RIFF050 - Gun - Gallus

mythology i'm getting used to these now good they're singing and that and if i'm doing them

right they're kind of a little bit in key a little bit in key yeah is that what your music teacher

would say that was a little bit in key yeah yeah that's very good yeah might be slightly wibbly

slightly wobbly but we're okay we're nearly there wibbly wobbly that was steal your fire by gun gun

i love this album we are doing the gun album gallus gallus you are neil i am chris this is

riffology this is our 50th birthday it is this is our 50th birthday this is our 50th riffology

which is a lot isn't it that's i mean you know we're not we're not known for our consistency

i think we are known for our consistency now i think i think maybe out other than this yeah

other than this no consistency yeah just this yeah and i think we only come because we have fruit

pastels and coke thank you lindsay lindsay gave us fruit pastels what tell lindsay what happened to

the fruit pastels so i was at a gig last night at rock city today's saturday we're doing a saturday

recording and last night we were gigging at rock city um and lindsay came all the way from scotland

again uh and brought like listens to the podcast and understands the um the ritual around fruit

pastels and coke zero um and um gifted us with a bag of fruit pastels which lasted approximately 15

minutes uh because i was going to save them for today and bring them today for us to have as as part of a

thank you you know to to lindsay uh but instead what i did what i did was i took them to the merch desk

which is where my wife and children were doing the merch for the gig and um they thought that i brought

them over for a gift as a thank you for them to do the merch

so they ate them inhaled them yeah they do it my i i have a 10 year old and a 14 year old

and my 10 year old eats everything like a little fly he's like so you'd like give him a bag of like

fruit pastel yeah he'd still be eating it three months later like do you know what i mean like

my 14 year old yeah you could give him a cow yeah and then you could dude where's the cow oh i ate it

sorry uh sorry it just inhales it doesn't chew yeah yeah yeah no chewing just

and we'll sit down to eat dinner there'll be four plates four plates of food yeah and he'll come sit

down and i'll look at my plate and i'll look up and his is empty wow and he goes you're in a pudding

growing lad that's what that is he is he's very much a growing lad being inhales food and so we've

had to go and buy anyway we've had long story short we've had to go and buy a standing packet of lindsay's

fruit pastels yes which we've got now we we were going to lie and say that we're actually in the

fruit pastels from last night but that's that's you know we've got it we've got to tell the truth

haven't we really it's not it's not as good a story either so i like i like that and also because

we're on audio no one can see so we could be actually lying anyway you might not have any

pastels what a thing to lie about lying i'm having free pastels my boss used to say the truth shall

set you free neil oh really is that what it is yeah it's a lot so you have is that because usually

usually after i'd broken something or i'd confide in saying i've done this thing

well the you know that thing i said was going to be great i don't it's not i don't think it's

going to be great and it would be that the truth shall set you free

anyway we're doing gun yeah gun are from scotland yeah we did a poll and we followed the results of

the poll we did yeah i was going to do this one anyway so i'm really glad that regardless of where

the poll was going to go it's going to be this one

they are one of my absolute favorite bands and i it was when i did the poll i was thinking i don't

i don't know what it is about gun that made me like just fall in love with them but i do now

yeah yeah and it was it was 90 this album came out in 92 31st march 1992

um and that made me 18 yeah yeah yeah and so i was uh trundling around the country looking at

universities and i remember going to um oh god it wasn't i did i went to hull we talked about going to

hull university so i actually went back to hull and set it on fire with a soldier and iron

years oh yes later yeah yeah that was a good story preston i swear i was at preston university

and i'd gone to an open date there and so north you like you wanted to go north i don't know you

wanted to go up yeah i don't know what i don't know because i went to sheffield i went to sheffield

university and i went to preston university because that's a bit north as well they're all northern

aren't they yeah i did i do know it's not it's only just occurred to me that i didn't all of the

universities i went to look at were northern yeah i don't know why that is yeah um anyway i went i

remember going to i think they get cleverer as you go up that could be true yeah it could be true it's

definitely true yeah so and i went up to preston and um i'd got this album okay i listened to it in

the car all the way there and all the way back and there is something that i wanted to talk about

because um it again didn't really occur to me at the time and probably didn't occur to me for a long

time but i absolutely fell in love with this album there's a track called steal your fire the single

and the single is what i heard on the radio which made me go and buy it yeah yeah yeah um but there's

this lovely bit here where it just says and i was really kind of um i'm not really sure whether i want

to go to university no one in my family had been to university nobody i knew had been to university

yeah all of my friends were working in in factories or they'd gone to work they're so similar yeah

they're working like locally and i was just like i don't know whether i'm going to fit in i don't

know this is this is me kind of thing i remember it was to the point where because i went to college

yeah like i became like a butt of a joke like i don't know what that was i don't know yeah because

everyone went just to get just left school and got jobs all of yeah all of my mates had got like

like astra gtis yeah yeah or gte if you were dead rich yeah they've got some really flash cars at

this point um and i was like uh i'd got i was literally cycling everywhere so i've got no money

and uh and anyway that my lecturers were saying you should go to university you know you you're good at

this you should don't go and do it and i wasn't sure and the lyrics to this song there's a bit in

there where it says why don't you do it why don't you go and then there's a bit where it says can't

let this chance pass me by i can see it for the first time wow and it was folks you're quite

literally yeah i don't think i realized at the time but i just i mean i probably had this this would

have been on cd i think in my car um and i would have been yeah i mean it would take me preston's

miles away yeah i remember it being a warm warm sunny day um and just just like driving forever and

listening to this like way too loud um and then uh yeah i mean it's one of those things where

you know this this record has kind of always been with me it's kind of always been it's part of that

time in my life that was a change it was change it was a time of change and i was it was me and i was

completely on my own yeah um and i actually ended up at university in derby which is like i could throw

a stone to it from where it's still up though yeah very slightly slightly up yeah so it's still

northern uh still more intelligent than uh where i was when i started um but yeah it was weird like it

was this is one of those albums that was just with me yeah yeah like throughout and the one that came

before it as well so they did taking on the world which is like that debut right i just love that record

again it's one we talked about debuts in the past but there's more they said more i'm saying said

more i i think they they had more to say yeah yeah um on that record this one i think is their best

record i think this one the songwriting i think the riffs the melody i think the lyrics i think this is

just like absolutely phenomenal and then they did swagger afterwards which had got that's the one with

word up on it yeah that's the kind of really big yeah but that one's got i think the production's

better on there but i think the songs are better on yeah on here so i'm super pleased that everybody

picked gallus um because it means a lot to me you know i had never traveled to europe i'd never seen

the different cultures you know in america and different parts of you know different countries and

things and so i think this album is more a kind of international appeal you know there's tracks on a record

like higher ground you know are welcome to the real world which is uh is more of a kind of international

appeal to i mean people from europe have the same feelings of ambition you know or um you know things

like that and you don't have to come from glasgow to sort of feel those natural things i really like gun

you've just found some new new information that links us nicely between this week and last week's

show i did i was looking for something else i was looking for um like uh vocalist changes and members

of the band and stuff because they like the first few albums were pretty solid and then then things

changed up a bit lineup changed and stuff and as i was skimming through past members there were a few

people that i noticed um one of them was mark kerr now mark kerr uh if i'm looking i've lost a bit in

my notes um um oh i was gonna say he was from texas but that was stuart kerr okay stuart kerr's in

