Hidden Gems of 90s British Rock: The Almighty’s 'Soul Destruction'
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Hidden Gems of 90s British Rock: The Almighty’s 'Soul Destruction'

Episode description

Join hosts Neil and Chris on the latest episode of Riffology, your ultimate rock music podcast, as they delve into the powerful yet overlooked album Soul Destruction by UK rock band The Almighty. Part of their exploration into 90s British rock, this episode shines a light on an influential album that often slipped under the radar, especially for listeners outside the UK.

Neil and Chris unpack the gritty, energetic sound of Soul Destruction, discussing its standout tracks, lyrical themes, and production nuances. They also examine the broader UK rock landscape of the early ‘90s, comparing the era’s understated rock movement to the more widely recognized Britpop phenomenon. Listen as they reveal fascinating insights, share personal anecdotes, and debate why bands like The Almighty did not achieve broader global acclaim despite their considerable talent and compelling music.

This episode is ideal for fans of classic rock, alternative rock, and music history enthusiasts interested in rediscovering hidden gems. Tune in to learn more about the unsung heroes of the British rock scene and why Soul Destruction deserves a prominent place in your rock playlist.

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RIFOLOGY! I thought you were going to go all deep and go like, RIFOLOGY! Oh yeah! Very

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good, very good. Good morning. Hello, we're RIFOLOGY. RIFOLOGY. I'm Neil. Chris. You're

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Chris. Almighty. We're doing the Almighty Soul Destruction because we're on a bit of

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a UK 90s rock thing. I've never heard this record before this week. I think quite a lot

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of people, looking at our stats, we, I don't know at what point this happened, because it

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used to be only our mates that listened to the show. No, it's all over the world, people

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tuning in. It is. To hear our dulcet tones. Indeed. So, looking at our stats, more than

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half of our listeners are US. Yeah. And then with some European and then the UK, a big chunk

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of the rest. So, I think if you were out of the UK, I think this stuff would probably have

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passed you by, like therapy. Yeah. We did last week. Yeah. We're doing this one, the Almighty

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too. We're going to do some interviews from... Oh, we didn't do finger! Oh, can we come on to that in a minute? Yeah, yeah, sorry, yeah. I've literally, I've been sat here

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for an hour. Do you know... A good hour. Yeah. I've been fiddling with things and I've only just noticed that you've got a bandage on your finger. Oh, do you remember when I did it last time? Do you remember how did you bandage on your finger? Yes, you did it before, yeah. I've done that again.

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So, I sliced the end of it off.

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I was chopping... I can't remember. Ginger. I was chopping

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ginger. And I've removed

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the end of my finger. Anyway.

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So, yes, I have my finger.

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So, yeah. So, anyway, we're going to do

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some British rock.

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I think it... This is a

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fascinating scene to me.

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And do you know why I think it's super fascinating?

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I think it's super fascinating because it's not a scene.

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Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Britpop and Oasis and Pulp and

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Blur and all that. And everyone knew about that.

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Elastica. Everyone knew about that.

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It was big and it had

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a name. Yeah.

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And, like... This was just stuff.

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We just did the Pacific Northwest.

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We did a bunch of albums from

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Seattle. The Seattle scene, yeah. Grunge and

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Alt Rock. And it was there. And then before that

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we were in...

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LA. LA for glam

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and hair metal. Yeah.

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Had a name. Yeah. Had a scene. Yeah.

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Had a road

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road. Didn't it?

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It was a bit on the Sunset Strip, wasn't it?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And...

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It had a venue.

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It did. Well, yeah. It had a bunch of venues

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and it had, like, just some key people in it.

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This just didn't.

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No.

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This was, you know, we talked about it a bit before, but it was bands like Skunker Nancy

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and Gun and Thunder and Gun and Thunder and Therapy and, yeah, there were just some of these

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incredible bands that just never quite broke the US. I mean, I remember it had, like, Thunder

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and Def Leppard.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, they just skied it.

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Def Leppard broke the US and Thunder just didn't.

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Yeah.

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And, um...

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But there are certain bands like that, like, when you said this, you know, and you said about

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the Almighty and we listened to a few songs at the end last week before we went home.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And I was going, it's that same ballpark as Thunder and Def Leppard.

