Revisiting Ten: Pearl Jam’s Accidental Masterpiece

there we go you see i i do you know i love eddie vedder's kind of

i um i sing to this album in the car a lot do you no idea what he's singing no no idea what i don't

know what the lyrics mean don't know what the words mean yeah all that all that yeah all that

yeah screaming along and and and you get really self-conscious if anyone sees you singing away

in the car because you think oh what if they know the words to this no one knows the words i don't

think is it the opposite of bon jovi yes it is if you yeah it's one of those things where i think if

you ever find out what the words to any of these pearl jam songs actually are eddie vedder comes

and kills you that's the way it works you get edited it's like final destination do you know what i mean

yeah yeah yeah vedder yeah he just turns up darth vedder like

he just turns up like like i don't know like three o'clock in the morning and just looks at you and

you you know and then he just murders you you know the words now that's it yeah yeah just murders

you on the spot so this is you know what because we've done uh a pearl jam album in this podcasty

format already yeah we have we did vitology didn't we did yeah yeah yeah and that's a punkier affair

that was like later on in the album number two three three three verses yeah yeah so um someone

corrects on that we did we got very well yeah you've got i've got a bone to be somebody um

um yeah i think it was last week when we think it was kendall kendall said that you um you suggested

that uh pearl jam had not had a line of change and they've had quite a few drummers lots of drummers

and then you said drummers don't count

so this is part of the part of the joy of this podcast can i say that lindsay strongly disagreed

with that strongly disagree with with you saying drummers don't count did she yeah

strongly disagree she just said strong disagree

she did that's on a survey that's like one end of the survey isn't it i don't i don't i don't know

strongly agree strongly i just think you are in trouble i think the next time the next time you

are a gig in lenses there you are in trouble this is part of the game for me though like

what like it's what are we going to get wrong this week and i quite like that

what a tagline yeah that's just epic isn't it yeah just tell us what we get wrong it's a brilliant

what are they going to screw up this week that is bloody brilliant so

there can't be many podcasts that that's their um no no no that's a usp is that we might get some

stuff wrong and that you you might have to correct us on some stuff yeah i do i quite like that to be

fair but um um uh we so last week we did temple of the dog so it's worth saying we're riffology

oh riffology that's us yeah i'm i'm neil you're chris um we don't really know what we're doing

we turn up we can't we've got we're like um the beauty is lots of people don't know what they're

doing with us so it's great we're on a journey together learning together everyone's listening

everyone's putting us right we're on a journey of education in collaboration we we we turn up uh we're i was

gonna say a little bit like puppies do you know what i mean that yeah the enthusiasm no idea what

we're doing really but we turn up anyway um every week we pick an album like an iconic album or an

album that we think is pretty epic and we we just turn up and we um we learn about it yeah we remember

the songs we play bits of the songs we play interviews uh of the making of it people that were

involved in it and we remind ourselves a little bit about what it was that was special about it and what

else was happening in the world you know what i mean what what kind of stuff happened after what

led up to it yeah we always have free pastels we do i've got the wrong it's been a bit of a drama

today because we normally have cans of coke we do yeah and i went to i went to the little sainsbury's

next they don't sell that in my house don't sell that um they i could buy eight cans but i only want

to so i had to get bottles yeah from the free but so that was a bit of a drama and then i went to the

sweetie aisle yeah and then um they didn't diet coke or coke zero mainly coke zero actually yeah you're

a coke zero yeah and then and then the thing is the fruit pastels we normally get the red and black

i couldn't find them no i even asked some i said have you got any red and black ones what

so i had to get the normal ones yeah so it's a bit of a drama so if you want to send us some uh round

trees and uh coca-cola oh my god could you imagine that do you know people have lots of people have

reached out to us about sponsorship have they yes yeah that's good i i'm not convinced they're real

they're mostly jewelry brands telling us that they feel our aura wow our aura matches their own

yeah yeah yeah and if we give them like 500 pounds oh i see right send us some yeah we'll get some for

500 pounds yeah yeah i don't want i don't i i don't know i had an aura did you do you have an aura i think

i have yeah what's your aura key aura key aura i loved that key aura adverts um anyway shall we talk

about 10 10 is a great album this is an album that i had on cd and i had the real one on cd i didn't burn

it this was 1991 i didn't have it in 1991 now the problem with this is you could not have burnt this in

1991 there was no such thing as the cdr in 1991 do you know what you would have had in 1991

you'd have had a tdk c90 yeah yeah yeah yeah and you'd have had this someone's one actually this is a

long album this is yeah it's got 53 minutes wow right so you might have if you were clever what you

might have that's the wrong side of 45 minutes for you isn't it yeah you might have got a c60

yes and half half each side as long as it didn't cut halfway through a track that would have been a bit

of a drama for me and i had to go and get the c90 um which would have upset me because then i'd have

had like an uneven balance on the side well then i've got like 53 minutes i've got 50 60 70 18 i've

got 40 minutes yeah yeah yeah yeah of space and what am i going to do with that yeah do you start it

again what do you do what do you do i don't know i mean you could put your favorite bits on the end

yeah you could put another album on the end you could record your own version of the song

you could you could have using in a whatever um i don't know what you would do with that one but

you would have had that on cassette i would have had that on you accept i was later so i came to it in

96 97 when i was right where you did have line wire and the cdrs yes and the viruses that went along

with it yeah yeah yeah but at the time uh no i had i bought that properly on cd because i loved it that

much uh yeah i i think this one for me would definitely have been a tdk c90 yeah in the car

i would have had a six cd multi-changer uh on the sony thing that spun around that was a bit

fancy well i'd have it on going around while i was asleep and then every time the disc changer went

and crunched and i'd wake up and it'd wake me up because it'd be noisy and then it'd relax again and

then go back to sleep again um and it would have probably been jeff buckley it would have been grace

it would have been this yeah it would have been both cds from melancholy that's for what else would

have been in there august and everything after and possibly performance of cocktails that would

have been what would be covering satellites oh no actually you're right yeah recovering satellites

sorry because i yeah that's interesting i've been listening to counting crowds a lot this week yeah

they've got some new stuff haven't they they have but that's not i i started to listen back to

um i heard somebody talking about uh the recording the production on august and everything after

being it was listed it was an article i read about like the 20 best albums for audio files yeah okay

and i read and i just thought these are all crap and then you know what i mean the counting crows was

there and i thought oh yeah for august was yeah oh wow okay and all they've done is just looked at

the dino they've literally gone onto a database and gone show me all the ones with high dynamic range

as in like quiet bits and loudy bits yeah right and you're like i could do that

it does that i suppose doesn't it just go quiet and loud yeah yeah and but anyway i went back and

listened to that and i thought oh guys this really it is a great record and then and then i kind of

worked my way through to some of their newer stuff and they've got a new album um a new album working

through as well yeah yeah but yeah it kind of reminded me that when we when we did recovering

the satellites um i don't know just kind of how different those um and and yeah yeah it applies

a little bit to pearl jam too because like august and everything after went to recovering the

satellites it was a radical change yeah in in production and in yeah um i was thinking seasons

i've got a thing about music and albums and seasons and august and everything after is like early or it's