there as well honestly honestly mark kerr and stuart kerr anyway um it's in the band texas yeah okay

right not the country i did when you first said i thought your state your state yeah yeah not country

yeah um anyway um i spotted my man toby jepson there he is and i was like no way is that toby jepson no

way is that uh toby and uh in 2008 he did a load of touring with them so he did a guest appearance

with them at a charity gig in glasgow i was gonna say that came up on last week's podcast

this this sort of support in them but and then he uh contributed to the gun ep pop killer and then

they did a tour extensively after that and then he left in 2010 to focus on uh solo stuff yeah and then

wayward sons and ah right and the solo stuff was where the fm thing came in as well wasn't it

yeah he did a lot of stuff with a toby went uh yeah because i think little angels toured with fm

yeah um and then i think they were they they've been uh really good strong supporters of toby over

the years so yeah i'm not very good at time you might have figured this out already

yeah you know like way time the time way time works yeah like chronology yeah not really my thing

it's just all mushy in it everything's now so wibbly wobbly timey wimey that's what the doctor

said yeah yeah wibbly wobbly timey wimey um i wanted to say that we've we've um crossed paths

with gun i don't know if you remember that milton yeah yeah you were do you remember that gig i was

there to shoot you guys yeah yeah with a camera and i went and took pictures of gun instead

because they were in the bar they were doing an acoustic set at the bar so i kind of snuck off and

yeah they blocked us in with their van oh yeah i remember yeah yeah yeah come on come on gun

we need to go home they were fantastic you guys were quite good as well but they were mega they were

it was just them in like this um it was crawford arms yeah that's it the crawford arms yeah so we

were in the sort of venue we were in the big bit yeah and then they were in this like tiny little

back room yeah where they were just doing acoustic stuff um and yeah they were they were mega it was

ram and it was just full of sweaty men yeah it was it was baking hot wasn't it it was in august or

whatever it was baking hot that i always remember the crawford arms they've got that um a nintendo

guitar you know that um yeah they've got like a they had a snes made into it yeah yeah it's a weird

green room that was i liked it i like i like they're actually an actual room it was it wasn't like a

cupboard with it was like it was like being in someone's front room wasn't it yeah it was cool it

was like it was just like you normally they're pretty sad places yeah it's actually like quite cool

yeah um but anyway yeah they were they were good i um shot a gun with a camera uh at is a nuneaton

see when you say that it doesn't make sense to me nuneaton's not nuneaton's not a geeky kind

of place it's not so so nuneaton from us yeah it's sort of down a bit down and across down and

across if derby's up and across yeah nuneaton's down and across it's a sad place nuneaton i think

it's one of those places it's quite old-fashioned but not in like a pretty chocolate box no it's more

like a 1970s prefab yeah yeah yeah stoke yeah no one ever says anything good about stoke um i quite

like stoke but it's not it doesn't feel like it's not that is it is it's a bit like it's like big

it's like driving around the outside of a prison isn't it they um um who oh slash is from stoke

isn't it and robbie williams are from yeah yeah and neither of them have got anything good to say

about stoke so and i like that a lot i think that's funny i i was just thinking about stoke as like it's

just a road stoke is a road road where you're going up north yeah if you go into where where would

you go from from there manchester yeah if you're going to manchester airport liverpool um

it's yeah it's uh what's the university is leak leak leak yeah yeah no it's not leak is it leak

what's the there's a university at the end i don't know crew got a university crew has it's got a train

station yeah i don't know if it's got a universe i've never been to crew university yeah that yeah

that that part of the world for me is a bit gray the minute i'm not spending a lot of time there i was

once invited to give a talk at manchester university and got into a stand-up fight with a car park

attendant at the university did you punch him out properly do you know who i am

did you did you play it not quite almost like i'm like i'm like five i'm i've got five minutes to go

and do a big talk yeah yeah yeah and you're arguing with me about where to park in your car park that's

not got enough spaces so you make me a space and i'll move my car

and then and he was like i shall get the dean

go and get the dean go and get dean then see if i see what dean says see if i think he thought i was a

student i was like see if i care just see this is my bothered face i was in a proper stroppy mood

it was hot everyone looked very you know when everyone looks really young yeah yeah and it makes

you feel really old yeah that's bad that makes it loads worse i was like i'm in a bad mood wasn't

prepared obviously anyway but imagine it was a lovely place manchester university i drove through stoke

um there you go but anyway yeah so uh toby jepson on the uh ep pop killer the thing i like about gun

is that it feels like they're like they're all they're all on their a game yeah that's the whenever

whenever i hit anything the gun have put down i always just think these lads are on it like they're

they're not they're not they're not just winging this this is really like well well crafted with a

great confident energy energy to it there's like a um it feels purposeful it's full of like pop hooks

yeah it is but there's like this rock and roll swagger to it there's definitely that yeah it's

like this there's this kind of um attitude that i just love and it's this it's not an attitude like

guns and roses had a like an fu attitude yeah yeah yeah like gun have got a um you can't it's loads

tight this is loads tighter but this is like you can't tell me what to do actually you know i'm not

here to cause a problem with anybody i'm not i'm not here to set fire to things i'm not going to that

but you know i i'm i'm feeling empowered to go and do stuff yeah yeah and that's what gun always

because like the whole there's a whole thing around gun to do with boxing yeah yeah yeah well

that's what it's benny lynch on the cover yeah i don't even know that is i don't know anything about

boxing was a box like a 1930s and i don't know i don't know boxing very well and i but i did make

some notes and i can't oh uh because yeah because they they um yeah hang on i did i did make a note of

this somewhere uh so um benny lynch born 2nd of april 1913 died 6th of august 1946 he was a scottish

professional boxer widely regarded as one of the greatest flyweight flyweight fighters of all time

born in the gorbals working class district of glasgow uh he rose from poverty to poverty to become

scotland's first world boxing champion wow um so yeah he was he is still like revered in in scotland's

you know scottish yeah like a hero kind of thing yeah yeah yeah as as as an athlete from from scotland

but yeah um and the thing i was sort of gonna get out there was like there's this idea about because we

sometimes have it with with riding the load because paddy's a big boxing fan he is there's a lot about

training and yeah like everything's like getting in the ring and getting on it and i remember paddy doing

journeyman yeah do you remember yeah and then he like physically over that two years he changed from

but he was like absolutely like fit as you yeah he was absolutely ripped wasn't he just incredible

the training and stuff that he went through so i think there's a thing about that that that

i think gun have got this in their music as well this idea of like that that's that's a really like

lean rock and roll like like cut like like really tight kind of there's no frivolous stuff this is

it this is yeah yeah yeah little angels let's yeah they had the big bad horns and they were building

building on it in in a in a good way yeah yeah but like gun is yeah all the facts cut out

it's rock and roll it's yeah yeah but it's solid as a rock all of it is nowhere to hide i suppose no

no you've got no and all like the vocals are fantastic like every everyone's playing is on on point

like that like they've been in like they're ready to go in the ring that's what it that's what it feels

like to me anyway i might be you know conflating there with a few different ideas but you know just from

that from just you know listening to some of these interviews we've been working with and things um

there's there's a little bit of that going on listen i've been coming to this club since 1982

i've seen all the pros the amateurs everybody come through and everybody within our boxing

community knows we followed him as a musician he done really well but see if this guy stuck to what

his real skills were which is in the ring this guy would have been at least world champion if not