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It is a bit, isn't it?

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In a way.

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And, but Def Leppard obviously skied it.

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Yeah.

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And as you say, Thunder didn't quite crack it.

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But it's that, it's certainly the same ballpark in musicians.

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Well, production, if anything, the production on it and the way it's produced is very, very...

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It's a British sound, isn't it?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, but, which is strange because the way that he's singing is very American.

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I was a bit shocked with this.

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I didn't, this is something I've learned as I was doing the prep for this, for this show.

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You did some good prep.

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Oh, I didn't, I didn't do any prep.

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What I did was I messaged you saying, I can't find anything.

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You did, that is, that is the right thing.

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Yeah, yeah, and then you sent me 20 things.

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I did.

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Of which, the last interview one that you sent.

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It's good, isn't it?

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It was awesome.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah, we've probably got about a good 20 minutes worth of interviews.

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I do love Ricky Warwick though.

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He's a good storyteller.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, I discovered something new.

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These albums that we're going to cover, I adore them.

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Yeah.

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You know, if you had your, we always talked about this, having like a, I don't know, like a three

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by three square of albums to be your top nine or whatever.

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Most of them for me are here.

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Okay.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Like the big, big American thrash records.

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But a lot of my absolute total favorites are here from this, from this period.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Would you, are they that, are they that favorite that you commit to having a tattoo done?

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I don't know.

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Obviously not.

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But, but here's the thing that I'm going to, I'm going to call, call out your attention

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to.

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Yeah.

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So of the albums that I think we should cover over the next month or so.

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Yeah.

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There's this one, Soul Destruction.

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Another one is Backstreet Symphony by Thunder.

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Yeah.

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Which I think is astonishing.

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And then there's another one called Taking On The World by Gunn.

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It's their debut.

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Okay.

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It's amazing.

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Right.

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Because you've not mentioned that one before.

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No, that's my favorite Gunn album.

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You know.

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Because you said about Swagger.

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Yeah.

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Swagger and Gallas.

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Gallas, yeah.

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And then.

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But this one was before that.

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Taking On The World.

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Yeah.

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Taking On The World is, yeah, it's so good.

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Anyway, they're all produced by Andy Taylor off of Duran Duran.

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All of them?

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Mm.

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Backstreet Symphony, 1990.

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Andy Taylor.

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Soul Destruction, that's this one.

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Andy Taylor.

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From the Almighty.

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Andy Taylor, 91.

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And Gunn, Taking On The World.

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Andy Taylor, 1989.

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Did you like Duran Duran?

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No.

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Do you like Duran Duran?

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Not really.

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It's all right, yeah.

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But it's not this, is it?

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No, it wasn't my thing.

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So how did this happen then?

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I don't know.

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Do you want to give me some other albums in here?

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Yeah.

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Rod Stewart, Out of Order.

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Yeah.

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Didn't know that.

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No.

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And he did Reef, Shoot Me Your Ace in 2022.

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Was, oh, recently.

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Anyway, according to my sheet, which might be wrong, it says 2022, Shoot Me Your Ace Reef.

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Anyway, the point I'm getting at, really, is there was definitely a production style.

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You know, we talked about when we did, like, Seattle and that grunge scene.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And there were...

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Oh, yeah, there was a centre point, wasn't there?

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Yeah, there was certainly a style and a tone to it.

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You could, you could, like, you know, the track would come on the radio and you can't, you might not recognise the band, but you kind of knew where it came from.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's got that London Bridge Studios thing for sale.

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I think there's something, I think there's something very similar here.

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Yeah.

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Because there is a sound, there is, like, a British sound to these.

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And it's weird, because I didn't pick it up at the time.

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No.

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I wasn't aware.

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Well, you don't know, do you?

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I was just like, oh, this is great.

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You just like the bands.

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Yeah, you like the music.

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Yeah, I like this.

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And the thing for me as well with The Almighty, specifically with this album, because they did an album before it called Blood, Fire and Love, and they did a live album called Blood, Fire and Live.

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Right, okay.

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And it had a cover of You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet on it.

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And that's how I got into it.

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So, it was the, like, the, it was a girl at school, we were, you know, in your GCSE year.

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Oh, no, it might have been the year before.

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Anyway, she had it as a t-shirt.

