laser disc is like a big CD.

Yeah. Yeah. But it's analog. It's far more like vinyl. Vinyl. Yeah. It's like a record

player. Yeah. But with a laser rather than a laser. With a freaking laser. Rather than a

thing. Right. That's got nothing to do with this album. Should we do facts? Yes. I'll do facts.

I'll get my fact sheet. Right. Facts about 1977. Released 6th of May 1966. 1996. I was

going to say that. I was like, well, that's history. That's right. I can't. What's difficult

is if I put my glasses on, I can't quite. I'm holding it slightly too far from my face. So

6th of May 1996, UK. I don't even know whether this was released out of the UK. I've only

got UK release dates for it. It's an interesting sounding record. It got lumped in with Brit

pop. So they got lumped in with Blur and Oasis and all of that. So it's kind of big hooks,

big pop melodies, pop punky. Yeah. Very indie-esque, I think, in places as well. Like the kids got

behind this, didn't they? Oh yeah. Absolutely. The thing is, I suppose the other one with this

is that, this is a strange one, but it was the kids were their age. Yeah. So it was like

they were all mates, probably. Not that they weren't friends, but it was like their mates

got famous. Like Arctic Bunkers when they came out. Yeah, of course. There was this whole

youth thing around there. But this happened with lots of, but like Metallica and stuff

were the same. Okay, yeah, yeah. It was like, there was that, like the track

Batteries about a place they all used to go to and used to play. And the kids were all

the same age as the bands. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's where the scenes come from, isn't

it? Do you know what I mean? That's where the scenes come from. Anyway, 42 minutes

long, number of tracks, 12, Infectious Records with a record label.

Recorded in Rockfield, we've already talked about. Produced by Owen Morris. The name 1977

came from, that's the time in the year that they were born, but also because of Star Wars,

which is excellent. And obviously that TIE Fighter sound kicks off the beginning.

It's like the new Star Wars stuff.

Uh, I do, but it doesn't feel like Star Wars. No. So like Star Wars to me is those first

three that were, so the first three. Yeah. And then there were the weird three where they

had Jar Jar Binks in and stuff, which is still Star Wars, but it's a bit shitty. Yeah. And

then there's the new stuff, which is Star Wars. And I quite like it, but it isn't Star Wars.

Yeah. Does that make any sense at all? Yeah.

Even though it's all in different order and stuff. And it's because the first, the first

movies, that was the first thing I saw at the cinema. Yeah. Star Wars. Yeah. And I've been

a massive fan ever since, but those first few, there's just something about like Princess Leia

and Han and there's just something about that and Darth Vader. There's something particularly

it's about that bit of the universe that is Star Wars to me. That's the bit that is, is

important. Yeah. Yeah.

I like that. I didn't like when they remastered those either.

No.

Isn't that weird?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Bringing your computerizations into that. They should, it was, yeah, it was brilliant the way

leave it, leave it. Yes. Yeah.

Where did I get to here? Oh, Tim Wheeler, who is the main songwriter for Ash, said that

Goldfinger is the best song we've ever written and the best words I've ever written, which I

think is really interesting. I'd probably agree a little bit.