undisputed world champion undoubted i'm telling you that is a fact but it's

it's maybe a little bit too late in the day now but this guy would have been the scottish rocky

marciano without a doubt ready so what are they like live because i expect yeah they can do it like

they can really do it you know i well that's a really great question because um the band i saw yeah

were fronted by dante he was the bassist for these albums okay but all right so mark rankin was the so

mark rankin sang on taking on the world gala swagger and 01416 blah blah blah blah yeah um and then dante

took over after that and so did he leave yes right and i don't think he i don't think he did i don't

know i might be i don't think he did anything after that i think he was just done yeah um now the band i

saw in nuneaton yeah was with dante not with mark rankin yeah so i i don't know but they were great i saw

them and they were phenomenal they were um you i would i would say um they they knew exactly what

what to play and where do you know i mean it was a well honed machine a lot of people found you know

when they listened to the first album they thought gun yeah i quite like it but you know i'm not really

sure if it's rocking or a lot of people came to see us live and you couldn't believe you know that it was

so so hard and so sort of heavy sounding and then i think that changed it helped convert a lot of people

you know but um this this record on on tape it sounds louder you know it's a it's a heavier

louder sounding record and live the band are heavier than ever so you know that's what i would say if

people hear this record and you know that it's slightly interesting come and see the band live because

live is just a straight rock and roll band you know it's well sort of heavy and loud live it reminded

me actually of you know you see robbie williams yeah yeah play yeah um he's got this like innate

he just knows what to play and how to get the yeah how to get the audience on on his side kind of

yeah and and gun did the same thing so they've got they've got such even off these first three records

yeah they've got a complete records worth of absolute bangers yeah massive massive singles

um so they were doing like a mixture of uh like i would say like slower acoustic stuff yeah yeah and then

these like massive anthems yeah and a bit like when you see bon jovi everyone knows every yeah

yeah i mean these are very song righty albums to me there's a lot the lyrics are as bigger part of the

record as the the riffs and the melodies and you know everything else so um yeah it was incredible

that was really really cool it's a lot of beer as i remember flying and as a photographer it was like

you know i i was there was a lot of ffs right because there was do you know what i mean it

was just like beer going everywhere and i was like jesus christ i'm gonna have to go and get my

spray everything with switch cleaner when i get a beer out of it but um and it was

right selling selling camera gear when you sell it and people come along and say what's it been used for

mate and you go oh just not much just just just birds yeah just like flowers in the back garden

and of course mikey is like literally rock and drenched in beer and stuff so i'm like

do you have to kind of clean it so it doesn't stink but um the camera that i shotgun with definitely had

beer in it a lot of beer in it so did i i covered in it but they were cool they they um they had support

from a dude called chris barris right that name rings a bell as well i've never known that name he's

dead good yeah dead good he is what kind of country rock and roll right right um but again another guy

who can absolutely just do it yeah he was like um yeah just full of energy like in in the middle of

noneaton in you know not in an inspiring no no environment and they put on this massive show that uh

i want to say it was called the queen's hall or something i'd have to go and look it up um but it was

so good it was i mean it was like you know when you see it and you think oh it's in noneaton yeah

yeah yeah that's going to suck yeah yeah and then i got there and i was like oh god it looked like it's

awful but then the sound was brilliant the pump was brilliant and it was just they put on a brilliant

show so yeah don't be put off if you see bands in noneaton if noneaton still exists

go and do it because they were great and i loved it i to be honest i had a really really great time

everyone was really friendly um like the green room that looked about the size of the toilet

there wasn't the green rooms that i know about yeah yeah and uh yeah they were they were they were

super cool but yeah they were a really cool live experience you know it was one of those where it was

it was more of an experience than uh um you know like going to see like um

what yeah it was just like going to see bon jovi where everyone knows every word to every song yes and

everyone sings along and the band know it so there's a lot of space in the set for them to

have you yeah engage and be part of that yeah yeah that kind of show but it's not it wasn't forced it

all felt really um really cool i i loved it i might i might remind myself and go and look up the review

what i wrote about it but um that would have been for louder than war i think but uh but yeah no they were

really cool oh and it was a pleasure to see him and listen to you know here there's a to be honest that

probably kick-started my love of gun again yeah that would have been 2019 yeah i think um it was

just before everywhere started shutting down okay yeah um so yeah i i i absolutely adored that it was

brilliant and and it's a long time ago now that oh god doesn't it doesn't it you know when you just

sort of think that that that era where that that covert stuff happened it's it's quite in the past now

isn't it yeah it is i mean what we got like we it was 2025 yeah yeah so in five years time

yeah yeah it'll be you know a decade yeah i wonder what they'll do what if they'll do like a little

do you know what i mean

what what do you do what do you do to remember when everyone died

did it yeah yeah it just suddenly reminds me of um was it

oh he's gone was it radio six your bbc radio six when they had their

they're like they're banging and then prince philip dies do you remember and it's like this kind of

absolute banging drum and bass and then it just stops and it says uh prince philip has died

oh god is that real yeah it is but i'm gonna find it can't wait because i've got to find it i've got

to find it now it's got to go in buckingham palace has announced the death of his royal highness the duke

of edinburgh dreck and that was a dare dreck and they were like you've got you've got to say it mate

you've got it or do you reckon they flipped a coin who's got to make that who's got to make that

announcement i can just imagine it's dance anthems right so there have just been kids in the studio

like banging having a having a mad one aren't they and then and then someone will have said oh

we've got to do something what do we do do you know what i mean yeah and then like we can't just

stop it you can't just stop the banging tunes because there'll be a real downer

i know we'll just tell everybody and then bring it back up yeah i i remember when margaret you

were margaret thatcher stepped down i was in the i was in the library um doing doing some maths i

think and a deadly quiet and the library librarian literally it was deadly so it was always silent in

there and the librarian just kind of came out she went an announcement no way and i was like what i don't

care just go away the iron lady not so iron i don't know i don't know i'm doing calculus go away

i'm busy yeah i'm busy go i don't makes no difference to me go away

but yeah they go no i did it's one of my favorite moments of uh bbc radio and they should be super proud

an achievement it was the thing that does it is it's not that it's not the uh buckingham palace

it's the fact that there's like a perfect pause and then it comes back in on yeah it comes back in

properly on beat like uh do you know what i mean like if you imagine the dj going and then he spins

and then

i loved it um when i found my uh my my piece in louder than war about gun nuneaton queen's hall and

there's a few things that i need to correct about my story first of all um reading my own words it

was lancaster university not preston how far are lancaster and preston apart though they're both up

they are one's just a bit more so it's slightly i went to slightly more up i went to both um and it was

the third i've written in my own words here uh the 3th of november 20 2018 and i think that's what

should be called i think three is loads better than third it is third doesn't make any sense way better

you can tell we didn't have a i back then all of the spelling mistakes uh it was the 3rd of november