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She had Blood, Fire and Live as a t-shirt.

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Yeah, right.

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But she was like the, I don't know, like the kind of queen rocker.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Everybody kind of looked at her, and we were a bit nerdy, so we were a bit scared to go anywhere near.

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But I remember her having this t-shirt, Blood, Fire and, Blood, Fire and Live.

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And I was like, what's that?

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And she says, oh, it's The Almighty, dickhead.

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Something like that, nerd.

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Go and beat yourself up with a pencil or something.

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Anyway, she, no, she didn't.

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She was lovely.

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Her name was Heather.

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And she said, yes, they're good.

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And then the next day, she brought a tape in.

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Oh.

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Because that's what you did by then.

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So, she gave me the tape of Blood, Fire and Live.

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And it had, and I listened to it, and it was great.

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And it had this cover of You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet.

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And it was their live energy.

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Yeah.

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Which was just like, oh, they were just, for me, they were just absolutely incredible.

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They had this, like, punky, you know, the Guns and Roses.

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Yes, yeah.

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That they've got that kind of attitude where it's like, we're the best band in the world

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and we don't really care what you think.

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Or it doesn't matter.

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It's not like we don't care.

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It's just like this.

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This is how it is.

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It doesn't matter.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's just the factual truth.

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We are amazing.

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Yeah.

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We don't really care.

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Yeah.

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And they had that.

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They had this kind of swagger and this attitude to them.

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And I just fell in love with them.

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And then, as I went off to college, they released this record.

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They released Soul Destruction.

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So, this was 91.

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And I remember I worked over the summer holiday.

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Yeah.

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Just before I went to college.

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And so, I'd got money.

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I'd got, like, I'd got 100 quid.

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You didn't get paid back then, did you?

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I worked in summer fields.

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Yes.

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No one can remember that.

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Yeah.

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Which is another story.

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On my first day, I dropped a two kilogram glass jar of Marmite on the floor.

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This is going to be a great side quest.

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It's still there now.

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This is going to be a great side quest story.

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And then I dropped it.

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And they were special edition.

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They didn't.

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I mean, two.

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You might be able to get these in the US.

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But here in the UK, they're like the size of an apple.

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They're not massive Marmite jars.

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And this thing was huge.

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It was like the size of a football.

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Anyway, I dropped it.

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And then I tried to, like, scoop it up.

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And it was not.

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It was literally broken glass and Marmite on the floor.

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I didn't know what to do.

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And then my friend, he wasn't very bright, said,

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what you should do is go and boil the kettle.

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Yeah.

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Because that will melt it.

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And then you can mop it up.

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And I was like, oh, genius.

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You are genius.

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So then I went into the stuff canteen.

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Two liters of boiling water.

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Tipped it on the Marmite, which it did melt.

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And so now I've got, what I had before was like this, this, like, mound of Marmite and broken glass.

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Now I've got a lake about four meters wide.

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But to make it even better, because it's boiling water, I've now filled the shop with a stench of hot Marmite.

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In summer fields.

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And then the store manager popped over.

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Don't believe we've met, young man.

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I know.

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I was trying to brush this.

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So you've been called my mate Marmite forevermore.

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My mate Marmite.

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But anyway, I was trying to get to the story of the, because I had money.

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And I was prepping to go to college.

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And so I went to the record shop, as you do.

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And they had this.

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And I bought the album and got it back.

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And when I got back, it had loads of stickers in it.

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So on my, because you know when your first day at college, you're all keen, aren't you?

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Yeah.

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So mine had little stickers.

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I had like a little loss sometimes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And like a lovely little sticker of the album cover.

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Oh, wicked.

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It was lovely.

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So my first year, probably first 18 months at college, almighty stickers all over my stuff.

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Emptiness inside my soul.

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Feelings scattered all around.

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I need somewhere to lose myself.

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Everywhere has been found.

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And sad eyes staring out the window.

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Tequila tears come raining down.

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And pain comes to leave you go.

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So many miles between us and so many endless roads.

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We're all searching for deliverance.

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When there ain't no way to run.

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Lay your spirit down easy.

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Guess what the ride is gonna be.

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Guess what the ride is gonna be.

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A little loss sometimes.

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A little loss sometimes.

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A little loss sometimes.