Move closer, set my mind on fire

Taking over

The world seems so alive

The world seems so alive

She slips into the night

And she is gone

Gone, set the score

Gone to the town

Rain shining in your eyes

Her brother started school

Again today

I fought to pass the time

To occupy my mind

While I'm waiting for her

Down in the basement

Listening to the rain

Thinking things over

Thinking things over

I think it over again

Thinking it over again

She slipped into the night

And she was gone

Gone, set the score

Gone to the town

When trying to dream in her eyes

Been trying to dream in the lies

The world was starting school

Again today

A fourth pastime

To occupy my mind

While I'm waiting for her

I'm lighting it down

I'm lighting it down

Listen to the rain

I'm lighting it down

Listen to the rain

Listen to the rain

She'll be here soon

I'll lie back and drift away

I'll lie back and drift away

I'll lie back and drift away

I'll lie back and drift away

She's sitting to the night

And she was gone

Gone, set the score

Gone to the town

Re-chiming in her eyes

I'm lighting it down

A brother's starting school

Again today

I'm far too pastime

To occupy my mind

While I'm waiting for her

I'm waiting for her

I'm feeling so high

I'm feeling so ill

I'm a stormy night

The rain's coming down

When I've never before

I've got some records on

And some bottles of wine

I'm a stormy night

The rain is lashing down

And we're waiting for her

I think we've got good songs

And we're good live

And we're just good really

It's because we came from such a small area

That gave us a determination

To try and go on to bigger things like this

Yeah, we still love touring actually

We probably love it even more

I don't know, Planet Gates is probably the best

Seeing people's reaction to yours

Two girls from Japan flew all the way here

And she met them outside

And she met them outside

Yeah

So I got them passes

Goldfinger is our best ever song

According to some people

I am one of those people

And it's

I am as well

Yeah

I sort of miss the recording

Because we haven't been in the studio

For like nine months

So

But we really do like it

You know, both equally

So the band were teenagers

When they recorded this

We talked about that a little bit already

So they were kind of 18, 19 and 20

Incredible

Which is incredible

There's a lovely bit in the interviews

That you were playing me earlier

Where they were talking about

Recording this stuff

In like half term and stuff

And you just

I don't know why that's weird

But you just think how

Yeah

Yeah, I think it's incredible

They go and do the school stuff

Then they go over to the studio to record

School again

Yeah, yeah, exactly

And I think

You know, inspiration of the band

They were

You know, inspired I think

By a lot of the British heavy metal

But then really kicked off by like

The 90s

You know, Nirvana

And Teenage Fan Club

Yes

And they're kind of those

Those kind of big

Big things

I guess

That's what would have influenced

The kind of big pop hooks

And stuff that

That landed in there

Which was really cool

The band

The band

Themselves were

Tim Wheeler

Lead vocals guitar

And did most of the songwriting

Mark Hamilton

Bass guitar

And backing vocals

And then Rick McMurray

Who did the drums

Which was

Which was pretty cool

The

Financing

The album

There were rumours

That the band

Like stole money

Or found money

They found money

And

Yeah, it's really interesting

Like it

I found a really cool thing

From Mark Hamilton

Just saying

Look, I

I don't remember

How

And where

And all that stuff

But you know, the reality is

It was probably a lot more mundane

Yeah

Than that

But there was this kind of urban myth

That they like found

The money

And that's where they

Or they got it to

Which I think was

Quite cool

As we talked about

The album recorded

At Rockfield Studios

Famous for Queen and Oasis

Owen Morrison was

Was bonkers

Which is great

And then

According to Mark Hamilton

Owen Morris

Encouraged the band

To embrace imperfection

And spontaneity

Which I think comes through

On this record

Hugely, yeah

So this meant the recording

Was some

Whether it was done

In one or two takes

The band borrowed gear

From The Verve

That's great

Because they would have been

Ah, there we go

There's a strings thing then

Ah, yeah

I bet that's the strings thing

Because that would have been

Bittersweet Symphony

And all that lot

Can we have that?

Yeah, yeah

Let's do good

Yeah, because The Verve

Would have been recording

At the same time then probably

Yeah, I think so, yeah

And then it said

So, for example

Kung Fu

Was written in five minutes

And recorded in a single take

Using The Verve's gear

Can we talk about Kung Fu?

Just for a minute

Oh, yeah

We can do

The cover

The cover

I really like that

So, Kung Fu

Was this kind of nod

To like 90s

It was a nod to like

Kung Fu movies

That they really liked

Martial arts films

And like followed

Like 90s pop culture

And stuff

Again, written by Tim Wheeler

Supposed to have been written

Really, really quickly

Notably

At Belfast International Airport

And recorded in one take

Using The Verve's gear

Lyrics reference

Bruce Lee

Jackie Chan

And even the X-Men

The cover art

Features Eric Cantona's

Infamous Kung Fu kick

Which led to

The bemused

Eric Cantona

Writing to the band

To the band saying

I spit on your record

Yes

Oh my god

Oh my god

Oh my god

Oh my god

What for ya

Oh my god

Oh my god

Two, two, one

And Johnny Wong

I'm making strangers

Friends of whom I met you

And he thinks he loves you

Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh

Oh Daniel Sam

Made in Taiwan

Come on, Jackie Chan

Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh

Oh my god

Last night Jackie Chan came round

A plate full of pen

But we are now

Mystery Aggie the X-Men

Calling for a while as well

I'm making strangers

Friends of whom I met you

And he thinks he loves you

Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh

Oh Daniel Sam

Made in Taiwan

Come on, Jackie Chan

Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh

I'm in the middle of this world.

Shadowhead, killer, killer, killer, killer, killer.