autumn yeah yeah yeah and recovering the satellites is like the dead of winter yeah yeah yeah it's um

yes it's a dark much darker record i think but the the same is true here like 10 for me from pearl jam

feels i was going to say produced but it doesn't it but it sounds commercial it's very commercial it was

the use of chorus the use of those kind of shimmery modulation effects yeah lots of very very posh reverbs

at the time um and that kind of really it was very lush i always thought it sounded really lush

tended this this particular version of it obviously there was a version later yes that um is it brendan

o'brien remixed yeah yeah and that's a rocky that's a rocky affair was that the redux yes yeah yeah no i

actually really enjoyed that i thought you know as a general rule we don't like those things do we

no i i'm not i i'm with you i i thought that was very very good didn't screw that up so that was nice

and you said big you know big fat rock sound on that yeah this was a bit as you say it's kind of pop

in a way you know it's a yeah it's a it there's no there's nothing unpleasant on this album at all

there's no like sharp edges there's no dissonance to it at all it's all um reminds me of what you'd

get from mutt lang yes you know i mean it's this kind of um like stadium rock do you know what i mean

it's there's no sharp edges nothing that's going to upset you no nothing's going to wake you up if

you fall asleep do you know what i mean there's nothing there that's gonna until the next cd comes on

yeah um but then when they went to verses and vitalogy yeah that tone change and it just gets

yeah you get that it's um drier sharper this is this is a very wet sounding album that sounds really

really weird it's reverby reverby yeah it's a wet sounding album whereas the other two were really

quite bone dry weren't they it is there are hints of where they were going on here as well because you've

got porch which i really like on here so a lot of this album to me doesn't sound like pearl jam

i love it but it does you know what i mean it's not it doesn't sound like pearl jam um where porch for

me is where that's that's pearl jam that's what they sound or that's where they you know when i think of

pearl jam that's what they sound like yeah if that makes sense and it's they kind of um i just kind of

grew into this like snarling beast

what the fuck is this world running to you didn't leave a message at least i could have learned your voice

one last time daily mind till this could be my time by you would you hate me would you hate me

all the bills roll by and these details are taken off by the metal there ain't gonna be any metal anymore and the cross

i'm bearing home

it didn't take until both my place left the boards left the boards

oh

bear my name

take a good look

this could be the day before my death

walk beside me

i just need you to stay

guitar solo

I hear my name, take a good look

This could be the day, hold my hand

Like beside me, I just need you to stay

What would I say, I just want to dance

I know and I would not have turned you

Hold you, feel you, am I home?

Yeah, yeah, yeah

It's nice to meet other musicians and we spent two days in Germany with Bad Religion and I'm trying to think of some of the other bands that we like.

It's nice to meet other musicians and we spent two days in Germany with Bad Religion and I'm trying to think of some of the other bands that we like.

It feels like family too. You know, you can relate because you're going through the same things and you understand each other and it's nice.

That to me, that's like part of the family whether it's underground, overground, out of ground. It doesn't matter because you can do the same thing you've always done and all of a sudden you won't be underground anymore.

So it has nothing to do with you. So that's why you can't judge it. That's why you can't even pay any attention to it.

I mean I certainly don't and I would hope a listener doesn't either. It's a very strange thing. I mean you don't do anything different. You write the same songs, you're still talking even about the same songs, those same songs can all of a sudden cross over and now all of a sudden everybody looks at you differently.

Nothing's changed. So you really can't listen to again the talk, listen to music, listen to the, look at the paintings when you talk about a painter. Don't talk about like the hype or the art or the scene.

It doesn't matter. So it can be a good thing where more people can hear music that they should be hearing, you know, that expresses themselves, that is art that they relate to, that is art that has aggression.

Produced by the same producer, a guy called Rick Parashar, who did Temple of the Dog.

Okay. So they'd already built that relationship through that period with him.

But he also did. And then he also came on and did this. Wow.

He did Facelift, Blind Melon.

Blind Melon are great.

They are great, aren't they?

A band I've been listening to this week is Therapy.

It's just mega, isn't it?

Yeah.

Isn't it? It's funny how albums just hit you and you just think, I'll probably not listen to that for 20 years.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And somebody said that, I'm going to go off on a little bit of a tangent.

It's not like us to do this.

It was the 50th anniversary of Where I Work.

Oh, wow.

This week or last, this week, I think.

Anyway, it was the 50th anniversary.

And our Irish subsidiary did a playlist on Spotify.

Right.

Of all of the greatest Irish bands across all the generations.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah.

And then someone shared it and says, you like music.

So they shared it with me.

And do you know what wasn't there?

Anything.

It was just full of rubber, just junk.

And I'm like, what is this?

And then the lady that put it together said, well, what would you have put on it then?

Oh, really?

Oh, no.

I was like going, I shall provide you a list of great Irish musicians.

Thank you very much.

And then went on to deliver a whole bunch of stuff that Gary Moore wasn't even on it.

Wow.

How can you not have Gary Moore on your thing?

It's Gary Moore Irish.

Yeah.

I didn't know this.

And then you didn't have, like, there's a bloody statue of Feline Art in the downstairs of Dublin.

And how can you not?

No thinlissing?

No.

Cranberries?

But the thing that hit me was, Therapy are Irish as well.

Are they Irish?

I didn't know that either.

I don't know.

I don't know anything, really.

You don't.

You're useless.

Why do you?

Why am I doing this podcast?

Why are you here?

But yeah, no.

Anyway, that's a mild, a mild wander off the beaten path for us.

But yeah, it didn't, it didn't upset me.

I was just disappointed.

You know, when you think, how can you not know?

I wasn't angry.

I was just disappointed.

And they put U2 in it.

Did they?

Yeah.

Is it good U2 though?

No.

Oh.

Because I've got some good ones.

Yeah.

The old stuff was all right before they went mad.

Do you know what I mean?

It was before the ego got bigger than the studio they were in.

And then, and then I didn't like that.

Where the Streets Have No Name.

Great song.

I didn't like it when they put their album in my iTunes.

Yes.

Oh yeah, no, that's, that's a bit presumptuous, isn't it?

Didn't like that.

Yeah.

Didn't like that.

I don't, you don't do that, do you?

No.

Do you know what I mean?

Yeah.

You don't, you don't just, you don't just like come in someone's ears like that, do you?

What without asking first?

Yeah.

Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You can't, it's just, it's just downright rude.

Hard drive consent.

That's what it is.

It's just rude, I think.

It's just unpleasant.

Anyway, we were talking about Rick Parashar's production.

I hadn't realised, it's him and his brother, and the studio is, and I've got it on my list

here, it's a studio called London Bridge.

Wow.

In Seattle, and it was like an epicentre of the grunge scene.

Yeah, yeah.

There's like tons and tons of stuff.

And it's called London Bridge, that's a cool name, isn't it?

It is, isn't it?

Yeah.

Tons of stuff was there, and then there was a bit of finishing that was done in Ridge

Farm in Surrey, apparently, but the vast majority was done in London Bridge.

But I hadn't realised that Temple of the Dog and Ten were done.