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A little loss sometimes.

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A little loss sometimes.

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A little loss sometimes.

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Oh yeah

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When there's nothing to believe in

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Sometimes these words are not enough

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Promises so hard to keep in

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It's hard to feel what you can't touch

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Yesterday is yesteryear

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Spirit's bleeding into dust

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Give me time to understand

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It's pretty thin that we count love

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We're all searching for deliverance

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When there ain't no way to run

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Lay your spirit down easy

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Just remember I always got more to be

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A little love sometimes

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A little love sometimes

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A little love sometimes

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A little love sometimes

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A little love sometimes

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A little love sometimes

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What is this feeling rising over me

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Yeah, yeah, yeah

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I might look alright

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But I'm scared as hell

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The more I know

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The less I understand

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Put me together

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Before I fall apart

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Do you remember last week?

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I don't think we recorded this bit

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Yeah

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But I said when I sang

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when I first started singing

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like original music

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Yeah, yeah, yeah

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I sang just like this guy

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Yeah

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If you listen to any...

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I was in a band called Why the Dead Girl

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Why the Dead Girl?

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Why the Dead Girl, yeah

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From the age of about 16

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Yeah

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To about 18, I think

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Right

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Maybe 19

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And

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Yeah

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I sang like that

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And very, very early

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Star From Ivy stuff

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is like that

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Yeah

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Like when I was sort of

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19, 20, 21, whatever

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And

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the

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The songs that I used to write

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were probably quite similar to that

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Yeah

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But I never heard this band

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Isn't that weird?

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So it's weird

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I never would have heard The Almighty

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but I would have written songs

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that were like that

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See I

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So

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Blood, Fire and Love

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And The Almighty

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They

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Came from a punk background

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Yeah

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And I was always

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Yeah, I mean

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This is all I knew of them basically

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Yeah, yeah, yeah

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So you know, I literally got that

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The EP Blood, Fire and Live

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And then bought this just written

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And I have to be honest

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Like a half of me buying this particular album

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was the cover

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Yeah

19:09

Because it's just phenomenal

19:10

It's a beautiful looking thing isn't it?

19:11

So it's hand painted as well

19:12

Yeah, coot

19:13

Yeah

19:14

It's absolutely incredible

19:15

Anyway

19:16

The

19:17

The more I learned about them

19:19

Like the more

19:20

Unexpected

19:21

That style is

19:22

Do you know what I mean?

19:23

Like I guess

19:24

Like knowing your

19:26

Music background

19:27

It kind of makes sense a little bit

19:28

Yeah

19:28

That you would do that kind of stuff

19:29

Yeah

19:30

But Ricky Warwick's like punky

19:32

Yeah, yeah, yeah

19:34

You know what I mean?

19:34

He's got They Love Motorhead

19:35

Yeah

19:36

And there's a couple of songs on the album

19:38

where you can hear that

19:39

Yeah

19:39

There's like the driving bass

19:40

Yeah

19:41

Like Lemmy would do

19:42

Yeah

19:42

There's a little bit of that

19:43

on a couple of them

19:44

It's such a great

19:45

But then you've got those like

19:46

They're kind of like ballads

19:47

Like big rock ballads aren't they?

19:47

They are

19:48

And they did

19:49

They did a few of them

19:50

On this record particularly

19:52

Like the big stuff

19:54

They did like Bandage Knees

19:56

Little Lost Sometimes

19:58

And Devil's Toy to a degree as well

20:00

Yeah, yeah

20:00

That was a big single

20:02

I think Bandage Knees

20:03

I quite like that one actually

20:05

But Bandage Knees is my favourite one

20:08

But then

20:09

I've just discovered that

20:10

I didn't hear the whole album

20:11

Yeah

20:11

Because there's some songs

20:12

that you can't hear

20:13

Yeah, and there's a weird thing here

20:15

This was

20:17

I might have got this a little bit wrong

20:19

But these albums were on Polydor

20:21

Yeah

20:22

Now there's a relationship between

20:24

Polydor and Universal

20:25

Right

20:26

And

20:27

I don't think Polydor would be a subsidiary of Universal

20:29

I think

20:30

But do you remember there was that fire?