I'm in the crowd, Bob, come to movies.

Shadowhead, killer, deadly road.

I love those women when they quit drinking clothes.

Oh, I think it's strange.

It's random, blue, man, too.

And it thinks it knows you.

Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

Oh, damn it, Sam, made it entire well.

Come on, check it down.

Oh, oh, oh, oh.

I think it's strange.

It's random, blue, man, too.

And he's in love with you.

Oh, oh, oh, oh.

Oh, damn it, Sam, made it entire well.

Come on, check it down.

Oh, oh, oh, oh.

So I love the fact that Eric Cantona went to the trouble to take a right to them.

It's a great story that is.

I love that.

Spit on your arm.

Is that, what would you, I'd frame that.

You would, wouldn't you?

Yeah.

Do you think you would?

Yeah.

I can imagine they would have, I can imagine that would have absolutely made their, they

would have been like, this is the best thing ever.

I wonder what he's doing now, Eric Cantona.

Is he dead?

Not dead yet.

I don't know.

I don't, I don't know these things.

Don't like football.

I did.

He was a bit, it was a bit of a hard case.

Yeah, it was.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He used to beat people up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I quite, I quite like that.

Yeah.

Anyway, guess how many copies it sold?

I don't know.

Cause it, did it, I imagine it kind of spread late around sort of Europe and maybe the East.

It was platinum, platinum in the UK, which is 300,000.

Wow.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Considering the gazillion billions that we've talked about for some other albums, all of

these UK albums, because they didn't break, you can see why they wanted to make it out

of the US.

You know, if they made it in the US, then they'd have, oh, they might need to break out of the

UK.

I've got lots of other albums.

So Nuclear Sounds, 98, Free All Angels, 2001, Meltdown, 2004, Twilight of the Innocents

in 2007.

All of those were graded.

So either silver, gold, platinum in the UK.

Yeah, yeah.

I don't think any of these got released out of the UK.

Wow, wow.

And Charlotte joined them later, didn't she?

Next album, yeah.

I think Charlotte joined in 98, I think for Nuclear Sounds.

Yeah.

Other albums in 1996, which I think you're going to like.

So Everything Must Go by The Manic Street Preachers.

That's funny.

I was going to interrupt you ages ago and say that's the one we should do next.

It's going to be a good one, that one.

And then Pinkerton by Weezer.

Yeah, that was good, yeah.

Life is Peachy by Korn.

Great.

It's really early for new metal starting, isn't it?

But I think that's kind of where it starts.

Antichrist superstar Marilyn Manson, Evil Empire by Rage, Load by Metallica.

Roots by Sepultura.

Right, that's my favourite one, yeah.

Down on the Upside by Soundgarden.

God, where everything must go next.

Yeah, we could definitely do that, couldn't we?

We're Wales, aren't we?

We're Wales.

We're in Wales.

Yeah, we should definitely.

Well, these guys were, oh, I suppose we're in Wales for Rockfield, aren't we?

Yeah.

Sorry, I've got, it's gone quiet because I'm itching my eye because I've got hay fever.

I've had my antihistamines, but I've still got itchy eyes.

Yeah, yeah.

What's that all about?

Antihistamines?

Well, hay fever.

I don't know.

I don't like that either.

Add it to the things I don't like.

Rubbish.

Also in 1996, it was the first Ozfest tour.

Really?

Yeah.

KISS reunited with their original line-up.

Slayer released Undisputed Attitude.

Yeah.

Alice in Chains played their last concert with Lane Staley.

And Van Halen briefly reunited with David Lee Roth.

Wow.

Big year for Rock, isn't it?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Mega.

What else?

Singles off this album were Goldfinger, Girl from Mars, Kung Fu, Oh Yeah, and Angel Interceptor.

It's a lot of singles.

Yeah.

And they're all good ones as well, aren't they?

They're all bangers.

Like nowadays, it's kind of like you get these teasers, don't you, released before the album.

Didn't get that so much back then.

You did a little bit.

You might have had one, and then you'd have had like one that would have been out like a month before the album dropped.

And then the album would come out, and then you might get one or two afterwards.

But yeah, I think unusual to see so many.

And yeah, I think because they were so strong.

They were singles, don't they?

It's an album full of that kind of, there's big hooks and singles.

What else did I want to talk about in my facts?

Oh, touring and promotion.

So touring for 77 was relentless.

They were on TV and all of their, you know, all of the things.