You know, we talked last week about how the Temple of the Dog and Ten, they weren't that

far apart.

They got released only about four months or so apart.

There was a whole bunch of kind of, you know, like Chris Cornell and Soundgarden, and then

he came off tour, and then Eddie Vedder was coming up there, and then what was Mother

Love Bone?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then these musicians just kind of looking for stuff to do, because they've all got like

bands that have just, you know, have stopped recording for whatever reason, and then end

up in various studios.

And then you've got Temple of the Dog, and then you've got Ten.

But it was interesting, I think it was interesting, the tone.

Because you can kind of hear, it's a very, it's a similar, well, it's a similar tone, I think,

but it's, you can kind of hear, I think, the, like the flavour of where Pearl Jam would

become from Temple of, Temple of the Dog's like a different album.

Yes.

But I can hear where that's going.

Yeah, yeah, totally.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I think one of the things I remember from when we were talking about Temple of the Dog

is it was like, it was like a jam with lyrics.

Yes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's what it felt like, and whereas what you've got coming through here, and also what

Chris Cornell was doing with Soundgarden, is that then the song craft came.

I think, yeah, I think there's more time to, I think there was just much more time to caress

this.

I think Temple of the Dog was like, in the studio, bing bang bosh.

Yeah.

Your man there twiddled some knobs and then banged it out, right?

Yeah, yeah.

It was great.

And then down the pub, right?

I think that was kind of where they are.

I think this, they kind of realised, actually, this is a bit.

Yeah, we got it.

It feels like with this album, they've got something to say.

We basically made the record, I guess it was three or four months after becoming a band,

so I think it's a very raw and very young sounding record, which is exactly where we were at that

time.

I think that's kind of how this band wants to operate, but letting some of the rough edges

show and just being honest with where we're at musically.

Well, we're playing these songs live, you know, every night, and they're definitely even

being taken to a different space, but even as far as like the new stuff that we're writing

and mind you, I'm incredibly proud of that record.

This band pretty much looks to the future, pretty much at all times, at least.

It seems to be growing by leaps and bounds.

Yeah, exactly.

And they've got some songs, they've got some stories.

It wasn't well-funded.

Really?

Yeah.

That surprises me.

It wasn't particularly well-funded.

So they, it was funded, I think it was Epic, I'm checking my notes.

Yeah.

Yeah, it was Epic that funded it, a month, four weeks in the studio.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So you're actually in the, in the studio itself.

Sort of top to tail, writing, tracking, that kind of thing.

I think they'd written it.

Yeah.

I think it was mostly written.

Right.

And then, and then they'd kind of just gone in there, but four weeks isn't a long time

to go and bang out an album.

I mean, well, not, not this one.

No.

Well, it's a long record as well.

There's like, there's a, what is it?

How many tracks?

There's quite a few tracks on it, aren't there?

There are 11.

Yeah.

Well, it's shipped with 11, 53 minutes long, which is too long, but it's, the tracks are

not long though.

The tracks, I think the tracks are really good.

It doesn't feel like a long record to me.

It doesn't feel like a long record to me either.

It feels like it's kind of over, like, you know, the, the longest,

track, although the last track is nine minutes released.

But most of them are kind of like three, four, five minutes, which is an acceptable length.

So that, that, that, so, so if it was a normal length last song, then you'd be down, you'd

shave off, you know, yeah, you'd be down to 45 minutes, which is, which is an, yeah, an

acceptable length.

Maybe that's why it doesn't feel long.

Yeah.

Do you know what I mean?

One side of a CD90, whatever it is, TDK90.

Yeah.

That's one side.

You'd fit it on one side, wouldn't you?

And then you could put something on.

You could put Temple of the Dog on the other.

Yeah, there you go.

You've got a bang in C90 then, haven't you?

Yeah.

That's a good C90.

You've got a bang in C90.

You'd have to all handwritten.

I love seeing that.

You know, when people share pictures and stuff, I love to see the handwritten.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

There's a, you might know this already.

In fact, I'm sure our listeners do, but there is a, um, a cassette tape from Metallica with

James, or Lars, I think it was, handwrote when they did their thing.

And it's the one that got sent to Metal Blade and kind of started to get the sign.

And it's in, uh, I want to say it's in, oh God, it's in LA somewhere.

It's in one of the, it's in one of the, the, the hard rock things.

Enshrined, did it?

Yeah, it is.

Yeah, it is.

And it's the original, the original tape.

The thing that I hadn't realised about that, um, was that there's, if you go onto eBay and

look for them, there's thousands of them.

Right, wow.

And people just see the picture of it and then write it themselves and then, and then

try and tell it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So yeah, oh yeah, yeah, totally legit, mate.

Do you know what I mean?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then, and then try and, try and tell it.

So be careful of that if you are looking for it.

Um, should we do some minor facts?

Let's do some minor facts.

Um, so, uh, let me go through and do my thing.

So released August 27th, 1991.

So it was a summer album.

It was, yeah.

Album title, 10, original name of the band.

Do you know what this, do you know this story?

I don't know this story, no.

So, uh, initially named Mookie Blaylock.

Mookie Blaylock was, and I might get that he was a basketball player.

Right.

Um, and do you know what the number on his shirt was?

Go on, see if you can get it.

Yeah.

10.

10, yeah.

Right, okay.

Um, and they, cause they really liked him.

So, um.

You're making this up.

I'm not.

I should do not.

This is true.

And then, um, yeah.

And, and, and then I don't know where Pearl Jam itself came from.

No.

But that was the original, the original name.

Yeah.

Um, and then, yeah.

And then they, they eventually, they, uh, yeah, they changed, uh, changed their name to

Pearl Jam.

So, um, I, I'm not sure that they would have been that successful if they'd have, if they'd

have remained Mookie Blaylock.

No.

It's not got the same, it doesn't roll off the tongue quite as well, doesn't it?

No.

Pearl Jam really, really rolls off the tongue.

Yeah.

It's cool, isn't it?

Yeah.

The album artwork designed by Jeff Ament and Lance Mercer.

Um, I think it's really interesting, the, the, um, the album art for this one.

It's kind of like, like it could be anybody.

Yes.

You kind of know who it is.

Yeah.

Do you know what I mean?

It is such an iconic cover though, at the same time.

It is.

It's kind of backlit as well.

Yeah.

You know, the Pearl Jam bit of it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's not flat.

It's kind of backlit.

I, uh, and you can see when they're, like, they're armed.

It's like, it's like in front of a, like a billboard or something like that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Um, yeah, no, I, I quite like that.

I like the, I like the interesting album cover.

I think that's really cool.

Um.

What's your favourite thing about this album?

Oh, um, do you know what stands out to me hugely is, uh, do you remember, um, Guitar

Hero on the, oh, what was it on?

PlayStation 2 probably.

I can't remember.

No, it wasn't PlayStation 4, but it was Even Flow.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it was learning to play Even Flow on the plastic guitar.

And I love that.

Um, the thing that stands out for me on this record, what do I really like about it?

Um, I, it, it, it's, there's just something.

There's something about this record that like always has them, just pulls you in.

Yeah.