20:31

Yeah

20:31

There was a massive fire at Universal

20:33

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

20:34

And loads of the master

20:35

The original masters got burned

20:36

Got lost

20:37

Yeah, yeah, yeah

20:38

This was one of the things

20:39

Yeah, I think so

20:40

Although

20:41

So I thought

20:42

It's like Wallace and Gromit

20:43

Yeah, I thought

20:44

That happened to Wallace and Gromit

20:45

It did

20:46

I thought

20:48

How did we go from the homage to Wallace and Gromit

20:50

So I thought

20:52

I thought

20:53

I always thought this was one of the ones that got lost

20:55

Because they didn't reissue

20:56

They didn't remaster any of them

20:58

These got reissued

21:00

So Blood, Fire and Love

21:02

And this one got reissued a few years back

21:05

Right

21:05

I thought it was the original

21:07

I didn't think it was a remaster

21:08

I thought it was just a repress

21:09

Yeah, oh right

21:10

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah

21:11

But again, prepping for this

21:13

They're all marked as remasters

21:15

Right, okay

21:16

Right

21:17

Which is weird

21:18

Yeah

21:19

Because I was convinced that they were removed

21:21

And I can't hear any difference between

21:23

Between

21:24

Between

21:25

Between them

21:25

The audio we're using for this show is off the original CD

21:28

Yeah

21:28

So this is from my 1991

21:30

Yeah

21:31

CD

21:32

But

21:33

Original CDR

21:35

Original

21:36

It's proper original

21:37

But then

21:38

I've still got a wallet of CDRs

21:39

Yeah, I've got it

21:40

I've got it

21:41

Yeah

21:42

I've got your wallet of CDRs

21:43

You've got my wallet of CDRs

21:44

I've got your wallet of CDRs

21:45

Have you?

21:45

I think so

21:46

Big one

21:47

Yeah

21:47

Shall I bring it in?

