RIFF056 - Oasis - Definitely Maybe and (What's The Story) Morning Glory

The Fology

That was very manly

It was a bit James Hetfield that one

Was it?

You reminded me of hugely

Yeah

I've got my sunglasses on tonight again

You have haven't you?

Yeah

Indoors

Yeah

I watched

What day is it?

Monday

I watched Saturday

The Black Sabbath thing

Oh yes

With Jason Momomo

Yes

He was there

He jumped in the crowd

He jumped in the crowd with Pantera

And did the thing

I imagine that's how he'd sing

And I don't know why I thought that

But that's

You know when you imagine how people should sound

Yeah that's the one

He plays bass doesn't he?

Jason Momomo

Yeah bass player

Is he?

Yeah

Looks dead cool playing it as well

He does look cool doesn't he?

Yeah he does look cool

In the Minecraft movie

Oh is he in that?

He is

The Minecraft movie is a bit rock and roll

I know people don't think it's rock and roll

A it's got Jason Momomo in it

And it's also got Skid Row in it

How cool is that?

It's really cool

Yeah

And he plays like Jason Momomo

He's the thing

He's the man

He's like he's this rock and roll man

Yeah yeah yeah

It's still good

Very good

Very good

So what's happening then?

We're doing Oasis

Oasis

We are doing both of the

Normally we'd pick an album

We've never done two albums

And we've never done two albums together

And you've got some brilliant artwork that you've made

For the postings

Oh I have yeah

I'm really very impressed with that

Were you?

The way you blended those

I blended them to blended

Because the thing is

Quite a challenge

Isn't it weird?

Isn't it like pathetic?

We were talking about

How we should do this

And

It was

Because we can't decide

Which of these albums to cover

Yeah

Basically

That's the bottom line

I really like Definitely Maybe

And you've got connections to

I love Morning Glory

I love Definitely Maybe 12

But I really love Morning Glory

But you worked in the same studios

Yes

As Morning Glory and stuff

And anyway

So we thought

Well we'll have to do them both

And then we're like

Oh you can't really just

I mean that just

Is a bit like

Of a cop out

Like doing two different shows

And then doing that

So we thought we'd do

Like one show

With both albums

Yes

Yeah

I'm probably not talking about either

For a lot of

That's normally what we do

And

I spent a lot of time

With Oasis this weekend

Doing Oasis things

Always

Have you been doing

Because you were

You were in the field

At Silverstone

Did you play Oasis a lot?

I was in Oasis

Were you in Oasis?

Yeah

So they had an Oasis tribute band

Yeah

That played

Yeah

And their guitarist car died

So couldn't get

So they were panicking

Yeah

And they said that

Look if there's one guy

On this site

Yeah

Who can solve this problem

It's you

It's me

Yeah

So they came to see me

And said look

Can you

Like this is our set

Can you be

Can you

Can you be

Like bonehead for that

Can you play rhythm guitar?

So you spent 30 seconds

Skimming YouTube

And they went

Yeah

Whatever

Yeah

So I looked at the set list

And went

I kind of know

Three quarters of that actually

Because it's not

As we talked about

Last week

Because you don't blow it

Yeah

Or what's the other one

You can't do?

I can't blow it or bow it

Bow it

Yeah

It's not got a bow

And you didn't have to

Easy

Easy peasy

Yeah so I actually played

A full hour and a half

Oasis set

To about 6,000 people

Was it a good laugh?