2018 at queen's hall in nuneaton um uh support from chris the what was called the chris barris band

at the time okay um and i wrote that uh chris barris was awesome i also wrote that i had covered gun the

year before because they supported black star riders and i'd forgotten that yeah yeah yeah so there you go

that was in 2017 so ah in another interview we we got um which we didn't use anything from they

told they spoke about that did they yeah 14th march 2017 rock city i covered them with uh that would

have been your man ricky warwick okay yeah yeah off of the almighty and then uh i mean the black star

riders is essentially thin lizzie with ricky warwick at the front yeah so i was dead excited to uh to go and

uh go and see them and support was uh was good um which partly would have been why i went i think

yeah yeah yeah um yeah so where was this thing recorded because the sound of the studio the sound

of the oh that's a good question recording is absolutely like unreal like all the gun stuff all

the gun stuff that the sound of it is i don't know it's just it's punchy but you can hear absolutely

everything there's nothing in the wrong place so it's it's a bit vague if i'm honest it talks about

uh it being recorded in glasgow but i couldn't find like a definitive venue like a recording uh

yeah definitive venue of where it was actually done so um if anyone knows let us know yeah yeah um

but yeah somewhere in glasgow i would who was the other scottish band that if you if you that was

almighty that was your mind she wasn't yeah yeah yeah so ricky warwick yeah and who uh where did they

ever do that where did they do it yeah do you remember where they did that i don't think they

recorded it in class because i sure was the power station was that when they went over to the power

station i think they might have done let me just have a quick look on on my i'm going to go on to

i'm going to say i'm going to say they do the power station then i'm going to do riffology.co yeah

because that's our website and i'm going to look at this so it's like marketing and yeah

explanation at the same time almighty yeah and then um so you can all do this with all

of your favorite bands you can yeah you can go on have a search i've spelt the almighty wrong

uh we did soul destruction soul destruction was recorded at trident studios in london

oh they came down to try it was it that went over to the power station then uh uh uh uh might that

have been little angels could have been yeah don't know interesting now the making of young gods

uh unless i've got more fairview that was in hull oh no yeah i remember i was talking about that willoughby

you know i'm making it up okay that's good we like that um so yeah uh well it doesn't yeah i i i

couldn't i couldn't find like it's weird i found like a bunch of studios referenced for it but not like

hey this is this is where it was done this is totally where it was done so um uh but yeah but

it has got an interesting sound to it i think yeah i think so yeah that's what i was trying to get at

um uh but it's weird it's got like this it's it's a simple it's a really simple sound but it's like if

you if if you tried to go into a studio and recreate that sound your dream was how hard it is yeah yeah

it's it's it's it sounds really simple but there's nowhere to hide um and like everything sounds

sounds really good um it's done by kenny mcdonald the um producer um and interestingly this it landed

really well listed gallus um 92 would have been but the thing is 92 it would have been up against

big stuff yeah yeah there might have grunge essentially grunge would have been at its peak

so but it did pretty well i think this got to 14 on the new album charts um but they've never skied it

have they gun no swagger did so yeah yeah with um word up was yeah that was the big thing so they

came off the back of this and if you imagine this did really well i'll say really well this did pretty

well and then you had word up and then and obviously then that that drove uh uh sales of um

of swagger which was a weird album i thought i quite quite like bits of swagger and the production's

really great but it's it's got like rap and like like jazz almost it's weird um not in like a bad way

but like no no they were on the third album trying stuff out yeah but it's a little bit like like gun

for me that i kind of want my big thick hard rock music that's what i'm expecting i'm not expecting

strings i'm not expecting you know trumpets yeah i'm not expecting a choir do you know what i mean

that's what i'm not expecting from gun i'm not expecting um like weird stuff yeah it's just rock and

like some bands straight up rock and roll yeah some bands you're thinking like i i don't know what i'm

going to get here you know you you switch the album one every new album from them you think it's going

to be you know i wonder what like skunk and ante are a bit like that yes i'm never quite sure which

direction you're going to go in yeah um but they've just got a new album actually yesterday yeah oh cool

yeah they released a new record yesterday which is which again it's quite cool i think it's quite a cool

record but again like a a reinvention if you like of where yeah new thing new yeah it's not there are

bits on there that are similar to before and bits on there which is good which is good and that i think

they've probably done it right then haven't they and that you know you you you're not put off by that

that's not a thing yeah you kind of tempted in you kind of know what you know okay with skunk and

nancy that means that they'll be pushing some envelopes again yeah that's kind of part of their thing

yeah you yeah there is definitely an amount of that i can imagine it will put some people off

yeah it's not it's not kind of paranoid and sunburnt or yeah yeah whatever but it's um yeah it's

interesting but i think with with gun swagger to me just felt a little bit after the first two records

it was a little bit i don't know what i'm not sure about this you know i mean there were like

probably four songs on there that i i thought were great and then four that i thought i'm not i'm not

really sure no where this is i'm not really sure what this is kind of thing um and and you know so

that the direction changed a little bit i think as the industry changed as well you know um but yeah

i suppose not unexpectedly you know they they and then came off the back of swagger yeah and then found

that the the not only had the industry changed it had gone yeah you know i mean there was nothing

underneath them anymore there was no like hard rock if you think about the hair metal and then

you had the you know like in the uk i think we so we they had hair metal in the 80s then i think this

part of the early 90s in the uk was kind of this hard rock like hotbed there were just some brilliant

albums that were here here in the uk that you i don't think get talked about enough um you know and then

you had um you had grunge and then you had like kind of the old rock yeah scene um and then and then

the world kind of went like all like limp biscuit and corn and so these albums kind of dropped and there

was the audience there wasn't a rock thing was that it was the it was metal or kind of yeah like the

audience had kind of gone it was it was i mean there was an audience there still but nowhere near as

as many that that i guess that casual audience had kind of british rock had become kind of

indie really hadn't it become radiohead it became yeah yeah yeah i hadn't thought about that yeah

yeah no you had it it's weird it kind of it had moved on hadn't it by the second half so no one

really wanted this sort of stuff anymore over the decade yeah it just kind of chewed on and that

i mean imagine being in in a band like that where you're trying to figure out what to do next how to

be important how to be yeah yeah yeah you know how to be noticed and stuff you know you're conscious

of the fact that people may forget you people you know people like things to be constantly in their

face and so uh we just sort of try to write the best songs we could write and come back with something

that uh you know hopefully will help bridge the gap you know people if they hear the album and they

like it then you know to me it doesn't really matter how long it takes as long as you come back with

something strong and something that you feel happy with

some people laugh for it some people die for it some people rest your life don't do time for it

love child come wild come off your mind so what do you say don't be afraid of it just take a chance on it

watch what you say and never be a fool for it wrong side of the white lines look at your face it may be open

it's just a place in a private street it's just a soul on the open road it's just a part of a losing game

it's just a part of a losing game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a soul on a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

it's just a part of a lovin' game

tell me why you lied to yourself

tell me why you run away

i believe in what you're sayin'