21:48

Yeah

21:49

I'll bring it in

21:50

I think I've still got it

21:51

If not, it's going to skip

21:53

But I think I've still got it

21:55

So on the

21:58

Certainly on Apple Music

21:59

I've not looked on Spotify

22:00

But Free and Easy and Devil's Toy and Missy

22:03

They're not there

22:04

Yeah, that's it

22:05

But then

22:06

It looks

22:07

I'm just going to have a quick look on here

22:08

Because I've got it

22:09

I've got it queued up

22:10

So Spine Farm Records

22:12

It's weird

22:13

So the

22:14

If you look at the bottom

22:15

On Apple it says

22:16

This compilation is 2014 Spine Farm Records

22:19

Right

22:20

It's not from Polydor

22:21

And it's not from

22:22

And

22:23

Which suggests that perhaps

22:24

Because I know that

22:25

Ricky Warwick

22:27

Sort of

22:30

Perhaps

22:32

You know he's got his own thing going on

22:34

Like his own label or something

22:35

I think they were trying to re-buy the rights

22:37

Yeah, that sort of thing

22:38

And my gut feeling is that they've not

22:40

They've been able to get the rights

22:41

They've managed to do this

22:41

They've managed to do this

22:42

Okay

22:42

But not those two tracks

22:44

And

22:45

There's a bit I think

22:47

I don't know whether we're going to use it in interviews

22:49

But there's a bit where Ricky talks about how complicated things were back then

22:53

Because it was a mess

22:54

Like it was

22:55

Like

22:56

There was so many different people and companies involved in making them

23:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah

23:01

And we were just having a great time

23:02

So we weren't really paying that much attention

23:04

And it was only when we wanted to make sure they were on streaming

23:07

So once streaming started to really kick off

23:10

We wanted to get all the albums on streaming

23:12

And we couldn't get Blood, Fire & Love

23:14

Yeah

23:15

Or Blood, Fire & Live

23:16

Or Soul Destruction

23:18

Power Tripping

23:19

The one that came after

23:20

Was okay

23:21

And then they did Crank

23:22

And just add Life and stuff

23:24

But they

23:25

Yeah, those early ones

23:28

They've not been on streaming for that long

23:30

And I remember it coming on

23:31

And seeing those two tracks missing

23:32

Yeah, yeah, yeah

23:33

It's bizarre

23:34

Absolutely bizarre

23:35

But the radio edit versions are there

23:38

If you search for them

23:39

You can find the radio edit versions

23:40

Almost the singles kind of things

23:41

Yeah

23:42

There's definitely something like

23:43

Wacky

23:44

Yeah, yeah

23:45

Some rights thing going on

23:46

Ownership and stuff going on there

23:47

Well, they hit the stratosphere super quick

23:51

I mean, we've got a really long interview we're going to play

23:53

We have to play all the interview

23:54

Because it's so good

23:56

So I have to be honest

23:58

I didn't know

23:59

Like Ricky Warwick for me

24:00

Was this huge figure on MTV

24:02

Yeah, yeah

24:03

His wife Vanessa Warwick

24:05

Yeah, Headbangers Ball

24:06

Headbangers Ball

24:06

Yeah

24:07

So she was constantly

24:08

I always used to love to see them interviewing

24:09

Like she interviewed him and stuff

24:10

And I always think that was a bit weird

24:12

But yeah, he was just this kind of

24:14

Larger than life character

24:16

I had no idea where he came from

24:18

I had no idea

24:19

That background

24:20

You know, that background from

24:22

From Belfast

24:23

And the Troubles

24:24

You know, we talked about that last week

24:25

Yeah, yeah

24:26

With the Troubles, yeah

24:27

With the Troubles, yeah

24:28

And then moving to that tiny town in Scotland

24:29

And stuff

24:30

And the punk background and stuff

24:32

I had no idea

24:33

I had no idea

24:34

This interview stuff

24:35

And his storytelling

24:36

Yeah, it's just amazing

24:37

Yeah, it's so good

24:38

How he gets the job role as being the guitarist in the New Model Army as well

24:44

Yeah

24:45

Do you know what I mean?

24:46

But it all came from out of nowhere

24:47

Yeah

24:47

So of course they're riding the wave

24:49

Yeah

24:49

And they wouldn't be

24:50

And they had their people to deal with all that

24:53

So they were doing the music

24:54

Yeah, of course

24:55

And then the other guys were doing the business stuff

24:56

And that's probably, you know

24:57

Yeah, of course

24:57

Everything probably got all tied in knots through that

24:58

Yeah, yeah, yeah

24:59

It all just feels and sounds just so improbable

25:01

Yeah

25:02

Do you know what I mean?

25:03

Yeah, yeah, yeah

25:04

It just sounds so unlikely to have happened

25:07

Do you know what I mean?

25:08

He's like a kid from Belfast

25:09

Yeah

25:09

In Scotland

25:10

Get a band together

25:11

Yeah

25:12

Ends up on tour with New Model Army

25:13

Yeah

25:14

Ends in New Model Army

25:15

Yeah

25:16

Quits that

25:17

Yeah

25:17

Starts another

25:18

Do you know what I mean?

25:19

Yeah, yeah, yeah

25:20

And it's like what?

25:21

How did that happen?

25:22

But there's in Black Star Riders now

25:23

Which is essentially Thin Lizzy

25:25

Thin Lizzy with him on it, yeah

25:26

With him singing

25:27

Unbelievable

25:28

Shall we listen to his long interview?

25:29

It's great

25:30

Yeah, brace yourselves

25:31

Because it is a long one

25:32

But you have to listen to all of it

25:33

Because it's a great story

25:34

It's just great

25:35

It's so good

25:36

So I moved to Straven

25:37

When I was

25:38

Just before I turned 15

25:40

And

25:41

Like you said

25:42

It was a very small

25:44

It's

25:45

Straven's quite getting

25:46

It's quite a big place right now

25:47

It's getting bigger

25:48

There's a lot of new houses being built

25:49

Back then it was very small

25:50

Yeah

25:51

So I went to a school

25:53

That maybe only had four or five hundred pupils at it

25:55

I went to Straven Academy

25:56

And I went there

25:57

When I was sort of

25:58

I did sort of half a third year

25:59

And half a fourth year

26:00

I left just before my 16th birthday

26:02

But there's the new Irish kid

26:04

And when we get around

26:05

There's this guy with a funny accent

26:07

And he's just

26:07

He's come over from Belfast

26:09

Blah, blah, blah, blah

26:10

So everybody's poking you

26:12

And wanting you to talk

26:13

And you know

26:14

But

26:15

Word gets out that he's got a guitar

26:17

And that's always

26:19

That's always a great leveler

26:20

And a great common denominator

26:22

So suddenly

26:23

You're in the playground

26:24

And the guy comes up to you

26:25

With a drum kit and goes

26:26

You got a guitar?