It was brilliant fun

Yeah yeah

It was great

Yeah that whole thing

Of like the way

They put on the music

For the Grand Prix

And I just think

It's awesome

Absolutely awesome

Yeah it's great

But the thing about it is

Is like some of those songs

I've actually never played

Yeah

Right

But because they're so

In your subconscious

Yeah

And you sort of

Write the key down

Yeah

And you go

I kind of know the song

So it just

It just kind of falls out

It just kind of

And the songs

This is the thing about Oasis

The songs are so good

Yeah

That you only have to hear them

Once or twice

And they are absolutely

Earworms

Every single one of them are

They remind me hugely

Of ACDC

In that

In that

That they

It makes you want to

Pick up a guitar

Because it sounds so simple

Yeah

Do you know what I mean

They're so deceptively like

Oh it's a

It's a simple song

Yeah

And

But until you try and do it

And you're like

Oh actually

Maybe a little bit more complicated

Yeah

But there's just something like

Just write

Yeah

About them

You know

And that sounds

I don't know

It's probably a really

I don't know

I'm finding it hard

To come up with the words

To describe what I mean here

But

There's like

You know like

Some sounds

Or some flavours

That just work together

And

The Oasis songs

Are just like that to me

They just work

Yeah

But from beginning to end

They feel effortless

Yeah

You know

We've got this theory

That people are born

Knowing John Bon Jovi

I mean

Gen X

Millennials

I suppose

They're born knowing

Yeah

Those songs

Yeah

I think that's kind of

This is the millennial

Yeah

This is kind of more millennial

But

You know Wonderwall

Everybody knows

It's like you put

Basketcase on

In a pub

Everyone knows

The words

And they'll sing

You put Wonderwall on

Everyone knows the words

And once they've had

A bit to drink

Yeah

They'll all sing along with you

You know

It's just got this

But the weirdest thing

To me is that

There was like a bit

Because obviously

I've sort of done

That little pub circuit

And playing music

For people in pubs

And you know

Like doing weddings

And doing those sorts of things

And there was a period of time

For quite a long time

Yeah

Where playing an Oasis song

Wasn't a cool thing to do

Oh

And it was almost like

Oh god not Oasis

You know

Really

And there was a bit of me

That went

I don't know why

You're being like that

Because the songs are brilliant

You know

And but obviously

With this

You know

They're doing their tour now

And they've kind of

Reformed for this

Kind of run of dates

Which is

Which is incredible

And apparently

They're really on form as well

They're really good

I saw a few

I saw a few clips actually

They were brilliant

They came

The set list is epic

As well

You just look at the set list

And you just think

There are so few bands

That could

You know

Could

Do

What they're

What they're doing

And

I saw this

Wonderful review

I was in the Guardian

Or

Telling or whatever

Right

And it basically said

It's like

Like Liam playing

In a smaller band

Yeah

Isn't Liam

Right

Yeah

When Liam's fronting Oasis

Yeah

The world is right

That's where Liam

Is supposed to be

And he just

He obviously had the BDI

Didn't he

Yeah

He's done BDI

And he's done

High Flying Birds

And Noel did

Yeah

But it's

It's like

It's just different

It's like going home

Yeah

And they were just saying

That having him

Fronting Oasis

In front of like

Hundreds of thousands

You know

Having these

Ridiculously large gigs

He becomes who he's meant to be

And like

It's just like

You're like

Bending the universe

Around him

Kind of thing

And you know

Not to say that he's not

An absolute dickhead

Because he's

You know

He quite often is

But that's

Do you know what I mean

That's what he was built to do

That's what he was meant to do

And it

It is

I mean

I don't know whether

This is a big PR thing

But they've nailed it

With a sort of like

Stars aligning

Kind of narrative

And everything coming together

And them

You know

Them loving each other

And with their arms

Around each other again

And after such a

Like a feud

For a few years

And Noel kicking off in Paris

And leaving the band

And all that sort of thing

It's probably worth

Going back to the beginning

A little bit

Isn't it

Because I loved music

So much

And was really into it

And was determined

To learn how to play the guitar

I always thought

That's how I'd end up

Or that's the only thing

I was interested in

But when I met

Graham Lambert

From the Inspirals

And I got that job

As on the roadie

I thought

Oh that's it

This is it

You know

And that would have done me

And then it was only

Through Liam

Getting together with Bonad

That they asked me

That I kind of

That I kind of joined

And then when I joined

Obviously

Just ambition took over

And in fact

It was only when

I think it was like

Second rehearsal

With Oasis

Our kids said

Yeah you've got some tunes

So

I was just like

Right if I play this

You play that

And you play that

And once everybody joined in

The fucking bomb went off

And I was like

Fucking hell

This is amazing

But the roses had disappeared

The Mondays had fallen apart

There was nothing

That was inspiring everyone

This fucking band

From Manchester

With a fucking singer

Who's 19

Right

Larry

The fucking

He's writing the songs

He's ripping off everybody

Who's fucking dead

But the other three lads

Look like plumbers

You know

But it's

You know

You wouldn't

You couldn't invent it

You know

So

Yeah

Who knew

I watched the documentary

Supersonic

I've never seen it

Which is bad

So good

Because we're obviously

Doing this podcast

I probably should have done

Yeah

It's homework

Isn't it

Now I'm not seeing that one

Because cable

Cable are on it

Aren't they

Kind of

They're in one of the outtakes

Yeah

But they

Anyway

The documentary

Supersonic

Is really good

If you've not seen it

And you're like

Oh you're a bit interested

In music

And how it's recorded

And like

You know

I guess

Bands in general

It's very worth it

Even perhaps

If you're not a massive

Oasis fan

It's one of those things

That is

I think it's recorded

It's full of

Like

You know

Just kind of

Ad hoc recordings

That the band took

On their journey

From way

Way

Way

Back

In like

Basements

And garages

And stuff

Even to

Like the

The night

That they get signed

When they're playing

In Glasgow

And they're in the van

On the way back

And like

And there's just like

A video happening

Of that

But

I wanted to

Kind of go back

A little bit

Because

The speed

Of this

Yeah

Is

I mean

We're ultimately

Running to

If we take these two albums

So we say

Definitely maybe

And watch the story

That

That really culminates

In Nebworth

Right

Where it's just

This ridiculous

Thing

Which

Like sold more tickets

Than

Anything ever

In the history of ever

They added more nights

It turns out

That they reckon

Something like

Four percent

Of the British population

Applied for tickets

Which is

Extraordinary

Yeah

But

That happened

In like

The space

Of two years

From the first record

To then

Being at Nebworth

And they're like

You know

Five guys

Five lads

From a council estate

In Manchester

Yeah

And then like

Before that

There was two years

Of them just

Rehearsing over

And over

And over again

You know

That

The

Unlikeliness

Of this story

Is extraordinary

You know

Noel

Blags himself

A job

With the

Inspiral carpets

As their roadie

Yeah

No idea what he's doing

You know

Confesses to not

Know what he's doing

Blagging all the time

Difficult

Awkward

You know

Just being a pain

In the arse

While he's there

Having a

Really great time

And eventually

The

Inspiral carpets

Fire him

Because it's like

He's just such a

Such a dickhead

And being so difficult

In

In parallel to that

Liam is at home

Yeah

Has shown no interest

In music at all

Ends up having a fight

Somebody hits him

Over the head

With a hammer

Yeah

Ends up in hospital

Blood everywhere

When he comes round

And kind of

You know

Recovers

Has got this

Massive passion

For music

And just will do

Nothing but

But music

And he

Tells the story

Of his life

At that point

Being

You know

Just

Essentially

Picking up his

Dole money

Buying music

Buying weed