So you, I said at the, um, the beginning a little bit that, um, you know, some albums are like

headphone albums and some are speaker albums.

And this, this one's just an album that just needs to be played slightly louder than you'd

probably think it should.

Yeah.

And you know what I mean?

And then, and then it, it like, I find it really difficult to switch it off.

It kind of comes in and you know, because you know, there's another amazing song coming

like this.

The songwriting just is, it's just phenomenal, but it feels effortless.

It doesn't feel crap.

It's not like a Def Leppard record where you kind of know that they agonized over every bar

of that record had Nut Lang kind of going, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

That needs to be a key high.

That needs to be like a fraction here and a fraction.

This feels like organic, but the songwriting feels phenomenal.

It just, it's like, I'm going to say authentic.

It feels just, um, yeah, it just feels phenomenal.

And I love the production on it as well.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

How about you?

Um, it's the, it's the, the thing that I love about it now is the thing I didn't quite

like about it when I first heard it because I'd heard like friend, I'd, I'd heard friends

cover songs from this before I'd heard the record.

Oh, gotcha.

If that makes sense.

So the way I'd listened to this record was like people playing it really raw with maybe

an acoustic guitar and hitting it hard and, and all that sort of stuff.

And then when you listen to the song, you said earlier, it's, it's, it's not got very jagged

edges.

It's quite rounded as a sound.

It's quite, um, it's not punky, is it?

It doesn't feel raw.

No, no, it's really, it's really quite, you know, there's bits like chorus and reverbs and

stuff on, on, and it's quite shimmery.

It's quite shimmery sounding record.

And at the time when I first heard it, I went, Oh, I quite like it raw.

I'm not quite sure about all this, all this stuff on it, but actually over time, I think

as you get older, you don't mind a bit of chorus.

No.

I said about this with Dan Baker, who we speak about every now and then.

It's an age thing, isn't it?

Yeah, yeah.

It's a maturity.

I used to like everything really crunched and really heavy and really like oversaturated

and driven and punchy and now.

Smashing pumpkins.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

Um, and jagged and that sort of thing.

And, and, and, you know, hearing this now, it's those little, little moments like in Jeremy

where you've got that in those little harmonics at the start and there's just a little bit,

probably too much reverb on him.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I like that.

It does.

Yeah.

It is very reverb-y.

It's very, everything's kind of, it's a lovely reverb, but it's a lush sound that I think

it's lushness that I really like.

Yeah, actually, that's a brilliant way of describing it.

I think you described it as wet earlier and I'm preferring, I'm preferring lush to wet, if

I'm honest, for, for this album.

And I, but you're right.

I think there's an energy to it.

Yeah.

There's a, there's an, there's a, an energy and a drive to probably two thirds of the record,

I think, where the tracks are kind of upbeat and, and driven.

And then there are some that are just, I don't know, like Jeremy is a brilliant example of

that, where it kind of is this, I don't know, it is lush, isn't it?

It's kind of, just kind of pulls you in.

But there's space.

Yeah.

There's space.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

There's space between everything.

And there's space.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

The people of the world are the earth like butterflies

Oh, we don't know, slowly chases them away, yeah

He'll begin his life again, life again, life again

I'm leaving, looking through the paper though he doesn't know to read

Oh, praying, not just something that has never showed him anything

Oh, feeling, understands the weather of the winter's on his way

Oh, feeling, still and far between all the legal halls the same

Yeah

Even though he walks around like butterflies

Oh, he don't know, so he chases them away, yeah

Oh, something, yeah

He'll begin his life again

Oh, whispering hands

Send me, feel him away

Yeah, my way

Yeah, my way

The chorus is one tempo and the verse is another and never shall the twain shall meet

What you're in love with and you think, well, it's not quite there yet

And then you look back on it and go, it was probably any one of those first five takes were it's fine

And wasn't our drummer Dave Kruzan at the time?

Not yet

I think his girlfriend was in the hospital giving birth, maybe

Yeah

I was like, no, sorry, man

You gotta stay here until this big time

Oh, my God

Even though he was a hurt like butterflies

Even though he was a hurt like butterflies

Even though he was a hurt like butterflies

Oh, he don't know

Even though he was a hurt like butterflies

Oh, he don't know

He evens the home

Cause they're hurt like butterflies

Oh, he don't know

So he chases them away

Oh, I'm slumped in

He'll begin his life again

Oh, I'm always bringing plans

To lead him away

Well, my problem was having made a record before

I thought Take Two was unbelievable

I was kind of just giving it

I was going to prove

I was just giving everything I had

Every take

No one told me

We'll end up singing this again

We've learned our lesson since then

I don't think we played anything more than

Three takes on the new record

You get older and wiser

Did you like my editing there?

What I did

Yeah

I just watched Chris edit some of the podcast

It feels weird

Like watching you edit it while we're doing it

Yeah, because normally we do a big long record

You do

And then we cut it up and put the bits in the place

Yeah

But tonight I fancied a change

Doing it in the mix

In the mix

Doing it live in the mix

We can do it in the mix

I was doing facts

And then we got distracted

Shall I carry on doing some facts?

Let's go back to facts

So in the band

This particular time

Yes

Was Eddie Vedder on the vocals

Mike McCready on lead guitar

Stone Gossard, rhythm guitar

Jeff Ament on bass guitar

Now they're the regulars

Yeah

Yeah

And then Dave Crewson on drums

Now Dave left

Yeah

Just after they recorded

Yeah

But that doesn't matter

Do you know why?

No

Went into rehab didn't he?

Something like that

But also his girlfriend had a child

That's what the little bit was I just put in

Like drawing the record

He went into

He goes into rehab

And I wonder if that's why

Because he had a child

Wants to kind of go and get clean

Yeah yeah yeah

And he's a drummer

And no one cares

I didn't mean that

Drummers

I didn't mean that

I'm only joking

I can't believe that

I didn't realise

I didn't realise there were

Multiple drummers in Pearl Jam

I thought it was just the same guys

I just love the idea

Of you in the studio

And your band drummer turns up

And you're like

Who are you?

What are you doing?

And then it's going

That's our drummer

Yeah

Oh

Alright

Come in

And then you're just like

You can constantly go

What's your name again?

Yeah

The whole recording session

I'm just

Anyway

We were talking a little bit

About the London Bridge Studios

In Seattle

Established in 1985

By Rick and Raj Parashar

London Bridge

Did tons of the Seattle scene

Like they went in there

So that was almost like

The sound city for grunge then

Yeah

High ceilings and hardwood floors

Really?

Now

You don't need to hear much more than that

Yeah

To know that's what

You know what that room sounds like

But just from that

High ceiling and hardwood floors

Yeah

It's the room space

Isn't it

Tightly mic'd kit

And then the

The room

Yeah

Anyway that was really excellent

Recorded the album in one month

In March 1991

Also did Temple of the Dog

Which is pretty excellent

I think

It was recorded on a

Neve 8048

It says

Oh beautiful

Well it's very

Analogy

Yeah

It's got that lovely sound to it

I think as well

That's part of the

Part of the lush that is actually

The lushness

Yeah

Yeah

Interestingly after

Dave

Leaves

So he leaves after the recording

Sessions are finished

Oh really?