But they went out, they did 90 shows across the UK, Ireland and Europe in 96 when it was released,

which is huge.

I think it's a huge amount to do in that time.

They played Glastonbury, Reading.

They supported U2.

They played with Oasis and Supergrass.

I just imagine that as like 20 years, you know, 18, 19, 20 year old.

Yeah, yeah.

Doing that, which is just mad.

One highlight was the Reading Festival performance where Kung Fu was recorded live for a special single release.

Cool.

Which is, they used to do a lot of that back then.

Yeah, I remember that, yeah.

Where they would do a bunch of that kind of stuff.

Yeah, that's quite common, wasn't it?

Five things.

I think we've covered all of this stuff already.

So, album title is from Star Wars.

Eric Cantona did not like them using his picture on their single cover.

Kung Fu was written in five minutes and recorded in one take.

And then Sick Party, at the end, the final track is a recording of the band Vomiting at Rockfield.

Which is very cool.

Midi, it's been, their tracks have been used.

Just to say, there's one thing about that.

Yeah.

Where it might back up my story.

Oh, yeah.

Rather than the ones on the internet.

Yeah.

And that's because Nick's name's referenced.

It does, yeah.

It says, oh, is Nick Press Record yet?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Nick Bryan engineered that album, so.

He engineered the vomit.

I'm pretty sure it lines up.

I bet that's a highlight of his career, isn't it?

Do you know what I mean?

You know, when he's all retired, what was the best thing?

Oh, it was recording Ash Vomiting.

But, you know, I can imagine him kind of moving those microphones back a bit.

Do you know what?

They don't need to be that close.

They're picking it up, lads.

They don't need to be in the vomit itself.

Reviews.

Everyone liked it, especially the indie press.

So, the NME, the All Music and the Q Magazine, all the indie crew absolutely gushed over this and absolutely loved it.

And you kind of can't imagine anything else, can you?

Do you know what I mean?

Young kids writing music like this.

It was properly, it was like fashionable, wasn't it?

It was kind of, they were right on the money where they, yeah, where they should have been, I think.

That's kind of it for facts, although I did want to call out they're still releasing records.

So, if you like Ash and you've kind of got a bit disconnected from them, it's worth going into your streaming site of choice.

Still working hard.

Yeah, and checking them out because they've got new stuff.

Yeah.

And that's over for fact.

The direct connection with fans, you know, there used to be, like the press used to be, sort of destroy bands in a weird way.

Like, and it's so annoying, like you'd have interviews where you'd get like misrepresented or, you know, the journalists would make, often make up quotes, just, you know.

And nowadays, you'd have Twitter, you could just write, I never said that, you know, you can, you can, you can talk directly to your fans, yeah.

It's, which is quite cool.

Um, and I guess, yeah, that's, that's a really nice thing.

I think resilience is very, very important.

You've got to just persevere, really, all the time.

Uh, you know, just believe in yourself, persevere.

Yeah.

And be, uh, you know, things are changing so frequently now, you just have to, I guess you can't have two fixed ideas about how you do things.

Yeah, roll with the punches, it's like things, things change so rapidly at the minute.

I mean, I think probably the only thing that will never change about the music industry is people love a great song, you know.

Yeah.

You know, something that's got to stick in your head, and it's like, that's kind of the only thing you can do if you do that, you know.

It's like, I think, and try to be different, you know, it's like, you know, David Bowie dying just reminds you, like, you know, there was real, you know, so many characters, you know, being successful in was kind of a lot to do with how, you know, how interesting your character was.

And things have got a bit bland, like, recently, so, I don't know, I think we need more, uh, craziness, and, yeah, like, labels want people to co-write a lot, and I think it's important to develop your own voice, and, you know, no one, no one had to do that back in the day, you know, all these great songs were often written just by, by the band themselves, so, I think, stick to your guns, you know, I would like to see more of that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, individuality is the one thing that will make you stand out, you know, it's like, those rough edges are what make bands interesting, so, try not to lose them.

Do you remember a time when you were going from Mars?

I don't know if you knew that, oh, it's there, they're playing cards, and you were into them and cigars, and she never told me her name.

I don't know if you knew that, oh, it's there, they're playing cards, and I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing.

I don't know if you knew that, oh, it's there, they're not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing.

I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing.

Searching through the darkness over the moon it's red, electricity in the air, testing all through the night on the terrace, and now that summer is here, I know that you are almost in love with me, I can see it in your eyes, trains like you know you'll never see tonight, and it almost blows my mind.