i'm just waitin' for the day

take a look at all those people

lookin' at the number one

livin' in the future

livin' in the past

everybody out there

can you hear me

can you hear me

can you hear me

can you hear me

can you hear me

can you hear me

i like that one

i like any of any songs

yeah

that do that kind of like

riffy cowboy thing

you know like we do with

riding the low with tommy hawk

that kind of

yeah yeah yeah

like it's got a kind of

yeah yeah it's got that sort of like

i don't know what you call it

like it's kind of country rock

stampy country rock

but heavy

like big everything

foot stampy

yeah yeah yeah

yeah i like that

very good

um i've discovered that it was

recorded in park lane studio

in glasgow

do you know how i figured that out

go on

you're gonna like this a lot

so i have um

the first album on vinyl

but i don't have this

and this is my favourite

yeah

so i thought i'll go on discogs

and have a look

and you know on the back of the

i found

they're not

a picture of it

yeah they're not expensive

these albums to

to buy like some of these

albums back from the early

90s just cost a fortune

they're like you know

a hundred pounds for a

record and you just like

get lost

but some of these are like

10 12 quid

oh cool okay

i'll have that very much

yeah yeah

um on the back of it

it says recorded in park lane

studio

there we go

so that's where it was

recorded

so scratch me saying

i couldn't figure it out

now you have figured it out

yeah imagine that i said

that it was recorded

in park lane studio

um was recorded

by um

um

uh where i went

it was recorded by

kenny mcdonald

yes

he said that name earlier

what else did he do then

uh well he did the

debut as well

okay okay

yeah yeah yeah

and he worked with texas

ah

so

the band

not not the

not the state

not the state

no

no

there you go

they were good

they were texas

yeah

they were a bit

rockier live

they were glasgow

weren't they

yeah like you know

when you hear them

on record

yeah

and you watch them

live go oh

they were they were

quite rock

quite raucous live

yeah yeah yeah

yeah no i liked them

they were good

you can see what you want

but it was nothing like that

no

live it was like

brr

just like that

that's what she did

charlene spateri

brr

death metal

texas

i like that idea

yeah yeah yeah

that'd be dead good

we could like

merge napalm death

and texas

that'd be dead good

that's kublai khan

isn't it

oh god yeah

who's

oh god

one of the

um

one of that lot

i've got a new record

and i love it

is it tala

anyway i just

absolutely adore it

it's fantastic

um anyway

um i was gonna say

the approach

for recording

was to encourage

spontaneity

and push the band

to deliver performances

with grit and conviction

we made the first record

you know we were

i was like

17 18 years old

and i was 19 20

you know

we were young guys

we'd never done it before

and we were sort of

quite naive

on this record

you know we did all this

to him

and uh

we sat down

we wrote some songs

that we were really happy with

and we recorded them

in a

in a far more confident way

than we'd ever done before

you know we knew

we knew what we could achieve

in this record

you know and we'd go in and do it

i'd go in and i'd do vocals

and then i'd say you know

i can sing better than that

and go back and do it again

until i got something

i thought yeah

that's the best i can do right now

you know

and the songs as well

you know

we wrote something like

18 20 songs

but only 10 of them went in the record

because there was only 10

that we felt

were strong enough

to go on the record

band to me

sound

a lot like

like live

they sound a lot like

these early albums

yeah

yeah

um

yeah and i think that's

i i don't know

i think there's a

again

that's all

that authenticity

sounds easy though

doesn't it

it sounds so easy

but it's not

it's so

like loads of bands

sound totally different

and lots of people will say

oh

it's because

you know

they can't play live

they can't play good live

but it isn't that at all

it's because the

the songs in almost all cases

will have been

like crafted live

yes

yeah

and then

and it's the recording

that's not right

not the live that's not right

do you know what i mean

it's like the live show

is the live show

and that's what the band

sound like

yeah

um

and i think we've

we've you know

just speaking about

riding hello very quickly

but that's the thing

we've always had

to the point last night

where you know

there's one of my friends

chris harding

who's come in and doing

the front of house

mixing for us

yeah

really clever guy

lovely man

and he's you know

he's been spending time

with the records

and then he's experienced

it live and gone

oh no no no

that's that

it's that live thing

yeah yeah

that's the thing

for this band

you know

i've always said

to you guys

that for you guys

the live

that live experience

that's what it's about

it's that you sound

like a rock and roll

band in live

on the studio records

it's too polished

for me

often in bits of it

it feels like

it's like

that's not

the ride in the low

I know

do you know what I mean

the ride in the low

I know is kind

of this

like big

guitar band

and often

on the recordings

it's got that

it's become like

almost indie

like a little bit

yeah

yeah yeah yeah

it's like tame

do you know what I mean

it's kind of had all the

it's had all the danger

taken off it

do you know what I mean

whereas in the live show

it's a bit

whoa this is

where's this going

kind of thing

this is a bit

you know

so yeah

I don't know

I think some bands

just don't translate

very well

or actually

the reality is probably

it's a lot harder

than it sounds

to make a band

sound

like their live show

in a studio

yeah

I mean you'd think

it would be

oh we'll just play it

live in the studio

yeah yeah yeah

it's weird isn't it

yeah it's much harder

than it sounds

so yeah

some clever engineers

and producers

I think on this one

and I painted a lot

of sort of

images in people's heads

like you know

lyrics like

poor men

left with nothing

yet rich men

wanting more

so ask yourself

a question

what are we living for

you know

that doesn't state

one way or the other

it just says

we'll think about it

you know

and we've got all this

time on our side

and there's no looking back

welcome to the real world

hard red balls

in a cold night

four walls

closing in

standing still

in the future

outside looking in

don't know

what to turn to

don't know

what to do

nothing ever changes

I'm a red to turn

and blue

I see it on the streets

I read it

in the news

I get this feeling

maybe

I'm being used

but I've got

all this

time on my side

there's no looking back

welcome to the real world

and I've got

all this

time on my side

there's no looking back

welcome to the real world

five birds bright in the distance

don't know who to trust

stars fall down like a message

sent from heaven above

so pour that lip and dust down

the rich man want more

and I ask myself a question

say what are we living for now

I know the faces

I know the faces

but I know the names

know the cost of losing

girl but I

I play the game

cause I've got

all this

time on my side

there's no looking back

welcome to the real world

cause I've got

all this

time on my side

there's no looking back

welcome to the real world

welcome to the real world

and I'll see you next time

and I'll see you next time

and I'll see you next time

next time on my side

next time on my side

next time on my side

next time on my side

so

so

so

I'm hanging out of promises

welcome to the real world

cause I've got

all this

time on my side

there's no looking back

welcome to the real world

cause I've got

all this

time on my side

there's no looking back

welcome to the real world

cause I've got

all this

time on my side

there's no looking back

welcome to the real world

yeah I've got

all this

time on my side

there's no looking back

never gone back

never told that

never gone back

yeah I see

I like a fade

and a guitar solo

me too

I like a fade

like a guitar solo

I like a

quite a bit in the middle

yeah

I like all of that

I love

I like track 7

to be a bit ballady

yeah

cause that's the end of side A

yeah

I like

do you know what

and then an anthem

at the end of side B

I really like songs