But the album's not

Mastered and mixed

Yeah

So it was mastered still in

Sorry

It was mixed in Seattle

Yeah

Chris has just taken the top off his coke

I did it on the mic

Because I thought

I can't do it subtly

So I might as well just make a bit of a meal of him

Yeah so it was mixed in Seattle

And then mastered at Ridge Farm Studios in Surrey

In Surrey

In Surrey

In England

Surrey

Surrey

Yeah so for those that are local

We're from not far from Birmingham

And Surrey

Is how people from Birmingham say sorry

Surrey

Surrey

I've never even thought of that

What?

Yeah there we know

Well it's true

Yeah

No offence to people from Surrey or Birmingham

But it's true

That's just the way it is

Surrey

It is isn't it?

It is

If you look Giza Butler

Yeah

He would come in right now

Aussie

Yeah

Aussie would come in right now

He would knock something off

And he'd say

Surrey

Wouldn't he?

He would

That's what Aussie sounds like

That's why Aussie sounds like that

You should do like teaching people accents

Because he's from Birmingham

Surrey

Anyway it was

Yeah so it was finished off by Tim Palmer

In Surrey

And it's really interesting

That a lot of the albums

Like final tone

Is down to Tim

Apparently

Wow right

Rick recorded

Rick Parishar did

Alice in Chains' Facelift

Temple of a Dog

Blind Melon

It's a good album

We should consider doing that one as well

And then Ten as well

Other interesting facts

Do you imagine this did well or not

When it was released?

I can imagine the singles did well

Like the videos

But maybe the album didn't sell as much

Until let's say a live comes out

Or something like that

So it was released in August

Yeah

Ninety-one

By the end of ninety-two

Ten was number two on the chart

So it took a year

From release

To

Doing anything

And that's because

God that must be disheartening

When it was released

No one cared about grunge

Yeah

There wasn't a grunge scene

At that point

And you have to

So

I see

As like Nirvana

And it was bizarre

Thinking about it at this time

But

Pearl Jam were bigger than Nirvana

Yes

At this point

Yeah

Do you know what I mean

It was only

It was only kind of after

Kurt Cobain died

That Nirvana got this

Yeah

You know

Kurt became the face

If you like

Of the grunge scene

Yeah

But yeah

Anyway

As the grunge scene grew

This album grew

And then just

Just became a monster

Yeah

Just became absolutely massive

Which is

I always find fascinating

That

I'm trying to think of other albums

That did this

Hysteria

Death Leopard's Hysteria

It was released and no one cared

Yeah

And then they went to America

Yeah

There's a few

Where they're just like

Nothing

Like nothing happened

And then

And then

You know

Whatever

You know

The things happened

And it became huge

You just assume

Don't you

That you

Yeah

You know

You release a thing

And if it's a great thing

Everyone's going to find it

Yeah

No it doesn't

So it takes time

Absolutely did not

For this one

It was multi-platinum

In loads of countries

Certified

13 times platinum

In

In the US

Which is

I mean just

Nuts

Loads of awards

It got an award for Jeremy

The music video

Great

Yeah

Which is

That's kind of the one

That I remember

That I remember

From this

This era

Everybody

Adored this album

The critics

Oh really

Everybody just

Gushed over this album

It's really interesting

I think if you follow

The critics

With Pearl Jam

They

They just keep

Harping back

Saying well

You're not doing

Anything new

Do you know what I mean

If you look at what

The same critics

Talk about Metallica

Yeah

Keep saying

Why are you doing

Something different

Yeah

Do you know what I mean

What's all this about

Why are you not doing

This

I just kind of want

Can't win

Yeah

So anyway

The critics

As you go on

Through Pearl Jam albums

The critics

I think they've run out

Of stuff

Do you know what I mean

Yeah

Other albums released

In the same year

Nevermind

Yeah

Bad Motor Finger

Yeah

Blood Sugar Sex and Magic

And Out of Time

By R.E.M.

I listened to some R.E.M.