As I look to the stars, I remember the time when you were born from Mars, I don't know if you knew that, or was everything called to me, brain-tuned and cigars, but she never told me her name, I still love you to go from Mars.

As I look to the stars, I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing.

I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing.

I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing, but I'm not going to be a good one thing.

Today I sleep in the chair by the window, it felt as if you'd returned, I thought that you were standing over me, when I woke there was no one there, I still love you girl from Mars.

Do you remember the time I knew you were from Mars? I don't know if you knew that. Oh, I stepped in that car to me, winter and cigars, but she never told me her name.

Do you remember the time I knew you were from Mars? I don't know if you knew that. Oh, I stepped in that car to me, winter and cigars, and I'll still dream of you. I still love you girl from Mars.

That's another thing that I miss. What do you miss?

You know when they fade out at the end? Yeah. And there's like, you can hear the room and the studio and there's stuff going on and things are echoey and fuzzy and little wiggly bits and talking and that doesn't happen. Everyone cuts it. It's all pro tools.

I think it adds to the authenticity of it. Do you know what I mean? I think it definitely adds to the, the fee, it adds to the feeling of being there, you know, of it being like, like records like, um, uh, hysteria or Brian Adams, you know, that they're so perfect.

There's not a second on those records that is not like been agonized and listened to a hundred times and refined over and over again.

And they're great records. Yeah. But you don't get the feeling like you're there. You don't get that attachment. Whereas I think this is one that you do, you know, you kind of get the feeling you often get that I think for, for, for like debuts that weren't, that they're not expected to go crazy.

You know, the way they've not, um, not absolutely, um, polished them to, to pieces. Um, I don't know. I, for me, I quite like there's something about those records that is like, to me is like more appealing.

It's got this, um, certain appeal to it that is, uh, don't know. And again, it's like that time capsule thing.

You kind of get a fee. It kind of feels like you're, you know, you're, you're, you're a part of it. Yeah. You know, so I've got, I've got a frog in my throat. So what do they call it? What'd you call it frog frog frog? Okay. I'm going, I might be getting a cold. Oh no, don't do that. I might die. I think, I think it's just my hay fever. If it used to be from hay fever, right. And right. And how do people contact us? Cause there's lots of people listening. I have no idea. So just like go on the socials thing. Yeah. The best thing. Find us on X, right.

We're on X. Uh, we're on Facebook. Yeah. Um, Riffology. Riffology. Iconic albums, podcasters. Yeah. Just search for Riffology. We'll, we'll, we'll, we'll come up. Yeah. That's what we do. Or you can email us at info, info at riffology.co. You've never said the email address before. Have we not? No. Info at riffology.co. Yeah. That will, that will get to us. Um, that's probably it really. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you like that, you could probably write to us, but I don't know how you would do that.

i like the idea of getting a letter yeah don't you you're getting a nice letter i only get letters

from like vision express telling me i'm overdue a bloody eye test or the blood people telling me

that i need to go and do blood giving i sometimes get letters from the government

no because i write them for my day job and then they tell me how i'm wrong oh i don't like that

i don't like i don't i don't like letters yeah they're never good are they no you never get a

letter saying you know oh do you know what have a day off go and have a kit kat you never get that

it's always like oh you've got to go and fill a form in or yeah you've not done this properly

yeah i'm gonna charge you more for your thing i don't like that at all so i don't like letters

add them to the list yeah we should add that we should have it i might create a t-shirt of things

i don't like letters football golf yeah do you know what i did like this week as an aside i went to uh

royal derby hospital all right i like that i like hospitals i don't know i like that i did i went

with my my mum had she's had her eyes dealt with yeah cataracts okay so she's had some to a man

scrape her inside i don't yeah it's something like that um anyway she had that done like a year or so

ago she had them both done and she can see now so obviously that's really great yeah yeah but me and

barney and uh my mum went and she had to go in and have a um uh see a doctor man yeah about her eyes

and he went yeah they're all right you can go okay and then we went to to costa and had a cup of tea

yeah uh and barney loved it because he got cake yeah and then we mucked about a little bit got a bit

lost yeah you know you know that rock and roll yeah yeah rock and roll um and yeah it was not it

was a really nice like a like a trip out lovely it's lovely yeah yeah so i like that yeah so if