Going home

And just being

Like

Rinse and repeat

That's it

Noel then comes back

So by mind

At this point

Noel still thinks

His brothers

Doesn't like music

Not interested in music

At all

Noel's been writing music

Since he was

Since he was a kid

Kind of thing

Yeah

When Noel

Comes back to

Manchester

Liam's now

In a band

Yeah

Right

Right

And then

Noel goes to see them

Like Noel gets back

And their mum says

Oh yeah

No he's in a band

Yeah

Noel goes to see them

And he's like

Oh alright

And then he meets the band

Do you know what I mean

And then

And then

And then

And then the band

Like how do you want to

You know you've got some

And then

Liam knew that

Noel had been writing songs

So go

Yeah place me your songs

To the band

And then they start to

And then that's it

That's where it starts

Yeah

And you just think

How you know

Just the

It's a great story

The whole

The thing is with the band

For me

A lot of the stories

Like I've heard

Noel tell the same story

Differently twice

Yeah

In interviews

So you think

Just because it came from

Noel's mouth

Doesn't necessarily mean

It's true

Yeah

I was in a

A bar

In Liverpool

Called

Definitely Maybe

No it wasn't

It wasn't

It wasn't called

Definitely Maybe

It was

It was some

Fucking bar

In Liverpool

I think we'd done

A photo shoot

For some

Scouse fanzine

And we were having

We were having a beer

With the Ely's

And

There was loads of flyers

On the wall

And one of them

The words

I don't know

What it was advertising

Whether it was

A night at a

Fucking disco

Or something stupid

Or a poetry reading class

Or

Fucking

I don't know

And on the thing

Was Definitely Maybe

And

Because the

The one thing

We didn't want to call it

Was Oasis

And Definitely Maybe

Was

I thought that was

Fucking mind blowing

Definitely

Still confused

Maybe

I don't understand it

I still don't

I'm not supposed to

I don't

So the band

Start there

Which is like

So improbable

It's not funny

Yeah

Yeah

They then

Actually turn out

To be not shit

They're alright

They pull this band

And they're pretty tight

And then

They just

I mean

For all of the bravado

And all of the

You know

You know

The stuff that you hear

From them in the press

About you know

Kind of being party animals

And

They practice

And they practice

Over

And all they do

Is write songs

And practice

Their rehearsal room

Is opposite the hacienda

Yeah

And Liam talks about

Them hardly ever

Going there

They were literally

Just practicing

Over and over again

Then they ended up

On the road

Playing

No one cared

No one listened

People

There's talk of like

10 or 15 people

Coming to gigs

No one came to see them

They went all over the place

And then eventually

Ended up playing

They went up to

King Tut's

Wawa Hut

In Glasgow

Which is where

They got signed

Oh that's

That's the one

Is it

No idea

It was a friend

Of a friend

There was a band

That they knew

Who were scheduled

To play

Oasis were not

Scheduled to play

Yeah

And the guy said

No you're not playing

And then they said

Well we'll do a shorter set

If you'll let these lads

Play as well

Yeah

So then eventually

They ended up doing

Like a 20 minute set

Yeah

Alan McGee

Alan McGee

I think it's

Alan McGee's girlfriend

Was in

The band

That shortened their set

For them

And so

They ended up

Getting signed

Alan McGee

Was gushing over them

Yeah

And then literally

Walked up to the band

After the set

And said

Do you want a record deal

And then they're like

Yeah alright then

And then there's this

Lovely

And in the

In the documentary

There's the

The footage of them

On the way back down

To Manchester

And they're just like

Yeah

That's it then

Yeah

So we've got a deal

Then innit

And it's just like

The probability

The likely

I mean it had to

Have happened

In that way

Yeah

Yeah

But

I don't know

It's just mad

Absolutely mad

I think

You know

Everything about

This band

Is just

Like so unlikely

Yeah

To happen

Yeah

And like this album

Even

Even this album

It was recorded

At Mono Valley

I was going to say

They had a few goes at it

Didn't they

The thing about

Oasis is

The songs were all about

They were all inclusive

They weren't elitist

In any way

A lot of that

For me came from

Acid House

Right

Which was

It's the communal feeling

Of everybody together

And that

Anthemic

Thing

That I got from that

Which I fucking loved

You know

But even now

When I hear the Mono Valley stuff

It wasn't it

Obviously

Because I'm the songwriter

And I'm thinking

It sounds great

And all the band

Are thinking

It sounds great

And then

Thankfully

There's people

Who stood out front

And watched us

And were saying

That's not

That's not it

Never

I'd never heard

That Mono Valley record

Until

Six months ago

So it wasn't like

We

We referenced it

And said

Right

This is what

We don't want to do

You know

It was canned

And the tapes

Went off to creation

And that was it

We'd never seen them again

But we've uncovered it now

And listening back to it

And looking at some of the pictures

We didn't have

The equipment

We didn't have the marshals

At Mono Valley

I had a Vox AC30

And a H&H amp

I don't know why

And then

By the time I got sawmills

I had a Marshall

And a fucking Wem Dominator

That's the sound

You know

It's all there

It's just

It's missing that thing

And that thing was

Playing live together

As you've been in studios

Yourself

There's like

There's a big room

And there's booths

Off the side

And the drums

Are in the middle of the room

And then

Your amp's in there

And your amp's in there

Of course

That's how we thought

Records were made

Somebody's sending you

To a studio

With an adult

You know

And they're telling you

What to do

And all you've got to do

Is play the songs

But when you hear

The Mono Valley stuff

It's not

It's not got a swagger to it

And it's

Then when you go on

To the sawmills

You can see we've done

Another 20 gigs

In between

And we've arrived somewhere

It was too early

To make that record

But I think McGee

Wanted to get it in

And get it out

Because his famous quote

Was

I reckon if we can

Get this album up

Before the Stone Roses

Come back

We'll sell 50,000

And I'd never heard

The original versions

Of this

And as much as I

Deride the

Anniversary

The 30th anniversary

Of

Definitely maybe

Definitely maybe

And I've got this

I've got the 30th anniversary

On vinyl

And it's lovely

I'm so surprised

I know you are

It sounds lovely

But

On the digital release

Yeah

On what would be

CD2

Is the original

Mono Valley

Version

So it was recorded

At Mono Valley

By

And I'm going to

Put my glasses on

I did know this

And I'm going to

Put my glasses on

Was it David Batchelor

Let's assume it was

A guy called David Batchelor

Because that's the name

That's in my brain

He recorded it

Doesn't sound

Anything like Oasis

To me

And

They recorded it

All there

It sounds like

The Beach Boys

Almost

It's got this kind of

Peppy

Upbeat

Happy sound

To it

Rather than

This kind of

Swagger

It's not

Slapping you around

The face

It's kind of

Going

Hiya

It's just got this

Completely different

Sound to it

Is it my imagination

Is it my imagination

And Alan McGee

Was just like

That's not it

That's not

The sound

That's not

That's not right

So they went to

Record it again

Right

So they

Head down to

Is it Sawmills

Yeah

Sawmill Sessions

So they go down

To Sawmills

And re-record it

Again

And they do that

With Mark Coyle

Yeah

Who's their live

Sound engineer

Yeah

Now Mark Coyle

Has never produced

Anything in a studio

Never recorded

Anything in a studio

Yeah

Ever

Yeah

Doesn't know anything

About anything

Literally is a

Sounder

He produces sound

In a live gig

I mean you've done

Tons of these things

They're different animals

Yeah

And so what he did

What they did

Was they went down

To Sawmills

And they recorded

Three takes of each track

They just mic'd everything up

Yeah

Three runs through

Next track

Three runs through

Next track

Three runs through

So we're in the room together

Liam is in a

There's one booth

In Sawmills

It's a vocal booth

So the rest of the band

Are all

And the equipment

Is all in the same room

We knew all

The songs backwards

As I remember

We did three takes