This week actually

R.E.M. are great

It's so good

They are

They're a band

They're another band

Like

Yeah

A bit like Queen

For me

And Metallica

There's a few others

Where you can play

Like a three second clip

Of any song in their catalogue

And you know exactly who it is

Even if you've never heard

The album before

You know where it's

Yeah they've got a thing

Yeah there's like

A certain thing

Where else did I get to here

Singles

Even Flow

Alive

Jeremy

And Oceans

Oceans didn't chart very well

Right

Didn't do particularly well

The big ones

Even Flow Alive

And Jeremy

Yeah

Which is

Is pretty cool

They cite influences

As Led Zeppelin

The Who

And Neil Young

Right

Okay

Yeah

Yeah

That makes

You know what

If

Yeah

If you cross sectioned

All of those bands

And mushed them all together

You'd get Pearl Jam

Wouldn't you

Yeah

I was kind of expecting them

To quote stuff more

From like the Seattle punk scene

You know

Duff McKagan

Talks about

Is it the Melvins

Yeah

There's a bunch of other stuff

From Seattle

The punk scene

Yes

But that

I don't think that fed in particularly

Yeah

Yeah

It's Midwest isn't it Seattle

Is that right

No it's Pacific Northwest

Pacific Northwest

Right

Top

Top left

Up and left

Up and left

Okay got it

That's how Chris navigates everywhere

It's either up or down

For north or south

And then

Right or left isn't it

Yeah yeah that's it

So up and left

Yeah okay

Is where they are

Yeah

They're not far from

It's not far from Canada

Okay yeah yeah yeah

It's like Vancouver and down a bit

Yeah okay yeah

So if you know where that is

Yeah

Like straight down a bit

Yeah

Oh okay

Not for 120 miles

Yeah yeah yeah

Something like a couple of hours

Yeah

On a bus maybe

Yeah yeah yeah

Who gets a bus

But

Anyway there you go

Released in 1991

That's when the Gulf War ended

The Rodney King

Riots

So we talked about that

Before as well

Yep

When we did

Megadeth

Yeah

That was in the same year

So that those

The Rodney King riots

Were happening outside

A studio while

Megadeth

Were recording

Yeah yeah yeah

And then

In August

The World Wide Web

Was made publicly available

Incredible

No one used it

No

I was at university

And we

A few of us were

Kind of using it

But

Nobody knew

What you were talking about

You had modems

And things

And it was shocking

And nothing was there

All that was there

Was scientists

And students

And mathematicians

Like I had got stuff

Published on the web

In 92

Yeah

And it was just

Some maths

And then

But that's all it was

And then steadily

It went from that

To memes

About

I sent you the best meme

Gordon Whamsey

Gordon Whamsey

Doesn't have the best thing ever

So basically

The world's gone

From 1992

Yeah

Mathematical proofs

Yeah

On the web

Yeah

To

Gordon Whamsey

2025

Gordon Whamsey

And if you've not seen

The Gordon Whamsey

You should get on that

It's very very excellent

I loved that

And also

I have to say

You took like

Two days to respond

To that

And I was like

This is the best meme ever

Yeah

What are you

What's wrong with you

I lost my mind a bit this week

Did you

Yeah I did a little bit

To not find that

Like immediately funny

This like

I was like

There's just something wrong with you

Anyway what else

Oh and it's all the dissolution

Of the Soviet Union

In 91

I hadn't realised that

It was the same year

Because if you remember

There was a lot going on wasn't there

Do you remember Metallica

And a load of rock bands

And Skid Row

And they went and did

Peace in Moscow

To like a million and a half

Yeah a million and a half kids

And none of them knew the music

And they were all just going

Absolutely mental

Yeah I remember this

Bon Jovi

Yeah

This is a little story

I like to call The Curse

So the original story

Being told in the song

Is that of a young man

Being made aware of some

Some shocking truths

I know this because I knew the guy

Not well

But

But I knew him

I mean the guy was me

But I barely knew me then

To be honest

I was barely there to be known

And so he takes all this news

Is a curse

And fine the dad's dead

But I'm still alive

And I gotta deal with this

So cut to years later

And we're playing to larger audiences

See a people reacting

In their own

Positive

Interpretation

It was really incredible

When they sing

I'm still alive

You know

It's like they're celebrating

And here's the thing

When they changed the meaning

Of those words

They lifted the curse

It's like they're gonna be in the air

And they're gonna be in the air

And they're gonna be in the air

And they're gonna be in the air

And they're gonna be in the air

And they're gonna be in the air

And they're gonna be in the air

And they're gonna be in the air

And they're gonna be in the air

And they're gonna be in the air

And they're gonna be in the air

So she said

Have I got a little story for you

What you thought was your daddy

Was nothing but her

While we were sitting

Home alone

At 8, 13

The real daddy was dying

Sorry you didn't see them

But I'm glad we talked

I'm still alive

I'm still alive

I'm still alive

Oh, she walked slow

Across the young man's room

She said

I'm ready

For you

Oh, I can't remember

Anything to this very day

Except the love

Except the love

The love

Oh, you know where

Now I can see

See, I just stay

I'm still alive

Oh, I'm still alive

Oh, I'm still alive

I'm still alive

I'm still alive

Yeah, I can't remember

Oh, I'm still alive

Yeah, I can't remember

Oh, I'm still alive

Oh, I'm still alive

Oh, I'm still alive

Is there something wrong

She said

Of course there is

You're still alive

She said

Oh, I'm still alive

Oh, I'm still alive

Oh, I'm still alive

Is that the question

Is that the question

And it's so

It's so

Wind says

Wind says

I

Oh, I'm still alive

Yeah, I

Oh, I'm still alive

Yeah, I

Oh, I'm still alive

Yeah, I'm still alive

Yeah, I'm still alive

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

guitar solo

guitar solo

guitar solo

guitar solo

I actually love playing that song

That's one of my favourite songs to play

I can't play the riff properly

Yeah

So I just play the chords

Yeah

But it's a lovely song to sing

To drunken mums like that

Yeah they do

Do they prefer that?

Or

What else do you play?

They're like black

As well

Some of them like black

Yeah

When I go and play

Brew in Ashby

Yeah

Which is a good place

Yeah

You should go there

If you're in Ashby

If you're in Ashby

Yeah

Brew is nice

Yeah

John McKinty

Who's a lovely man

He's a very big rock fan

Oh

And he always says

Play Pearl Jam

Does he?

And it's always alive or black

So

Can't go wrong

Can't go wrong with those

Can you?

No

Do you know what I mean?

I think that's

It's nice that people still like that stuff

And I think that it

It fits

Nicely doesn't it

In that

Like

Because you play acoustic a lot with those

Yeah

And you've got the right voice for it as well

Yeah

Well if you ever hear

Remember

So no one listening will know this person

But Mike who does the warhammer painting

Yeah I know Mike

So Mike who

Mike

Was Mike the one that passed out singing

Singing Sematary Gates

Yes

Yes Sematary Gates from Pantera

Hit the high note black

I can't imagine Mike ever doing that

He's got a great voice

He sounds

When he wants to

Yeah

He sounds just like Eddie Vedder

Does he?

And he used to sing black when we were at college

Yeah

And he had big long hair

And he used to sing black

And that was his thing

That he used to sing

And everyone loved it

So yeah it's great

I can't imagine Mike doing

Mike is brilliant at painting

Little warhammer figures isn't he?