that start with a guitar solo

yeah

I'm a big fan of that

I'm a

I think you know

Oasis made it really popular

again didn't they

but I like that kind of thing

you just start

and have a

widdly widdly

guitar a bit

yeah yeah

I think no

yeah but

so

like an album now

when you stream it

it's a one body of work

straight line from start to finish

it is yeah

I like it when they've got

little movements in them

so you've got like

three songs

which is like one concept

and then they've got

a little bit of something else

and a bit

so they've really thought

one day each

yeah

but there's like a narrative

you know

there's like something going on

where it's like

I don't know

it's been curated

let's say

do you think that's been

lost a little bit

yep

because I

I remember

um

like albums

would

they have

I think everything's rubbish now

I think

but albums

albums have like a

like a

a personality

yeah

do you know what I mean

like

and

a lot of that is to do with

how it starts

and how it finishes

and kind of

how it ebbs and flows

absolutely

it's a body of work

it's an art piece

it's a curated piece of work

yeah

but

so I went to a gig

and I was playing

and I was doing rubbish covers

and um

I've done

I've done all the usual ones

that you do

that everyone starts going

yeah you know that

yeah

and then someone came up

and says oh can you play like

and then listed

new people

yeah

um

and I had to tell him

new people

from like 2006

yeah

never heard of a mate

sorry

yeah and I sort of said mate

like

I think

normally new music's awful

I've hit

I've hit that point

it's that line from the

hitchhiker's guide

isn't it

have you seen that

that there's a

I'm gonna

I'm gonna find it

so I get it right

but it's basically

anything that was invented

like anything that was invented

before you were born

is fine and normal

and anything invented

before you're 30

is exciting and new

and you can probably get

a career in it

and everything

that's so true

anything that's invented

after you were 30

is against the natural order

of things

that is

it's that line

it's interesting

it's the line

of 30 years old

yeah

where everything

everything then

so when would that

have been

12 years ago

what was that

what's the maths

there

what was 12

what was 12 years ago

so that's

what is it now

25

yeah

that's 15

yeah

and then minus

two more

yeah

2013

yeah

so anything

after 2013

is awful

that's true

we played in small clubs

we played in larger

even theatres

into arenas

and then into stadiums

so we've played like

right across the board

and all the different

sort of conceivable shows

you know

we sort of

gained a lot of experience

doing that

and something that you know

that will stand us in good stead

for the future

you know

because

also playing to so many people

and gaining that kind of

that kind of

respect really

to get the stones thing

a lot of people looked at that

and thought

you know

why did you guys get it

you know

it's great to sort of

look back

and it's something you'll never forget

to you know

having done

but you know

that was then

and this is now

and the only thing

in our mind right now

is getting this record out

and getting out

and going back to clubs

you know

and trying to

build up

the fall on again

doing with this band

we're good at

putting a couple of hundred people

you know

and that's what we'll go out

and do

right facts

it's a fact time

it is fact time

I'll go through

my fact sheet

so released on

30th of March

1992

although I will point out

that we get beaten up

on social media

almost every day

for getting

release dates wrong

people get very excited

they like time

people like time

don't they

they do

they like time

and dates

yeah

if you get them wrong

there's very definitely

kind of an ADHD

Asperger's-y

thing there

where it's like

no that's not

that's not the date

this is the date

and I just don't care

well I mean

it's not I don't care

I don't care

but I like

is it the ballpark

it's fine then

close enough

time isn't even real

30th of March 1992

is what we're going for

album title is

Gallus

which is Scottish slang

oh here we go

because I didn't know this

I was going to ask this question

yeah

what does it actually mean

it means bold

or cheeky

oh cool

I'm sure Lindsay is going

no it doesn't

you dickheads

chucking fruit pastels at us

something like that

apparently

but that's what

Google told me

which was interesting

50 minutes 16 seconds

long

that's a good laugh

don't think it was

remastered

which is a good thing

I don't think it needs

to be remastered

it sounds great

that sounds great

isn't it

10 tracks

none of them are too long

which is great

it was on A&M Records

what's too long

go on what's the threshold

for too long

5 minutes

it's just getting warmed up

5 minutes is like

you're just getting there

I say that but like

there's a lot of

Metallica tracks that I like

of Master and

Justice that were like

3 hours long each

5 minutes is about

intro isn't it

that's for me

it's just for you

yeah you're like

oh it's just getting

started now

it was recorded on A&M

recorded as we've

discussed at Park Lane

Studio in Glasgow

yeah yeah

produced by Kenny

McDonald

it was

let me go down to my

engineering bit down

here

it was recorded by

Al Clay

now Al Clay

worked with

the Pixies

and I think

you can kind of

hear like the Pixies

have got that

no nonsense

you know

just kind of

straight up

do you know what I mean

there's no

weird stuff going on

in there

and I think you can

kind of hear a little

bit of that in there

so I think

although

that's really

interesting isn't it

isn't it

I really like the

Pixies

yeah

they're really cool

yeah so

and then yeah

so it was

it was produced by

Kenny McDonald

he did

taking on the world

before it

and he did Texas

we'll come back to

Texas in a minute

because there's a link

between

Texas have come up a few

times haven't they today

they have yeah

I think again

because they're from

Scotland

yeah

but there's another

link as well

which I'm going to

get to in my five

things

okay cool cool

yeah

so there you go

they wanted

to make the

the album sound

they wanted it to

sound like Glasgow

on a Saturday night

that's kind of

where they wanted

to get to

they didn't want

they felt

it's interesting

they felt that

their first album

was too polished

yeah yeah

I'd like to play

King Tut's

in Glasgow

King Tut's

Wawa Hut

yeah

yeah

that was Oasis

wasn't it

yeah and I'd like

to play

these are

well

Shepherds Bush

Shepherds Bush

Bush Bush Bush

Bush Bush

and Norfolk

Voodoo Daddies

ooh

yeah

yeah

yeah

yeah

yeah

yeah

talk it

I mean

I've never managed

to get in touch

with a number

from King Tut's

so if they're

listening

yeah

like

right

please

let's do a gig

yeah the band's

called Riding the Low

and they love to

come and play

yes

or you could have

us we'll just

do it live

we'll just be

me and Chris

going up

with no idea

what we're doing

for an hour

that would be great

right

so

albums

from

Gunn

and the producer

so taking on the world

was Kenny MacDonald

Gallus was Kenny MacDonald

Swagger was Chris Sheldon

now that's another name

that rings a bell

yeah

now

where is my list of things

that Chris Sheldon did

here I go

here's my list of Chris Sheldon things

so

he did Therapy Trouble Gum

he did The Almighty Crank

he did a bunch of Shed 7 record

Feed Us Polythene

which I think we should do

that's a great album

let's do it next

I was going to do

we could do it next

I was thinking we could do

Wild Hearts

okay

Earth Versus

okay

next

yeah

let's do Earth Versus

and then

then Polythene

then Polythene

that's two weeks of planning

but then

but then

here's some other things

right

so then you've got

he also did Foo Fighters

the colour and the shape

wow

that's a great record

that is

it is isn't it

that's the one with

February Stars on isn't it

yeah it sounds lovely

he mixed it

he didn't produce it

but

yeah

I think it sounds really good

I'd like to be good at mixing

yes

I'm not

I'm not very good

I could do recording

yeah

I'm not very good at mixing

I think this is the problem

with musicians

because they can't

they're all a bit deaf

they are genuinely

they're all a little bit

every musician I know

they're all a little bit deaf