And then we sat

And had a cup of tea

Sat and listened to them

And said that's the one

We're going to pick

To overdub

So the outtakes

From Sawmills

On the new record

They haven't got any overdubs

Because we picked that version

And that was it

And there's a great version

Of Cigarettes and Alcohol

Which is just slightly

A little bit slower

And it's more sludgy

And it's fascinating for fans

I think Coyley came up

With the idea

He said you should all

Be playing

I think one of the original ideas

Was to play on stage

And record it somewhere

Do you know what I mean

But I think it was Mark's idea

And he was our

Sound guy

And he was going to oversee it all

And that was it

The playing of the songs

Was easy

Yeah in those outtakes

There's a few bum notes

And that's why

The outtakes would have got ditched

And then

There's a couple of songs

They don't end in the right place

And then there's a false start

But we had it pretty nailed

You know

The parts never really

Were worked on in the studio

We had them already

And then maybe I would

Fuck around

And do whatever

Whatever I would do

To fill up the tracks

And then Owen

When he mixed it

Bend it all

Yeah

Yeah well then we took it

To back to London

To mix

We were mixing it in

Olympic

We were there

And then we went over

To see McGee

We had

I think it was like

Columbia

And something else

We had a cassette of it

And I thought

They sounded great

Right

And the minute it came

We put it on in his flat

And the minute it came on

It sounded fucking shit

And he said

This is not it

And at that point

I started to get

Really fucking frustrated

I was like

Well what does everybody

Fucking want

And then

Because Marcus

Was managing Johnny Mark

At the time

Marcus had played it

To Johnny

Who played it

To Owen

And Owen said

I'll have a go

And I think

He mixed one tune

We were on tour

A cassette arrived

And we stuck it on

In the van

I'm sure it was

Cigarettes and alcohol

And it was fucking amazing

It's just

It was such a relief

It was like

Like fucking

Thank God for that

And he didn't

He didn't want to

Re-record anything

I think the only thing

We did is

We had to change

The second verse

Of Shaker Maker

Anyway they did all of that

They picked the best ones

Sent those tapes

To

To McGee

And McGee was just like

This is shocking

Yeah yeah yeah

Then you'd got

You know

So then you got Noel

Kind of really frustrated

Going

I don't know

What you want from us

You know

We've recorded this thing twice

You know

We're not writing music

These are the same

So we know the songs

These are the songs

But they're not right

They don't feel right

Yeah you tell us

They don't feel right

That's the difference

Isn't it

You can play the songs

Perfectly

But if they don't feel right

They don't feel right

And we've talked about this

A load of time

It's the magic

That happens at certain points

But anyway

They'd got these things

Re-recorded again

And then

They

They were asking

Loads of different people

What to do

And no one could really

Figure out what to do

And eventually

And eventually Owen Morris

Was around

Who we've talked about before

Now Owen Morris

Was like

Yeah I'll have a go at it

Yeah yeah

And Owen Morris

Literally just cranked it

Yeah

So he took it

And was using

Whatever technologies

Were available at the time

Because it was on tape

Wasn't it

Yeah yeah yeah

So it was on analogue

But he managed to just

Absolutely amp this thing

To the

And you can hear

On this

It sounds like

It does sound amped

It sounds like

It's like

Pushed to the limit

This record does

And it suddenly

Comes out sounding

Massive

Yes

Big swagger

And that

And that kind of

Is where

You know

Where the record

Comes from

Is it my imagination

Or have I finally found

Something I was looking for

I was looking for

So much

But all I found

Was seeing

It's an alcohol

You could wait for a lifetime

To spend your days

To spend your days

In the sunshine

You might as well

Do the white

Because when it comes

I'm sore

You've got to make it

Happen

You've got to make it

Happen

You've got to make it

Happen

You've got to make it

Happen

I love you.

Is it worth the aggravation to find yourself a drug when there's nothing worth working for?

It's a crazy situation, but all I need is cigarettes and alcohol.

It's a crazy situation, but all I need is cigarettes and alcohol.

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And then getting signed by Alan McGee and this kind of random thing.

And then the album.

But if they'd have released the Mono Valley, I don't think Oasis would have been a thing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You don't get two bites of the cherry.

Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's just so implausible and so improbable that this would have ended up like...

And that's just to get the first album out of the door.

And no one cared.

No.

I mean, even when this came out.

And yeah, that was...

Oh, and then...

Oh, God.

So while I'm thinking about this as well, the improbabilities of this.

The first track...

So the first single the record company picked, I think was supposed to be Bring It On Down.

Yeah, yeah.

So the first track on Definitely Maybe should have been Bring It On Down.

And they were having real issues getting it recorded.

They were having a real issue getting it recorded.

There's something about the drummer not quite getting it or something like that.

I wasn't getting the take.

Yeah, Tony McCarroll really struggled with this.

Yeah.

And Noel hated him.

Noel hated Tony McCarroll.

Wow.

It was horrible to him.

In fact, most of the band were horrible to Tony McCarroll.

He wasn't a very good drummer, being frank.

But, you know, they weren't very nice to him.

And, anyway, really, really struggled.

Could not get the take done.

And so they went for a takeaway.

They were kind of a little bit, like, frustrated.

Like, come on.

And so they sent out for a takeaway.

All the lads went into the next room and started to have a takeaway.

And Noel wrote Supersonic.

And then that became...

That became the thing.

The single.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then that began when Supersonic was enormous.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And you're looking on that record.

Rock and Roll Star, Shaker Maker, Live Forever and Supersonic

and Cigarettes and Alcohol were the singles.

Yes, what else do you want?

It's nuts.

What else do you want from a record than that?

It is.

The Mono Valley version of Cigarettes and Alcohol.

It sounds nothing...

I mean, I love Cigarettes and Alcohol.

It's a phenomenal record.

Phenomenal song.

I think if they'd have released the Mono Valley version...

It just wouldn't have happened.

It's not there.

It's not there.

It's not it.

It's not the one.

The magic's not there.

Do you know?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

And that's just the story up to.

Them like the first single from Definitely Made where no one's heard of them.

Well, I went back to Mono Valley.

I went back down there and I went into the room where I wrote it.

And it's such an uninspiring fucking room.

It's like it's nothing.

I don't know if I was expecting to open the door and...

But yeah, he sent down this Les Paul because he didn't have one at the time and...

Yeah, just opened it and Slide Away came out.

Yeah, it's just...

And then we demoed it in Mono Valley and...

Yeah, and that's the version that's on Definitely Made.

We think that's...

We only did eight songs in Mono Valley.

Maybe only seven because we already had Supersonic.

We already had Slide Away.

Married With Children was done in Coyley's bedroom.

Sad Song was done in Coyley's bedroom.

So we only did eight tunes there.

Because when I got the tapes on, I was like,

"Well, where's fucking such and such?"

But we did do another version of Slide Away,

but it's not as good as the first time you played it.

There's something in the air that night that's happening.

And, you know, you're not overthinking the song.

It's like, right, it goes like this.

You played that, I played that.

Right, let's go.

So everyone's kind of not thinking about,

"Oh, maybe I'll put a little thing there or maybe I'll do a bit of that."

Maybe I'll just put a key in there.

So it's coming from a place of truth.