Yeah

Very detailed

Very quiet

Yeah

Very funny

Great sense of humour

Yeah good lad

Yeah

Do you know I was doing my

Facts

There's a fact I missed

And it's that the producer

Rick Parashar

You got that right

Plays piano

Organ

And percussion

Oh wow

On quite a few of the tracks

I did not know that

That's very cool actually isn't it

Yeah

It is

Also

It's been used

So the track's been used in the media

But I was just looking at the various things

It's been used on

Why Go was used on American Gods in 2017

Yeah

Which I think is interesting

It's also

You know the

I like American Gods actually

Lindsay recommended a movie called Singles

Okay yeah

Remember it's kind of set in Seattle

Yes

And they use breath and state of love and trust on that

And then there's a few other things that it's been used on

But

Not the songs you'd think

No

No no no no no

No that's very very true

But I thought they were interesting

Yeah

Critical reviews

Everyone just loves it

It's one

There is literally no one who says anything bad about it

Yeah

Yeah

And there you go

That's it for facts

I'm factored out now

I did like that Brendan O'Brien remix

I know we've alluded to this already

But

The Redux

Yeah the Redux

I really did

Yeah

I thought that was really good

I like the sounds they

They've got a lot of good choices that they made on doing that

It's actually a lot drier

It's a lot more like

The newer Pearl Jam sound

The newer Pearl Jam

Yeah

It's punchier isn't it

Yeah definitely

It's punchier

I think

Yeah

No

It didn't ruin it

It sounds

It sounds alright

Although

I still stand by the fact that for me this is

I don't want it to be redone

Yeah

I kind of

I like the idea that this was recorded in

Like the summer

In Seattle

In this studio

And that's that moment in time

Captured it yeah

Yeah like the emotions of them of kind of

You know

Having lost their friend

Not knowing what's going to go on next

There's no grunge

There isn't a grunge

It became a grunge scene

But at this point

It's they're just

There's just nothing

Yeah

You know I mean the record

The record label's like

Well you know

Sells a bit

Let's go

Do you know what I mean

Let's go and let's go and do some

Do some more stuff

But this is like

People want hair metal

Yeah

They don't want

You know this isn't what people want

No

And that was like just

Kind of forming

And that was the

Do you know what I mean

That's where the band

Were

Yeah

At that point in time

And you know

And the decisions that they took

In the studio at that time

With them

And I always feel that this

Desire to come and

Muck about with stuff afterwards

Is just

Unnecessary

Leave it where it was

I just think it's unnecessary

It doesn't

The Redux one

It does sound good though

I have to be honest

It does sound good

And I think that's probably it

For ten

I think so

It is

I think so

Yeah I love it

I actually like the

They did some MTV and Plug stuff as well

Didn't they

They did do some

I was just looking

I was going to ask you some questions

Do you know how many albums they've done

Oh loads

Have they done like 15

Like one million

They've done 12 studio albums

Guess how many EPs

I don't know

One

Really

Yeah

23 live albums

And it's worth pointing out

That they tour a lot

Yeah they're busy

They're constantly out on the road

One of the things I really loved

When I was reading about the history

Obviously the

The backstory to this

Which we talked about last week

Was

Chris Cornell

Soundgarden

He

Used to

Room share

With Andrew Wood

From Mother Love Bone

And he died of heroin overdose

And then

So Mother Love Bone

Then I've got No Singo

And then the whole thing

Kind of

Snowboard into

Into Pearl Jam

Eventually

What I love about it

Is in 92

Pearl Jam

And Soundgarden

Go out on tour

Yeah lovely

I just really like that

I kind of think that

They're all quite

They all know each other

They're all really good mates

All from the same area

And you just imagine

That being so chilled

I can imagine

Just imagine that

Being absolutely epic

Yeah yeah yeah

But yeah

I think that's going to be

Really cool

You know

About 12 albums

The last one I bought

I think it goes back to

When we were young kids

In punk rock music

Teaching us about certain issues

I mean

We heard about us

In Nashville

And 24

I loved that

They're very consistent

That's the thing I will say

It creates

I know they have

They have these big albums

In the 90s

Then you find yourself

It's interesting

Because then you find yourself

In a situation

Where you can actually

Use your music

To perhaps

To me there's like

A Pearl Jam era

Which is up to Coda

Nowadays lately

We've gotten better at it

Oh okay

No Coda

Sorry

Up to No Coda

And then you've got

A post No Coda

To me

In my mind

And everything

After No Coda

It's a really

Really consistent sound

You can free innocent men

From prison

I love all their albums

But before that

They definitely had like a

You know

I don't know

It's kind of like

They were sort of

Finding who they were

You know

Through that creativity

There's no filler

No no

In any

Like some albums

Some bands are like

Oh we need

It needs to be longer

We need to

Go and write a ballad

Do you know what I mean

And like

It just doesn't happen

With Pearl Jam

No

It just starts

And slams

And then it's them for

You know what I mean

And then it finishes

And it's like

No we're done now

Do you know what I mean

You can imagine

They're a band

I always imagine

There being a band

That like doesn't do an encore

Do you know what I mean

They're like

No we're done now

Finish now

You know what I mean

Yeah yeah yeah

They do that

Slam through the set

And then we're done

You know what I mean

No there's no kind of

Yeah we're coming back now

Yeah

Anyway I just thought

I would mention

Pearl Jam and R.E.M.

They're the two aren't they

There's very little filler

On any of their stuff

I love R.E.M. Live

Yeah yeah

Where I saw them at

I've seen them a couple of times

My favourite

I saw them at Live 8

And they just kind of came out

And said we're Pearl Jam

And this is

We're R.E.M.

And this is what we do

And then they just slam straight

Into the chat

And I just thought

That's a cool way

To introduce yourself

But I thought

It's worth talking about

Because they're 12 albums

And yeah

They're just

Yeah

Yeah

All of them are really good

And they're a band that

Like lots of bands

Back then

From the 90s

Albums that they've released

In the last few years

Yeah

Have not really set me alight

Yeah

In the same way

Dark Matter

It's got it

It did

I think it's brilliant

It's got it

Such

If you've not listened to

Modern Pearl Jam

And you're still back in the 90s

Yeah

It's well worth a go

They're still doing it

They can still do it

It's worth a blast

Of Dark Matter

I think

I really want to play Oceans

Because I like that one a lot

I like Oceans as well

That's

Yeah

And then we'll maybe talk about

What we'll do next week

What are we doing next week

Don't know

Let's play Oceans

Shall we play this

And think about it

Yeah

Sweet

Hold on to the thread

The currents will shift

Glide me towards you

Who knows something's left

And we're only allowed

To dream of the next

Oh, the next time we need

Oh, the next time we need

Oh, the next time we need

You don't have to stay

The ocean's away

The waves roll in my thoughts

Oh, tight the rain

Then our sea will rise

Please stand by the shore

Oh, I will be

I will be there once more

Oh, I will be there once more

Oh, I will be there once more

Oh, I will be there once more

Oh, I will be there once more

Oh, I will be there once more

Oh, I will be there once more

Oh, I will be there once more

Oh, I will be there once more

Oh, I will be there once more

Oh, I will be there once more

You know, at some point

I didn't want to do any interviews

And didn't, you know, I wanted to protect

Kind of the songs and where the songs

Were coming from

And I didn't care for what people thought of me

And I still don't

And I probably am a little more concerned

With what they think about the music, you know

I would want the music to be able to come

From like a neutral place

And certainly didn't want some kind of, you know, personality

That got filtered through the media

To be what they thought about when they heard the music

When the spotlight was shining, you know, brightest on us

What are we doing next then?

Oh, we're going to do blind melon

Is that, is it on?

Is it happening?

I think so, why not?

Yeah, yeah, yeah

I think we can do what we want

We've said it twice this podcast

So I think it's a sign

Well, why not?

I mean, we, we, there's no, I mean

We can absolutely do what we want, can't we?

I think

Because you said before

I think maybe last week or the week before

About, about kind of heading over

And looking at some of the British stuff

That was going on

I'd love to do

Yeah, I'd love to do that

About this sort of time

I've been, I've got like a playlist that I made

Like kind of 90s British

Yeah, like 90s British stuff

Yeah

And yeah, I've got honestly

There's some of the albums in there

I've just, I just think are brilliant

Yeah, yeah

You know, the, the, like the Almighty

Yeah

Gun, Little Angels

Yeah, yeah

Yeah, we've already covered some

Already with kind of Skunk and Nancy

Yeah, yeah

But like the Wild Hearts

Yeah, yeah

There's tons

I think Thunder were in there

You know, you've got Def Leppard in there as well

We've kind of already covered that

I just, I think it'd be really cool

To kind of go back and cover that 90s

Yeah

British rock scene

The big British rock scene

It was the hard rock

Like that kind of British hard rock scene

Yeah, yeah, yeah

I just think it was just

Just phenomenal

Yeah, absolutely phenomenal

It was kind of just before the Britpop stuff, wasn't it?

It was that just sort of

Yeah, Britpop was kind of happening

Like just a little afterwards

Yeah

But yeah, you had, because you had like

Like Gun were producing big records in 94 and 96

Yeah, yeah

Same time as Oasis and Blur

Okay, yeah, so there was that crossover

Yes, absolutely there

But totally different crew

Yeah, yeah, yeah

You know, you had your Oasis and Blur crew

Your mainstream

Yeah

Crew

And then, and then the kind of

Your rock as the metalers

Were kind of

Yeah, they were

When did Terrorvision sit with that?

Yeah, they were there as well

Yeah, were they sort of in the middle of that?

Absolutely

Because they really crossed over into that

They did, yeah

Well, they were quite poppy, weren't they?

Yeah, yeah

They did some stuff like that

But there were tons of, I think, phenomenal albums

And bands like Little Angels

Yeah, yeah

Supergrass

Supergrass, yeah

They were a bit crossover as well, weren't they?