it's true though isn't it

they're all like

what

turn it up louder

I mean it's what you'd expect

from musicians

I mean if you think about it

just being slammed in the ear holes

by massive caps all the time

so

he also did like

all the Biffy Clyro albums

Black and Sky

Vertigo of Bliss

and Infinite

oh god

they're so good

I like Biffy

yeah

who did that

Chris Sheldon

yeah

wow

Ruben

oh my god really

very fast

very dangerous

does he still exist

Chris Sheldon

I'd like to talk to him

he's good

so he's done the last

he's did therapy records

in 2018

yeah

therapy's Hard Cold Fire

in 2023

and he did Shed Seven's

Liquid Gold in 2024

so he's definitely still around

he's out doing bits and bobs still

he is yeah

very very very cool dude

I think

and yeah

clearly very talented

and then

there's a bunch of others

they did 0141632

6326

in 97

then they did Break the Silence

I liked Break the Silence

it was kind of a resurgence

so like 97

and then there's a

like a massive gap

like a 15 year gap

until they did Break the Silence

which I really liked

Frantic

I thought was really cool

Favourite Pleasures

again was really good

and then the Carlton Songs

in 2022

and then Hombres in 2024

which was done by

Simon Bloor

the records from 2012

to 2022

were all self-produced

okay good

there was no market

for what they were

there was no market

for what they were doing

there's been a bit of a resurgence

I think

in kind of hard rock

and that kind of stuff

so

so they were out

on their own

self-producing things

yeah

yeah yeah exactly

but I think Hombres

I mean for me

like 2024

that has to be a

if you're not

if you're a Gunn fan

and you've not listened

to their stuff

kind of since the 90s

Hombres from 2024

I remember when that

came out

and you said that

you said like

you've got to listen

to Gunn's new one

it's unbelievable

it has to be up there

it was like an album

so is that Dante singing

still

yeah yeah yeah

it has to

for me it's got to be

there was that album

a potential album

of the year for 2024

it's really really cool

other stuff that was

released in 1992

which again talks to why

like Grunge

Grunge was really popular

but in the UK

that hard rock stuff

was still

yeah they were still

knocking about

yeah yeah totally

it had like a little bubble

that existed

where it didn't exist

and it was subculture

it definitely wasn't

mainstream

but you know

I mean maybe

maybe Terror Vision

kind of broke through

it a little bit

yeah

they got a bit more

mainstream

Terror Vision and Wild Hearts

and stuff

but yeah

generally there was

like a hard rock

undercurrent wasn't there

yeah there was

it was

yeah

but I think that's

coming back

that's why you wanted

to do this

scene in the show

wasn't it

you wanted to do

a few episodes

because we've got

a few listeners

over in America

that probably won't

know this stuff

I think there are

people outside the UK

that will have never

heard of this stuff

and yeah I don't know

I just thought it would

be nice to shine a light

on it

and we'll have to have

a look at the stats

at the end of the year

we'll see a big dip

where everybody just

turned off

but other albums

from 92

Adrenalise by Def Leppard

Fear of the Dark

by Iron Maiden

Angel Dust

by Faith No More

Countdown to Extinction

no did we do Angel Dust

no

or did we do

I thought we did Angel Dust

I think we did

we did both

we did Angel Dust

and we did

oh yeah we did

real thing

yeah from Out Nowhere

epic

yeah

all of that one

yeah

anyway

Countdown to Extinction

by Megadeth

Dirt by Alice in Chains

Whipped by Faster Pussycat

Psalm 69

by Ministry

wow

Images and Words

by Dream Theater

Core by Stone Temple

Pilots

and Vulgar Display of Power

by Pantera

obviously most of them

were American

bands

so

there was still

this stuff was still

kind of happening

in 92

still kind of big

big rock and metal bands

were going through

but in like

yeah

in the UK

we were

we were still

kind of very hard rocky

wow

yeah

which was pretty cool

other interesting stuff

from 92

that I'd forgotten about

James Hetfield

yeah

was hospitalised

after Pyrotechnics

went off

near him

and he got pretty badly burned

oh gosh

I'd forgotten about that

Body Count

released a track

called

Body Count

Cop Killer

I'd forgotten all about

Body Count

and that was

that was like

just that was

proper controversial

yeah yeah

you don't do that

yeah

that was

that was

pretty crazy

and then it was

the Freddie Mercury

tribute concert

as well

in 92

and I'd forgotten

about tons of that

as for singles

from

from Gallus

Steal Your Fire

that was the big one

Welcome to the Real World

and Higher Ground

yes

one of my favourites

is Watching the World

Go By

the last track

and it's fab

but hopefully

we're going to end

with that

because I absolutely

adore that

I think it's fantastic

the album's built on

themes of resilient

struggle and pride

I think it's interesting

the tone difference

in lyrics

yeah

between the

debut in this album

it's a little bit more

it's a little bit more mature

I think this one

which is a

yeah

quite a nice thing

promotion for Gallus

was extensive

so they did

they did tons of

like

MTV stuff

I was going to say

it's a Henbagger's Ball thing

that was knocking about

yeah

they did

they did tons of stuff

they went out on support

with Defla

but they were out on the

Adrenalise tour

which was pretty cool

I think they ended up on a

Rolling Stones tour as well

on the album

I don't think it was on Gallus

I think it was on

the debut

but

but yeah

they did some pretty

yeah

pretty big

pretty big tours

I think

which is

which is pretty cool

five things

so

we talked about this

Gallus is

Glaswegian slang

for bold or cheeky

cover art

is Benny Lynch

the Scottish

boxing

champion

it reached

number 14

on the UK

albums chart

which

with three singles

charting in the top 50

Kenny MacDonald

also produced

Texas's debut

and Lloyd Cole's

Don't Get Weird

on Me Babe

there were backing

vocals on the album

although not

not like

explicitly

called out

so

Charlene Spiteri

okay

she did backing

vocals on the debut

yeah

but the rumour is

she did backing

vocals on this

too

oh wow

that she's not credited

not credited

now the other

interesting thing

is that

Charlene Spiteri

is Mark Rankin's

cousin

oh

so that's

that's the thing

you wanted to say

the Texas thing

yeah

yeah

okay

that's why you keep

here in Texas

because Charlene

and Mark

are cousins

yeah

wow

she

if I remember rightly

I think Charlene Spiteri

did a

rock on tours

you know

with Gary Kemp

and Guy Pratt

I haven't listened

to that podcast

for age actually

I love that

I thought it was

such a good podcast

and

she was so cool

to listen to

listen to speak

you know

she was so cool

she's funny

yeah

yeah

yeah

yeah

funny

Charlene Spiteri

I like

I remember

I remember

being on TV

yeah

and not taking

myself too seriously

there have been

some uses of

tracks from

Gallus

in TV and media

the biggest one

from Gunn though

is Word Up

that gets used

I think Top Gear

used it

which is such a shame

because they won't

get the writing

credits for it

you know

with that extensive

they'll also get

the performance credits

or the mechanicals

yeah

but not the songwriting

bit sad isn't it

really

and then yeah

and that's kind of it

there's no remasters

for not that I could find

I couldn't find any

remasters of this

which is a good thing

I don't think any of

these first three

got remastered

which I quite like

and then after this

album came Swagger

which yeah

which which

which changed a little

bit Alex Dixon

the guitarist left

the drummer Scott

Shields left

before Swagger

so this is the last

album that they

they were on

eventually I think

I might get this

slightly wrong

but Mark Rankin

was on

it was on Swagger

and then he was

also on

0141

and then

and then Dante

takes over the

vocals

for all of the

albums

okay from there

from there

after that point

and that is it

for facts

very good facts

thank you very much

very good facts

we should have like a

thing that plays

so we've already

decided what we're

going to do next

week

well have we

let me

let's do this

Wild Hearts Earth

Versus

we did

but

and then

Feeders Polythene

Polythene the week

after

I love Polythene