Slide Away

And give it all you've got

My today

And you're failing from the top

I dream of you

And all the things you said

I wonder where you are now

Hold me down

For all the world is asleep

Need you now

You knocked me off my feet

I dream of you

And we told you growing up

But you said these bounds

You're sliding, baby

Together we'll fly

I tried praying

But I don't know what you're saying to me

Now that you're mine

We'll find a way

I'm chasing the sun

Let me be the one

Let me be the one

Who shines with you

In the morning

We don't know what to do

To overcome

We'll find a way

And do what we've done

Let me be the one

The one

That shines with you

And we can slide away

Slide away

Slide away

Slide away

Slide away

Away

Away

Slide away, give it all you got

My today, falling from the top

I dream of you, and all the things you say

I wonder where you are now

Slide in, baby, together we'll fly

I've tried, baby, and I know just what you're saying to me

Now that you're mine, we'll find a way

I'm chasing the sun

Let me be the one who shines with you

In the morning, we don't know what to do

We're too often times

We'll find a way

Do what we've done

Oh, let me be the one who shines with you

And we can slide away

Slide away

Slide away

Slide away

Slide away

Slide away

Slide away

Slide away

Slide away

I'm going to be the one who shines with you

I'm going to be the one who shines with you

I'm going to be the one who shines with you

I'm going to be the one who shines with you

I'm going to be the one who shines with you

I'm going to be the one who shines with you

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I'm going to be the one who shines with you

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I'm going to be the one who shines with you

I'm going to be the one who shines with you

I'm going to be the one who shines with you

I'm going to be the one who shines with you

I'm going to be the one who shines with you

I'm going to be the one who shines with you

I'm going to be the one who shines with you

I'm going to be the one who shines with you

I'm going to be the one who shines with you

I'm going to be the one who shines with you

I'm going to be the one who shines with you

Slide away

Slide away

Slide away

Slide away

I'm going to be the one who shines with you

I'm going to be the one who shines with you

I'm going to be the one who shines with you

I'm going to be the one who shines with you

I'm going to be the one who shines with you

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I'm going to be the one who shines with you

I'm going to be the one who shines with you

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A friend of mine was saying he's got one of the original pressings of Definitely Maybe

and it's interesting he's from Glasgow

Right

and there was a big deal when the band came out

there was this big deal about they were signed in Glasgow

and he said that there was

it felt like there were two groups, underground groups

that knew about Oasis

there was the Manchester crew and the Glasgow crew

yeah yeah yeah

and then before the rest of the world had really picked up

yeah

but then it was like exponential

it went fast you know it seemed to just absolutely take off

right band, right time

yeah

Liam being Liam

yeah yeah

but I

there cannot be any other band stories

that you know have got the similar

that have got that

I don't know

I don't know

yeah

do you know what I mean

it's a great story

I think that's the difference is

it's

we've had so many of these

bands that we've done and these albums that we've done

where it's very

processy

yeah

you know the bands meet they're either at school together or

they're young people

and then they do the thing

and then

and then they you know they're right they rehearse they go out

but it's just you're right it's the improbable

it's this this thing kind of happening by accident almost or

yeah

just sort of them following their noses and you know

and the thing is that it's not a London thing

no

so you would have had the stone roses obviously from from Manchester and Happy Mondays

and there was obviously that scene

yeah

but that kind of gone that that that that I think that

that kind of been and gone

grunge was kind of dying now as well

this was kind of midnight mid to late 90s

I think everyone wanted rock stars because everything else that was coming out

yeah was polished London pop

it was

and it wasn't working class

and it didn't fit even if it was it didn't feel it

this was a rock and roll band

it felt very packaged

and very you know like everything had a look to it

there was a very

yeah I mean you're right this this was a rock and roll band

doing rock and roll band things that one of the first tours they toured with the

was it the Verve

the Verve yeah

and then they went off to Amsterdam

the first proper big tour

so so Alan McGee's you know patched them off with the Verve to tour

and they go on a ferry to Amsterdam

yeah

and they're big football fans and it's like some kind of West Ham

yeah

so they literally start you know they're drinking champagne

and I can't wait what the story goes like champagne and like Jack Daniels or something

and they sort of fairly quickly get a bit I mean imagine Liam

yeah fairly quickly get a bit gobby

yeah yeah

and start fighting with the West Ham fans

and then they get arrested

yeah

so when they when the ferry lands in Amsterdam they literally get picked up arrested and sent back to the UK

oh my gosh

so you've got you've got the Verve waiting to play you've got all of the gear has now been impounded

noel made it through because he looked noel locked himself in his his cabin the rest of the band are now arrested

like no mobile phones

yeah yeah yeah no one could find what's going on

and apparently the story goes right noel noel is ringing Alan McGee going you you know you've got some really bad news this is awful and Alan McGee is just like oh that's amazing

and you know it's amazing and you do you know it's mad but then again as the story as a story like this improbable story goes right they don't make people like Alan McGee anymore no no Alan McGee only made it to I think did he do I think he like retired almost after um what's the story yeah yeah yeah yeah he was like I can't do this anymore that it was it might be enough yeah no I think I think he yeah I think he was still the manager of the

through uh to watch the story but basically it uh there's a lovely interview with him where he just I just took too many drugs and I was just a lot off my face and I just had to get out of the whole thing and I disconnected from from everything yeah yeah um and noel was saying that um you know he he represented like the last of a generation yes yeah do you know what I mean of of of of kind of managers they said they're not like that anymore you know managers come to you with a what's your business plan yeah yeah do you know what I mean what's your five

year plan yeah what what you know what's your demographic that you're aiming for what you know and and you're expected to have this you know not Liam launching TVs out of windows and fighting with West Ham fans you know that yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you know and and he said like that that um it's a brilliant interview it's a brilliant interview with Noel fairly recently where it's like you know the record industry don't want the reason rock and roll bands are not like that anymore is because no one wants

that you know that you know and back then at that point in time it was just yeah acceptable that was that was what people wanted yeah um you know and that's what we gave them yeah yeah but not forever that it waned it didn't you know people didn't want that for for forever but I think just that that that combination of you know these these lads from a council estate in Manchester playing the right songs at the right time the right

site manager who was going to support them yeah I mean imagine if it would have been a different manager yeah yeah yeah yeah I don't I don't you know I mean I there is there is a definite thing I think I didn't communicate it very clearly a little bit earlier but there's a definite thing about the stars aligning yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah this is this is so I keep saying improbable but yeah yeah yeah yeah the likelihood of all of this stuff it's a generational thing yeah you know where you get one yeah yeah and it's like um and again and Noel is on on interview saying

saying this stuff a few times they weren't the best at anything they weren't the best songwriters weren't the best playing weren't the best live people but when they were in Oasis and when they were together

they something happened yeah they were the best in the world and what they did was the like it was the best live show it was the best entertaining people with the songs that they got and all yeah yeah yeah um I could the thing the other thing for me is is you know sometimes when we've done these records and we're sort of struggling to find interview footage or stuff like that yeah there's no problem here

everything they do is gold uh there's nothing that you know every interview going like there's what like when we're just to explain when when we do these shows we sort of take the interviews from from different places and sort of cut them in um and like sometimes we'll just do a bit and then we'll just get on with the show yeah but this I think I think I've sat for like an hour over an hour I've just just going through you've read you've read a book you've wrote six apps in the middle I've got a numb bum waiting for you to finish it like I'm going wiggling about because it's all just