26:27

You could

26:28

I've got a drummer

26:29

I'm a drummer

26:30

The bass player

26:31

The bass player

26:32

And gravity

26:32

Those two guys

26:33

Were Stumpy and Floyd

26:34

Yeah

26:35

Who would go on to

26:36

Formula Mighty with

26:37

You know

26:37

Six years down the line

26:38

You know

26:39

First day

26:40

And by that weekend

26:42

We're in somebody's front room

26:43

Jamming on

26:44

On covers

26:45

So it progresses from that

26:47

And we

26:48

You know

26:48

Various school bands

26:49

You know

26:50

150 name changes later

26:51

And then I have this little

26:53

Punk band going

26:54

With Floyd

26:55

Who's the bass player

26:56

Stumpy and I had fallen out

26:57

Which we do

26:58

Stumpy

26:59

Oh man

27:00

Me and Stumpy are like that

27:01

Even to this day

27:02

He's my bro

27:03

I roomed with him

27:04

All through the almighty

27:05

The carnage

27:06

Me and him

27:07

But we're like brothers

27:08

Like we

27:09

With fist

27:10

You know

27:11

Punch ups

27:12

And next day arms

27:13

He's my boy

27:14

You know

27:14

We're that close

27:15

But it's a

27:16

It's a very volatile

27:17

Amazing relationship

27:18

I have with him

27:19

And

27:20

I'd fallen out with him

27:22

And we got this other drummer

27:23

From Coatbridge

27:24

Playing with us

27:25

And we had this punk band

27:26

Called Rough Charm

27:27

Which is a terrible name

27:29

But you know

27:30

And

27:31

We were starting to make

27:32

A wee bit of a vibe

27:33

You know

27:33

We're in Glasgow

27:34

We were starting to play

27:35

Some good gigs

27:35

Three piece band

27:36

And

27:37

I would do the thing

27:38

Where I would get

27:39

The overnight bus

27:40

From Glasgow

27:41

You know

27:42

This is when I'm 16

27:43

17

27:44

18 years old

27:45

Armed with the cassettes

27:46

The demo tapes

27:47

I'd have called up

27:48

The record companies

27:49

In London

27:50

And

27:51

I guess

27:53

Speak to the interns

27:54

You know

27:54

You're never going to get

27:55

To the head A&R

27:56

But I would get the overnight bus

27:57

Down from London

27:58

Get off at King's Cross

27:59

Seven in the morning

28:00

Go round all the record companies

28:01

To the demo tapes

28:02

Yeah

28:03

Get the young kid

28:04

To listen to the song

28:05

You're shite

28:06

You'll never get anywhere

28:07

Go back to the farm

28:08

You know

28:09

That's how brutal it was

28:10

And I did this

28:10

About four or five times

28:11

I just kept going

28:12

And I just wouldn't give up

28:13

I wouldn't take no for an answer

28:14

You know

28:15

I'd do that trip down to London

28:17

And eventually

28:18

I went to see a company

28:19

Called Abstract Records

28:20

Who New Model Army

28:21

Were signed to

28:22

And I was a massive

28:23

New Model Army fan

28:24

Massive New Model

28:25

And Rough Charm

28:26

Definitely had a little bit

28:27

Of that

28:27

I hate to use this word

28:29

But kind of goth punk

28:31

You know

28:32

Edge to us

28:33

And

28:34

The girl

28:35

Whose name

28:36

I forget

28:36

And it's

28:37

God forgive me

28:37

Absolute record

28:38

She says

28:39

You have something

28:40

I really like what you guys are doing

28:41

You know

28:42

You're young

28:42

You have an attitude

28:43

She says

28:43

It's not quite there yet

28:44

She says

28:45

I think you need to get

28:46

Some shows

28:47

She said

28:48

You'd be great to open

28:49

For New Model Army

28:50

I said

28:50

I love New Model Army

28:51

Who

28:52

Who can I get to

28:53

You know

28:54

How am I going to get

28:55

And touch them

28:56

She says

28:57

Look here's the

28:58

Here's their management

28:59

Contact address

29:00

Send them a demo tape

29:02

See what happens

29:03

So I go back home