yeah it's a great

record

right let me

let me do this

look I'm going to

find

why can I not

oh god my Apple

music's gone all

weird

you know when it

goes all weird on

you and you

I know there are

albums

why just show me

that

anyway so

I think

right so there

are in the 90s

in the 90s

we could do

Fuck

which was 93

Earth Versus

which Apple

music tells me

is 93

I'm not convinced

and then there

was Fishing for

Luckies in 95

and then Endless

Nameless in 97

yeah

my favourite

by far is

Earth Versus

it's got

Greetings from

Shitsville and

TV Tan and

Everlone and

Love Shit and

My Baby is the

Head Fuck and

Sucker Punch and

yeah Sucker Punch

is great

that album is

just phenomenal

but then like

Fuck has got

I Want to Go

Where the People

Go

yeah that's

a big tune

Justin Lust

Baby Strange

yeah Caprice

Be My Drug

it's dead good

Earth Versus

is that's the

one where I

think I would

which one is

Endless Nameless

is the one with

a weird

is that the one

with a weird

production

one of them's

got like quite a

harsh production

yeah yeah

I think

I think you're

probably right

I think Earth

Versus is probably

the one

never understood

the album cover

no

Earth Versus

no I Want to

Go is

was like you

know I keep

talking about

this album

this great

which gum was

on

word of

yeah yeah

yeah

and I made

them run to

the hills

and a few

others

that was on

there as

well

the Wild

Hearts

I Want to

Go Where

the People

Go

yeah

it was about

that time

yeah that was

a

but yeah

Earth Versus

yeah let's do

Earth Versus

do Earth Versus

from the Wild

Hearts

I do like the

Wild Hearts

and I have to

say

although the

line-up has

changed a little

bit over the

years

their latest

record sounds

like Earth

it's gone back

to this sound

to me

the Satanic

Rites one

yeah yeah

the Satanic

Rites of the

Wild Hearts

I got a

preview copy of

it and it

kind of blew

me away a

little bit

I wasn't

expecting

because Ginger

had been

he's been up

and down a

little bit

yeah bless him

you can tell

when he's

like in a

good place

mentally

because he's

I don't know

he's good fun

on social media

and doesn't

take it too

seriously

he doesn't

get into fights

and he's just

kind of like

you know

whatever

I don't need

I don't need

some random

stranger to

agree with me

on X

to Gio

and he doesn't

buy it and stuff

and there was a

period before this

where the band

had broken up

and everybody

was kind of

giving him a

hard time

and you could

kind of just

see him spiralling

and it was just

like you know

when you

everybody wants

Ginger Wild

Heart to succeed

I don't think

anybody on the

planet wants him

to not do well

and you could

just like

I don't know

you just

wanted someone

to kind of

reach out

and give him

a hug

and kind of

dude it's

it's alright

don't you know

and then

and then he

went quiet

for like six

months or so

and then started

to come back

on social media

with just these

bits like I've got

I've got a new

band together

and it's the best

thing ever

just amazing

and then you

just saw him

get like

I don't know

like more

positive and

better about

everything

and then the

record came out

and all of the

reviews were like

really positive

and you know

what I mean

and then you

just saw him

and I saw an

interview with him

and he was just

I have to say

though if you're

if you're onto a

creative project

that means a

huge amount to

you

I know people

call it like

passion projects

and I think that

cheapens it a bit

because it becomes

about that

creative project

becomes a part of

your almost like

vision for life

and your outlook

on everything

and it's more

than just a

passion thing

or a hobby

or it becomes

you know

the thing that

it's your

sort of self

expression

and if that

thing isn't

working

it impacts

everything

it impacts

everything

like everything

becomes rubbish

all of a sudden

because the thing

that you love

and the thing

that you pour

your heart into

it's a part

of you isn't it

it becomes

a part of you

and you can't

it's interesting

because it isn't

part of you

it's what you

did

but you

you know

you can't

oh it's difficult

it's really

to separate

yourself

yeah it's very

difficult to

separate yourself

from the

criticism of

that if it

doesn't go

very well

but yeah

I always think

you should never

count Ginger

out

he's never

down for long

do you know

what I mean

if you look

at all of

the

at least

an entire

career

yeah

there are

bits where

he's been

knocked down

a little bit

and struggled

but he

comes back

he always

comes back

and he always

comes back

punching

and just

nobody writes

melody like

Ginger

he's just

it's incredible

actually it just

reminded me

while we're just

talking about that

just as a

off the cuff

thing

do you remember

Frank Turner

yes

he's a massive

Wild Hearts fan

he would go on

tour with

Frank Turner's

just done a

brilliant thing

he's done the

levee you know

with his tour

yeah

so a pound from

every sale

is filtered through

to Brass Roots

yeah yeah yeah

which is just great

I saw that

a few people are

starting to do that

now

well he was in

a punk band

Frank Turner was in

a punk band

called the Million Dead

yeah yeah

so I mean I've

seen Frank Turner

again Frank Turner's

one of those guys

his records sound

a bit punk

a bit kind of

folky

and a bit poppy

his live show

is more hardcore

yeah

so it's kind of

this bonkers energy

where you know

and I love it

I saw him at

Rock City

and there are

people going in

there who kind of

like the folky

side of things

and you go in

there and it

turns into this

like manic

hardcore show

with kids throwing

themselves and

stage diving

you know what

I mean

you can just

see the eyes

suddenly go

like dinner

plates

like oh

what is

going on

here

but anyway

I saw

I always try

and go and

see the wild

especially if

they're in

at Rock City

and I've

seen like

Frank Turner

will come out

and play

and he'll

sing various

tracks

he's a massive

fan

but he is

just going back

out on tour

again as the

Million Dead

which were

his original

punk band

which no one's

ever heard of

so if you're

a fan of

Frank Turner

and you

like that

kind of

thing

then check

that out

because I

think they're

at Rock City

oh that's

great

so that will

be a really

cool gig

I think

that is cool

yeah yeah yeah

I don't know

whether anyone

will go

I don't know

if there's

anyone left

alive who

remembers

the Million

Dead

but if you

are it

would be

very cool

yeah yeah

yeah wicked

right well

we're going to

put a song

on and then

we're going to

say goodbye

then

so do say

love you

bye now

or do you

go after the

song

should we

come back

after and

do that

yeah let's

do that

we can't

we can't

end

without

loving

bye

you say

it just

scares you

when you

look around

things never

ever had

to be

this way

sometimes

when I

look at

friends

I just

see myself

now

leaving

is the

price

I have

to pay

wish

me

well

you

know

I gotta

go

you

know

I gotta

go

I've

done

my

time

I'm

living

without

freedom

within

and I'm

torn

and

divided

inside

nothing

left

to give

nothing

left

to lose

and it's

time

I

decided

to say

goodbye

you say

you can't

never tell

what tomorrow

brings

that I've

been there

and I've

walked that

road before

things can

change

and I'll look

back at the

memory

as the night

falls

another dream

just

slipped

away

I can't

stay here

watching the

world go

by

watching the

world go

by

I've

I've

done

my

time

living

without

freedom

within

and I'm

torn

and divided

inside

nothing

left

to give

nothing

left

to lose

and it's

time

I decided

to say

goodbye

say

goodbye

born to

live

till the

day

we die

people

talk

tell me

who decides

days

just

pass

you

by

life

will

pass

you

by

had

enough

of the

same

old

scene

same

old

places

same

old

dreams

when I

watch

my

world

go

back

let

me

go

somebody

help

me

I can't

stay here

watching the

world

provide

watching the

world

provide

I've

done

my

time

love to hear

love to hear

love to hear

love to hear

love to hear

love to hear

love to hear

love to hear

love to hear

love you

bye

see we can do it

with the song

in the key

love you

bye