so good I love that bit there was an interview clip that you played earlier where Noel describes the look of the band saying that the rest of the band look like plumbers

yeah and they just put and I look do you know I love Liam to to pick and I can imagine Liam I can imagine if you had to work with Liam you'd want to punch him

you know 23 out of 24 hours of the day um but he's just so like it's just this lovable absolutely yeah he's cheeky isn't he he's this kind of you know what I mean he's he's just always got

this big grin on his face being a dickhead and I don't know there's just something super cool about it but

it's what it's worth that voice though oh it's so it's that voice who who again there's a lovely bit in one of

your interviews where um I think Alan McGee didn't Alan McGee you know when he does that um

yeah he didn't start doing that no like when they first did the song he didn't do it and he did it live

once and Alan McGee told him he sounded like John Lydon yeah yeah yeah Johnny Rotton yeah yeah Johnny Rotton

and then and then so he kept and then that's it but then that becomes his like affectation he does this

thing more and more yes um I don't know I did there's a point I think for me like we probably disagree a

little bit on this one but I for me like definitely maybe it's up there as one of the because I don't

think Morning Story is as good a record yeah I think it's better produced I think it's a better

I think it's I think the songs are probably the songs are more complicated probably more technically

yeah correct I think the lyrics are a little bit better yeah but as a right for a rock and roll

sort of rock and roll album yeah like an album that's got the swagger and stuff like definitely

maybe is up there with like anything the metal world yeah has ever put out anything that kind of

the hard rock world has put out as debuts you know it's kind of up there for me with

you know the debuts from like Skid Row and Bon Jovi and do you know what I mean it's it's it's got a

proper almost like a punk swagger to it it's just and then by what's the story yeah I think Liam like

they were managing Liam yeah yeah out do you know I mean he was like he was like no you could come in

and sing yeah um but with the grown-ups of the grown-ups are working now yeah and they would send

him off to do whatever yeah and that out there so what's the story becomes this kind of grown-up record

where it's it's produced a little bit better it's got it's done at Rockfield so they know what they're

doing you know what I mean so they it sounds big and like massive from the outset yes yeah um but it's

lost a little bit of the you know you know this record like definitely maybe starts with that kind

of well do you know what I mean it's like it's electric as it kicks off um watch the stories a bit

more um do you know what I mean it's it's it's a little I say laid back's the wrong word for it but

it's um it's definitely more um yeah it's more grown up it's a it's a it's a a more refined record

yeah um but I I don't know I just there's a there's a certain magic in the first one and I think partly

because it's so improbable that it was it ever got made yeah yeah yeah um but yeah but but also I think

I guess the next bit in the story is the decline because I think the band by the end of definitely

maybe their band was still great they're having a great time they were enjoying themselves um it was

it was chaos yeah and they loved it yeah yeah and then they did what's the story and the songs for

what's the story were already written yeah so Noel had already written them so they go into the studio

to do that which is great um they managed Liam you know by like a like throwing a dog throwing a ball

for a dog right they kind of just they were constantly sending him out to the pub or football games or just

like game out of the way whatever so we can do this record but it's these sessions that the cracks start

I think okay yeah yeah and I mean you know there's there's that a wonderful story about I think there's

two wonderful stories from Rockfield and and they're they're so um like conflicting one is yeah

you know the uh they they're Noel is trying to write stuff and they're trying to record stuff

they send Liam to the pub because I because I don't play any instruments you know I mean a lot of the

of all the rest of the band playing instruments I'd sort of do my singing and I'd be sort of bored you

know what I mean so then I'd be sort of just going twiddling my thumbs and I'd think

I'm fucking go out a boozer so I'd be in the pub most of the time with whoever so then I'd bring

a few people back and I think that's when I think that's when it all went a bit tits up with me and

all because I think he I think I don't know where he'd gone somewhere but like loads of people come

back and started looking at his guitars and shit and you're not allowed to look at his guitars

I know I want a bit yeah I had a little argument and then that was it I think we had a little bit of a

oh let me smash the drop of a fight yeah I think proper brawl cricket bats and air rifles dustbins

no one used to kick it back to hit me or just wave it at my head I don't remember much but we had

with air rifles and we locked them up they got locked up because they might have got used it was all there

was just a lot of just running around and fucking throwing shit at the people and I just remember him

getting in the car driving off and I'm stood there like a fucking a wild bastard just going

car you fucking shitbag didn't you throw a dustbin at the car or something yeah yeah I think it was

flying up the drive yeah yeah should have yeah it's just little thing but them little things are just

little you know what I mean it's the crack in it it was carnage you know some things got broken some

I mean here I didn't really know what to make of all that because it was the first time I'd kind of

seen something like that but I wasn't used to it but everybody here seemed to uh take it in their

stride as you know I think they'd seen it they'd seen it all before so nothing was going to shock

them so yeah they just cleaned it up the next day and it was like nothing had happened yeah I think

Noel went home he's always been a bit like that you know what I mean what you're doing bringing people

back when we're working and I get it you know what I mean but my argument would be what you're doing

fucking taking 900 fucking takes to fucking do one guitar riff when you should be in the fucking

pub with me you know what I mean entertaining me it's not as good we weren't as fucking we weren't

like bros or anything and we weren't fucking like like fucking Jedward you know what I mean

Jedward you know what I mean we weren't like we'd just go all right and he'd go all right and then

yeah we had that was the story of the band's life man really so it'd sort of be good one minute

and then it'd be chaotic the next until the poor lad had enough one night in Paris

and then he took his bottle home and then the other story is the recording of Wonderwall yeah where

Noel is outside in the courtyard yeah sitting on the wall with the birds yeah your mate Nick is there

micing it all only like I remember doing Wonderwall I had to set him up on the wall outside the

coach I studio so I just set the mics up up there and he's doing the guy guitars for Wonderwall we're

done on top of the wall so I've been in the town oh yeah probably had a couple of lagers but bought a

remote-controlled car right properly no big fat wheels on it next thing I'm looking at a lounge and

see Noel's up on a wall loads of microphones on him outside with an acoustic guitar and it's like

what the fuck what's he doing student and he's trying to catch the atmosphere you know the birds

singing and all that stuff so I was like I'm getting him so I got this car and I'm like I'm laughing this

so I was like I got it in first gear down so his car's like you can see no dead like in his headphones

today is gonna be the day that they're gonna throw it back to you by now you should have somehow

realized what you gotta do I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now

backbeat the word is on the street that the fire in your heart is out I'm sure you've heard it all

before but you never really had a doubt I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now

and all the roads we have to walk a winding and all the lights that lead us there are blinding