you get a chance to go to that's the place to go royal derby hospital it's great derby hospitals yeah

um so we yeah we've these are these are generally lasting an hour and a half now that's bonkers isn't

it yeah you know when we started this we were like we aimed for 30 minutes yeah

30 minutes and then we then we stretched it to 45 yeah and now we're into like a week

oh it's mad absolutely people listen to it yeah it's crazy people listen to the post and thank you

for listening it's not it is nice it's nice to know that people are listening uh um while we're doing

that if uh the stats tell me that the number of subscribers we've got yeah have gone up oh very

good thank you for that's great but now subscribe like give stars tell your mates word of mouth

yeah so with 30 27 of you yeah that listen to the show are subscribed yeah which means the rest are

not yeah so sort that so do that so we'll wait while you like we did like it worked really well last week

so we'll just wait while you wait a minute wait yeah find the star button there we go press the tap

thing say that so you will now be subscribed hopefully yeah and that's brilliant so so thank you for that um

that really helps it's the youtube hi guys yeah really helps the channel if you could put stars

then so now now you've done your subscribe if you can now do like a review and then all you need to

write is like dead good so stars top stars proper banging yeah top stars and then dead good and then

that'll do it and then just you know send send the link to your friends riffology.co

i'm just looking i looked on we had um

we've got 17 five star reviews that's great isn't it isn't that good isn't that amazing yeah that's

fantastic 17 people yeah have taken their time yeah yeah i think that's well thank you for you 17

yeah that's lovely yeah i'm sure one of them's mine

you copy and paste and yours and my mom's and anyone else is like yeah just go on give us a

five-star review yeah but it's um your mom's probably spelling won't be great because she's

getting her eyes fixed so yeah she's great do you know how mad she's of that generation she can't see

yeah but literally she's and after you have you go and have your cataracts cataracted what's that

it's something to do i don't know it's pressure in your eyes and you have to have

like uh they're like drill yeah so so it's so it uh there's like a they drill a hole in the back so

it equalizes the pressure really anyway oh i know i don't know i don't know i know she told me all

about that i've got them stigmata eyes i don't know what it's called

isn't that to do with like being crucified yeah yeah yeah but the one i've got is where you one of

your eyes is like slightly misshapen i don't think that's called stigmata stigmatism that's it

stigmata oh my god all the jesus crew will be they won't like that oh won't they they won't

they'll be on you they'll be they'll be do they have voodoo dolls they'll have voodoo dolls

a little voodoo doll of you um uh but anyway so she this is where my mum is right so she she goes

this is what she did last time yeah she went to the hospital a man they put um like a special

liquid in your eye so we can properly go and poke around oh yeah no i had that so i had something

thrown at me when i was a kid a rock and then the rock exploded in my face my mate's mucking it out

and you know rather than throw it just through a mud ball you realize it's basically rock oh and then

it smashed into my eye and then just like exploded in my face and went all in my eyes and i had that i

had to have different colored things yeah they were worried it'd scratch my oh to clean it all yeah you

did that that's the word that's possibly the worst day of my life because i don't like things going

in my eyes anyway when i went to spec savers and the uh and the and the lady was like she's like oh

should we try contacts like do a like a demo we're trying or whatever yeah so i sat down and the and

she was lovely she was so nice and she was so kind and calm and she went near my eyes to do the um

to do the thing and i did the thing where i was like if you if in my brain was going if you don't

move away from my eyes i am actually going to probably have to punch it so i said this this

this isn't for me this one we're not going to do this oh god can't do it contacts swaddling coat man

punches um anyway so my mom right she's in she's had the liquid in which which is like a

anesthetic thing for your eyes yeah you can't see yeah so after you've had that done can't see

at all she then drove home yeah yeah got about three quarters of the way back realized that she

was a danger to herself because she was swerving on and then came to my house and stayed stayed there

for like a few hours until then i took her took her home but this time she was like i've got to go

and she said i don't you know i i was a bit dangerous last time yeah yeah but it's that

generation is that she's a boomer generation it's that generation of yeah you can't tell me what to

do yeah i mean you you don't tell me what i can you tell me not to smoke i'm gonna smoke you tell me

i'm gonna do it you know and she's like that she got the thing through saying you can't can't drive

home after she's like i can

and she tried bless her and you're like she got back she got a good way though didn't she

you could have had an ankle what if you killed somebody or what you know what yeah yeah sure i didn't