Yeah, yeah, yeah

They weren't quite as heavy

Although they did do Richard III

That was a big heavy song

Weren't they like 12 years old or something?

They were very young, weren't they?

Great band though

But yeah, do you know

Yeah

Yeah, let's do some of that then

I think so

I think that for me

Oh, Manson

Do you remember Manson?

Well, look down my list

I've got Little Angels, Thunder, Gun, The Almighty, The Wild Hearts, Terror Vision, Therapy

Therapy

Manic Street Preachers

Yes

Oh, let's do some of that

Let's go there

I think so

I think we just kind of go and start in the UK

And then just carry on until we get bored

And you just do like a 90s

Do you know what I mean?

Like just do a kind of an early 90s

Yeah, great

Run through of those British ones

Yeah, it'd be nice

Because I was a little bit young for those

So there were those albums there

Like those bands that I know

You're going to love some of these

Some of these albums

I'll need to revisit

Some of these albums I think you'll have never heard of

But you'll fall in love with

There's like Young Gods from Little Angels

Yeah

I just think it's one of the best albums ever made

Yeah, yeah

No one's ever heard of it

Do you know what I mean?

It's one of those that people just haven't heard of

And then there's others as well

I mean, Gun of Thunder and The Almighty as well

They did some phenomenal records

Yeah, yeah

It'd be nice to go into Cranberries as well

With No Need to Argue and things like that

Yeah, there's all kinds of stuff

And that was a bit later

That was probably a bit later into that

It was, yeah

But there's some brilliant stuff

Yeah, you did have Therapy

And of course you've got The Wild Hearts

Yeah, yeah

The new Wild Hearts album's great

Yeah, yeah

If anybody's missed that

Although Ginger sacked the entire band

Yeah

And then started a new band

Yeah

Still sounds like The Wild Hearts

Yeah

So, which is pretty good

If we're going to do this Blind Melon thing

I wanted to

You know the album Blind Melon

Starts with a track called Soak the Sin

Right

Do you know what the first line of the album

No, no

The first lyric is

I've got to buy some shoes

These ones are getting loose

Oh, nice

And I like that

I just thought it was lovely

My feet are shrinking in the sun

It ain't fun

But it looks like rain up ahead

In 40 miles

Oh, it's that song

Yeah, yeah, yeah

A big rainbow took the blue sky

Yeah

I like

I like songs with those kind of

You know those kind of

Yeah

I just

I like that kind of thing

Looking forward to doing this one

It's going to be really good

And then

Yeah, then doing some

We've not done

What

We did

I'm trying to think of what British stuff

We've done

Do you know what I would love to do

It might

I don't know

It might not be appropriate for our listeners

But I would love to do like 60s and 70s

British

Yeah

You know the kind of

The heavy stuff

No, the prog

Oh, the prog stuff

Okay

Yeah

Where

Oh, you know

There's tons of kind of like

Emerson Lake and Palmer

Yes

Yeah

Genesis

Yeah, Genesis

You know

And

You know what

You know what mate

This is our podcast

Do what we want

Do what we want

The reason I wanted to do it

You know

Is because I watched that documentary

Called Hypnosis

Yes

I remember you saying about that

About the album art

Yeah, yeah, yeah

And it just

It's incredible

It's just this

That scene

Do what we want can't we

Let's do

Let's do

Let's go

Let's go

Blind Melon

Then British Heavy Rock

And then we'll go back in time a bit

Well I think we'll figure out

What comes after that

Because we've got to go

And find another scene somewhere

At that point

Haven't we

And figure out

What comes

What comes next

Where can we go next

There's a whole bunch of stuff

That we could do

Of like just scenes

There's like

The death metal scene

Yeah

Because like

You ended up with kind of thrash

And then that moved into death

Yeah

And then

And then that scene

Kind of grew

Do you know what I mean

And it's got this

Yeah

I mean the same thing

It's got like

Studios and producers

Yeah, yeah, yeah

And then there was kind of

What was happening in the US

And then what was happening

Over in Sweden

Yeah

And there are different sounds

And stuff

So that's something

I would really like to do

Yeah, yeah, yeah

There's probably some punk stuff

We should look at as well

Do you know

There's a bunch of punk

I'm not a massive punk fan

But there's like a couple of albums

Like Grey Britain from Gallows

Yeah, yeah, yeah

Always find myself going back to that one

That's a great record

Isn't it?

Yeah

Yeah, there's a bunch of these

Kind of big scenes

Gallows are fantastic

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah

Yeah

And then

But then

I mean we could do Britpop stuff

I mean it depends

I don't know

Where

Called Rufology

Do what we want

If we want to do it

Whatever

That's what we're doing

Whatever

We do iconic albums

Doesn't matter from what era

What style

What it is

It's an iconic album

We could do Beyonce if we wanted

We're probably not going to

But

No, I can't imagine us doing that one

Hey, were we just

We were both just like

Is this Beyonce album

Did Jay-Z produce it?

Yeah

I bet he did

I bet he did

Yeah, more bass

I bet that's what he did

Yeah

Put more bass on it

Yeah, more bass on it

I'll be in

Because that's how Jay-Z speaks

And I feel like we've gone way off pace now

We've done what we need to do here

I hope you've enjoyed the show

Next one is Bly Mellon

I think that I'll say bye-bye to Seattle for a bit

Yeah

We've covered a lot of Seattle bands actually

Yeah, we've done well

Although there's more

There's Caius

Oh God

Yeah, there's tons of what we could do

Isn't there?

Yeah

Maybe we've not finished with Seattle just yet

Because I'd quite like to do Caius

Which one?

Yeah, and then that leads into the Queens of South

We've got to do Songs for the Deaf at some point

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

I don't think we've quite finished with Seattle just yet

Yeah

Do you?

I don't know

There's so much

I don't want to come

I don't want to leave

Yeah

It's a long way

Yeah, no, come back again

Seattle's like a 10-hour flight

Yeah

I want to leave

And then I have to go back again

Yeah

Oh

Let's see

Let's just do Blind Melon

Shall we see how we feel?

And then we'll see how we feel next week

We might be bored of Seattle

And we might need to come and do something else

Yeah, a bit of Caius sludge though

That'd be nice

Stoner sludge is lovely, isn't it?

Yeah

What was that documentary where it talks about Caius?

The desert sessions and all that

Yeah, yeah, yeah

Which one?

I can't remember

Which is a documentary?

And there's a new Spinal Tap coming

Did you know?

Have you seen this?

Yeah

Spinal Tap 2?

Yeah

Yeah, but really though?

It's a new one

Is it going to be any good?

No

It's going to be rubbish, isn't it?

It's going to be like

My kids want to go and see the Minecraft movie

No

I've got to take them tomorrow

Have you taken them?

Do you know what I've got to do tomorrow?

I wish I could visualise this

Tomorrow I've got to do gardening

Yes

And go to the Minecraft movie

No

I wouldn't bother

Drop them off

Just no

Just drop them off

Just no

I can eat Maltesers

I'm going to stuff my face with Maltesers

That's what I'm going to do

I think we're done

Shall we be done?

We'll be done

We'll be done

Love you bye

Love you bye