there are many things that I would like to say to you but I don't know how

because maybe

you're gonna be the one that saves me

and after all

you're my wonder wall

today was gonna be the day but they'll never throw it back to you

by now you should have somehow realized what you're not to do

I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now

and all the roads that lead you there were winding

and all the lights that light the way are blinding

there are many things that I would like to say to you but I don't know how

I said maybe

you're gonna be the one that saves me

and after all

you're my wonder wall

you're my wonder wall

you're gonna be the one that saves me

you're gonna be the one that saves me

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which is huge no one's done anything like that before

you know the size and scale of that

nobody's done anything like that before really

and then the bit that's interesting is that

there's a brilliant interview from Noel

saying that looking back

everybody was frazzled at that point

we'd spent you know it doesn't sound like a long time

but we spent two years either recording or on the road

yeah just on it

yeah on it over and over and over again

and there's this pressure to be wild

there's this pressure to be the biggest band in the world

all the time

you've constantly got to think of something outrageous to say in interviews

everybody wants a piece of you 24/7

it culminated with Nebworth

and it was this massive thing

what we should have done is said we're

you know we need a break

we're out for six months

we'll come back in a little while

but we didn't we just try to you know

oh we'll carry on doing what we do

and we'll just kind of thing

and he said that it's like a

you know the wheels are in motion

and that like the band's destruction have started by that

by that point

yeah yeah yeah yeah

but it's I don't know

but you have to remember from

I guess from the launch of

definitely maybe to Nebworth

yeah

it was like two years

yeah yeah yeah yeah

and it's

do you know what I mean

they've gone from being

like living in a flat

sharing a flat

yeah

you know in like crappy areas of Manchester

to Nebworth

yeah

and in two years

yeah

the ride

I mean I can't think of another band

that originally

I mean you

they get compared to the Beatles

and stuff like that

the Beatles rise wasn't like that

no

it wasn't this meteoric

you know from no

I mean the band didn't come from nowhere

they had this kind of two year bit before that

but from our perspective

that's what it looked like

yeah

yeah

here's definitely maybe

yes

you know what I mean

and then you blink and then they're at Nebworth

yeah

yeah

I can't think of another band

that

no no it was it was something else wasn't it

the other thing I think that

that always hits me when I

I know

I hit me again

watching supersonic today

was

how

like the

in

this was what 90

uh

uh

uh

uh

94

so

do you know what there wasn't

there was no

internet

the internet was really 96

it was a little bit pre

yeah

we had the internet

we didn't have the world wide web being

being a pedant

yeah

yeah

but um

so I had the internet

but not many

you know what I mean

it wasn't like a pervasive thing

we uh

but

there were no things like pop idol

oh I see okay

so reality shows

talent shows

yeah yeah yeah yeah

it didn't exist

by this point

yeah

um

rock and roll bands were rock and roll bands

you know what I mean

that you didn't have

like

you had super groups

but you didn't have man like a man

you had them yeah you take that and

you're west lines you had that

you had the sort of boy bands that

that were packaged

yeah for a particular market

but you didn't have

it wasn't kind of

packaged in the same

in the in the same sense

in the same sense

you know you you

you just didn't

didn't have that

it was kind of like

like Oasis were like

lightning in a bottle

weren't it yeah yeah yeah

Alan McGee managed to

kind of grab it that's

that's it that's the thing

that's what people want

and then you know

being able to market that

and and

um

but they for me they were

kind of one of the last

like wild rock and roll bands

yes

do you know what I mean

like

because if you think about

what came after this

it was it started to get

um

I

the words were more manufactured

and I don't mean that in

like a you know

I kind of mean that people

they were creating products

yeah

productized is a better

yeah it was

it was far more

um

like designed I mean Oasis

weren't I mean it wasn't

designed it was you know what

I mean it was just it was

like so improbable that it was

going to work the way it was

that those songs those lads you

know all of the things that

went around that for me they're

kind of um it was like the peak

of an era it was just before

that digital era started yes

where people bought albums bought

music went to gigs yeah and then

the internet came along and then

you're if you think about it you're

almost immediately diluting that

you've got Napster fairly quickly

after this and you've got you

know that um diluting the value of

music itself and even going to live

gigs you know being able to stream

stuff and YouTube and you know what

I mean and I think that time that

kind of the mid like 96 yes for that

is that peak because then it starts

to dip yeah fairly because people

didn't buy albums anymore um and it

and it changed things and uh you know

I think Oasis are I'm trying to think

of what there must have been other

bands that were around the world at

the time but for like certainly here

in the UK Oasis with the last great

yeah rock and roll yeah yeah yeah

you know and I wonder if we'll ever

see it again we were bang into it

24/7 we were also which is our

downfall we were also in a fucking

the other side of it as well the

party side of it you know I mean like

all these bands that sit there and

go oh yeah we're fucking great yeah

you're great you were shit at getting

off your box on weren't you so you

lot can go you know I mean we were

good at being in the studio we're

also good at being in the pub you

know what I mean and I'm proud of

that as much as I am of the the great

vocals and the fucking takes in the

studio you know I mean we were we

were fucking into the whole thing

well everything's too yeah I don't

know this yeah you could say so much

but everything's so kind of available

and there and there was a bit there

were you know I know you said they

were kind of out there doing but

there was a bit of mystery about

them oh they created that there was

there was a myth yeah you know

Oasis created their own myth and I

think that's part of the part of the

part of the appeal for me is is is that

kind of mythology around the songs or

around the artists you know and I

mean I the point where I really

discovered Oasis because I was

probably a little bit younger

definitely maybe I know it was only a

year later but in terms of like the

kind of music I was listening to in

that sort of stuff and it was when

what's the story landed and

suddenly Wonderwall's there yeah you

know you're not necessarily even

don't look back in angle I loved it

the song it's a fantastic song but I

remember Wonderwall really

capturing me and cast no shadow

really really yeah yeah champagne

supernova being beautiful and

because I was picking up the guitar

at the time yeah like I said on a

couple of other podcasts before

around this era these are the songs

I learned you were playing yeah so I

so I was learning I was learning their

songs and actually you know there's

an argument to say that this is

another band that perhaps

influenced my writing in some way

yeah yeah that's a really good

point because of that they're in

the gene pool of the things I was

learning on guitar I didn't I didn't

really connect with either of these

records when they came out it was

much later for me this wasn't the

music I was in the mid 90s you

know yeah that just wasn't the music

I was listening to and it was

probably I don't know probably 10

years later yeah you know and and

just here and thinking oh that's

that you know quite cool that is

yeah go back and have a listen

um but but interestingly enough

actually come to think of it it was

the album just think about so this

was guitar when I started singing

and developing my voice and and

learning to sing or practicing

singing yeah that was the one after