you know like it's like you know i mean just like having a conversation with my 10 year old yeah

i didn't say that

so can you go and pick your socks and pants up off your bedroom floor and he goes yeah and then i go

up there and there's like t-shirts on the floor yeah and you go why do you not pick them you didn't

tell me to do that what just like his grandma yeah there we go it's dead hard being a grown-up

isn't it yeah it's all right i don't fancy it i'm not into it actually i don't like it don't like that

either no no no rubbish i like that t-shirt is it the t-shirt um uh would say it's like you know

the kind of the reviews for being a grown-up when it says like rubbish wouldn't two stars

rubbish wouldn't recommend yeah i forgot that's why we do this in it that's why we do this

i've totally forgotten where we are what we do oh no we're finished now i mean full on yeah yeah

we've done we've did it we've done ages ago are we yeah yeah brilliant so uh shall we shall we do one

then and yeah so we can do everything must go by mannick street preachers it's another album i've never

listened to all the way so i know they're big singles from it yeah yeah um and i quite like i quite

like mannick's i quite like um they've got i like the um they've got a nice guitar tone i think

it's fantastic it's lovely isn't it yeah he's another person i'd like to like have a rattle

with yeah it's like knowledgeable nice man knowledgeable yeah but i like that so i'm

looking forward to this one because it'll be a nice chance to dive in because it's one i've not

really not given enough time huge songs i think and again because this you know this time this period

of time there was so many there's just so much stuff you had this stuff from the uk you had

the there was still big american like heavy rock stuff happening and and there was still like

you know sepultura and you'd got corn and you'd got then you'd also got you know kind

of the alt rock scene still it was just so much cool stuff happening yeah yeah it's it's a wonder

we ever got time to do anything yeah do you know what i mean and then even by this point i was still

you know you would have still been listening to albums that were released 10 years yeah yeah you

know i would have still been listening to ride the lightning which was 84 yeah uh you know actually

going back to british steel judas priest british steel and um yeah it's mad isn't it yeah when you

think about it like that even by this point there was still a lot of there's just a lot of

fighting for your time didn't have youtube by this point though no that's why then yeah we had

lots of lots of stuff happened because youtube wasn't there no brain rot yeah that's what the

is it the gen alphas call it brain rot brain rot you know when you when you if you're watching the

youtube and that the shorts they call it brain rot i don't know what my generation we got told that if

you'd have square eyes yeah yeah yeah and look at us now both the glasses i've got something to show

you have you i'm gonna i'm gonna show chris right i'm gonna get chris's reaction live on air this is i

don't think you i don't think you will have ever seen one okay i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna

ease it out of my bag look he's got the thingy the apple thingy it's got the apple vision pro

thingy shall we play with it yeah definitely tonight can we do it yes tonight yes i will say

it's not mine it's not mine i've nicked it from work yes oh yes let's play with that that's good

right love you bye love you bye

Thank you.

I'm the star of the show, shall I just be able to stick here?

I'm watching this from a safe distance.

Yeah, got to tell us when, I need to know when to piss.

I feel like I could be sick any moment now.

My knob's really small.

Thanks for sharing that with us.

I'll have to piss.

Is Nick going to give us a nod or what?

No, it's fucking recording.

Come on.

Come on.

Come on.

Come on.

Come on.

That's fucking amazing.

Come on.

Come on.

Come on.

Come on.

That's fucking amazing.

That's rocking to be sick.

I don't know.

Come on.

Come on.

Come on.

Come on.

I'm going to keep quiet.

Come on.

Come on.

Come on.

Come on.

Come on.

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Hold on, hold on, hold on.

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Keep it up.

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Hold on, right?

I wanna get more up.

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Hold on, right?

Come on.

Go on, finale.

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What a guy!

What a fucking guy!

I can do it, I've got more.

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Holy shit!

It's tough tonight.

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Check out the jumps.

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Oh, fuck, I won't come up, hold on.

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Join in, Tim.

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Holy shit!

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Holy shit!

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Fucking hell, you're the sickest guy out of it.

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Oh, Lee, come on, don't do that.

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Fucking hell.

Oh, that's gross.

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That's fucking amazing.

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What a brilliant fucking song.

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I can't do it, I'm not feasting

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It's a nice night for a walk.

Yes, I would say that.

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- What a concept.

- I'm trying to close.

- Oh, what a time we've had.

- Oh, what a time we've had.

- Oh, what a time we've had.

- Oh!