so that was be here now oh so be

here now was the one that had the

chord book with the lyrics so I'd

learn to play those songs I I

didn't didn't fancy it at the

beginning I'd like to think I was

clever enough to say we should have

two front men but I wasn't but in

hindsight it was fucking great how it

would work would be he would sing

them all and then I'd be like hmm

maybe not getting that one maybe I'll

try that one one of the great things

about Oasis gigs would be after 40

minutes it was all kind of calm down

and I'd sing talk tonight and half the

world away and they're no lesser songs

you know they're fucking amazing songs

and they bring and they're communal

anthems everybody would take a breath

if songs were drinks right Liam's is a

shot of tequila right and mine's half a

Guinness mine's half a Guinness on a

Tuesday yeah it's alright Liam's is ten

shots of tequila on a fucking Friday night

it's the delivery or the tone of his

voice and the attitude I don't have the

same attitude as him the only time we

ever had a thing was when we do morning

glory and it was Wonderwall and don't

look back in anger and I said I'm

singing one of them you take your pick and

and he hated Wonderwall I wanted to sing

don't look back in anger but then

someone from creation came down and

said that's going to be a worldwide

hit and he went I do like it what's

it like trying to sing Liam you

certainly can't imitate him you know

that's what I was thinking yeah you

certainly can't do that but you can

that I'll tell you what it is about

about Noel's songs and because

obviously Noel was kind of the

primary principal writer he can write

a hook he can write a top line and

actually they're really like Oasis

songs and actually really nice songs

to sing okay because because they

because they're very they're written

I don't know they're written with

singing a simple top line in mind

yeah yeah so you can sing it back or

so a crowd can sing it to you yeah

and that and he's he's a kind of a

master we should talk about that

because they're anthemic aren't they

whenever you see Oasis live yeah

there's a huge part of the audience

yeah taking part in that and it is

it's that there are a few bands

that are just brilliant that I think

I think Bon Jovi a brilliant

and Nickelback are amazing at this

they've got this ability to write a

song which you you want to scream

yeah back to them and everybody you

feel like empowered to yes like it's

not like Pearl Jam no where you don't

know any of the words to any of the

songs you know the noises yeah like

yeah but you don't know the you know

what I mean whereas this stuff is like

like it's all about create creating a

communal experience yeah I think that's

why Nebworth happened because they were

they were incredible at creating

communal experiences for people that

went to see them because of the songs

and because of you know they wanted to

see Liam they wanted to hear that

voice they wanted to hear Noel sing

but then and they wanted them to you

know because they're a bit gobby aren't

they and they wanted to experience that

but ultimately you know past all of

that I think Oasis are a band that

bring people together to enjoy music I

think and I think that's it that and

that's why that meteoric rise happened

there's a lovely bit in supersonic

where Noel is kind of reflecting back on

like the first few gigs saying that you

know we obviously we knew our songs

and we knew we were the best band in

the world yeah even though only seven

people came to see it right and he said

that there was this point is that I can

still remember this point he said we as

the first singles went out so their

supersonic went out it changed so we

were going and playing and it's in

steadily the numbers increase but they

didn't know us we were essentially being

put on bigger bills yeah but they

weren't our fans mmm and then he says

like overnight kids turned up and they

were there to see us yes and it was

just after supersonic went out and he

said that there was this like feeling

that he said nothing's ever come close

to it before and it was that first time

I mean it doesn't like nebworth didn't

come close to this is that but you you

you've written supersonic we've been

playing it for months and we've been

a couple of months and then all of a

sudden you're in a you know thousand

fifteen hundred seater you know theater

it's when we got to Japan cigarettes and

alcohol really the kids hang out in

parks drinking cider in Tokyo I don't

know but again it's got to be the

melodies of something there's just

something I don't know looking back on

it now and even in America you know what I

mean it's like we we we we hit it off

pretty quickly there's it's got to be

magic that's all it can be you can't say

well it's because of we never had a

particularly big hit in America until

Wonderwall we never had a big hit in

Europe people were coming to us we

weren't we weren't ramming it down

people's throats so it has to be the

it has to be the music it just has to

be it's gone and everyone's singing your

lyrics back to you yeah and he said

the the absurdity of the fact that you

know I I wrote those lyrics haphazardly

in a room in 15 minutes at three o'clock

in the afternoon to fit this this because

we needed a song that our drummer could

play yeah and he said that you know

they're meaningless they're not they

it's not like philosophy or poetry or

you know I there's no meaning behind

this stuff I needed a song I needed a

hook I need and that's I so I just

threw that's what came out of my brain

to fill the gaps that I you know I

needed the things to say and then to

see these kids hooked on these words

and and singing them back to you he said

he said it was like you know nothing

compares to so I mean so it's all about

supersonic yeah just think of the top

line on that it's pretty much one note

it's all the way through

I mean it's like it's one it's pretty

much one note which with the occasional

jump and that and that's the verse it's

it's so of course people are going to

sing it yeah because it's easy it's

memorable it's catchy it's simple it's

yeah it is great

she's electric she's in a family full of

eccentrics she's done things I've never

never expected and I need more time she's got a sister and got only one

She's electric

She's in a family full of eccentrics

She's done things I've never expected

And I need more time

She's got a sister

And God only knows how I've missed her

And on the palm of her hand is a blister

And I need more time

And I want you to know

I've got my mind made up now

But I need more time

And I want you to say

Do you know what I'm saying?

But I need more

'Cause I'll be you and you'll be me

There's lots and lots for us to see

There's lots and lots for us to do

And I want you to know what I'm saying

And I want you to know what I'm saying

I want you to know what I'm saying

And I want you to know what I'm saying

I want you to know what I'm saying

I want you to know what I'm saying

I want you to know what I'm saying

I want you to know what I'm saying

I want you to know what I'm saying

I want you to know what I'm saying

And I want you to know what I'm saying

And I want you to know what I'm saying

I want you to know what I'm saying

I want you to know what I'm saying

I want you to know what I'm saying

And I want you to know what I'm saying

Got my mind made up now

Got my mind made up now

But I need more time

And I want you to say

Do you know what I'm saying

But I need more

Cause I'll be you and you'll be me

There's lots and lots for us to see

There's lots and lots for us to do

She's electric

Could I be electric too?

Could I be electric too?

Could I be electric too?

Can I be electric too?

It was written around the time of Definitely Maybe

But it got bumped for Diggsie's Dinner

Because I think Diggsie's Dinner sounded better live

Because it's a less complicated song

But again it's got great words

I don't know how I've come up with that shit

I don't know how I've come up with that

It's kind of like

The importance of being idle in its 60s-ness

And it's got a definite kind of story

And it's very Britpop

And listening to Liam at those iNotes was like

Wow

Like I say we weren't snobs

It's like when I would play people cigarettes and alcohol for the first time

And they'd say

It sound like T-Rex

So I'm like no

No shit

Does it fuck off?

What?

No way