29:05

And

29:06

To Straven

29:07

And I write a handwritten note

29:08

Blah blah blah

29:10

Put the demo tape

29:11

Mail it off to

29:13

New Model Army's management

29:14

In London

29:15

Think nothing of it

29:17

Be lucky if I hear back

29:18

Yeah

29:19

And about

29:20

A week later

29:21

The phone goes

29:23

And this guy goes

29:24

Hello

29:25

This is Nigel Morton

29:26

Manager New Model Army

29:27

Can I speak to Ricky please

29:28

And I went

29:29

This is Ricky

29:29

He says

29:30

I've just received

29:30

Your demo tape

29:31

And I went

29:32

Fuck off

29:33

I went

29:33

Fuck off Rob

29:34

Stop winding me up

29:35

And put the phone down

29:36

Right

29:37

Thinking it's one of my mates

29:38

From Straven

29:39

Right

29:39

Yeah

29:40

So

29:40

I go back

29:41

I'm on the farm

29:42

So I go back out

29:43

And go to work in the farm

29:44

About 20 minutes later

29:45

My mum

29:46

Comes out and she goes

29:47

There's a big guy

29:48

Phoning you about three times

29:49

He says he's the man

29:50

He says he's the man

29:51

There's New Model Army

29:52

He says you put the phone down on me

29:53

He says he really is

29:54

And I was like

29:55

Oh shit

29:56

You know

29:56

So I come

29:57

This is true story

29:58

So I come

29:58

So my mum calls me in

29:59

Take the phone call

30:00

And he says look

30:01

He said I really like what I'm hearing

30:03

These demo tapes

30:04

Can I come and see your band play

30:05

And I said well we've got a gig

30:06

In the venue in Edinburgh

30:08

On Friday night

30:09

He says I'll fly up and I'll see you

30:10

Wow

30:11

So we did the gig in the venue in Edinburgh

30:14

And Nigel flew up and saw us

30:16

And we played great

30:17

And he went look

30:18

I'm definitely interested in

30:19

In doing something with you

30:21

And he said I'll tell you what I'm going to do

30:23

We'll put some money behind you

30:25

We'll get you in a fairly decent studio

30:26

And we'll get a good demo done

30:27

And we'll take it from there

30:28

So he put us in the studio in Newcastle

30:30

With a guy called Mond Cowie

30:32

Mond used to play guitar for the Angelic Upstarts

30:34

And Mond also produced Vengeance

30:38

The first new Model Army EP

30:39

That was blowing up everywhere

30:40

Blowing up everywhere

30:41

So obviously thrilled

30:43

Yeah

30:44

So we go down to Newcastle upon town

30:46

Spend three days in Link Studios

30:48

Which is owned by Brian Johnson from ACDC

30:50

Just loving it

30:51

Can't believe this is happening

30:53

Demo turns out great

30:55

Nigel says look

30:56

He says New Model Army are doing

30:57

A run of about six shows

30:59

He said let's put you on with him

31:01

Let's see if we can get you noticed

31:03

And you know

31:04

Maybe get the band a record deal

31:06

So we turned up at the first show

31:08

And it was Norwich University

31:09

It was Norwich University

31:10

And I'll never forget it

31:11

And I'm just like

31:12

I just can't believe

31:13

I mean New Model Army are the band

31:14

I'm just fanatical about at this point

31:16

You know they're my favourite band

31:17

And I've been to see them a bunch

31:19

And Justin Leeson comes in

31:21

And he's super friendly

31:22

And he says I believe you know some of our songs

31:25

I said yes

31:26

He said look

31:27

He said we could really do with an extra guitar

31:29

On a couple of tracks

31:30

He said do you fancy once you've done your set

31:32

Getting up and playing on blah blah blah

31:34

And blah blah blah with us

31:36

Of course I'm like

31:37

This happens

31:39

We do the six dates of the tour

31:40

It's amazing

31:41

I get up every night

31:42

Playing two or three songs with them

31:44

Go back home

31:45

Think nothing more of it

31:46

About a week later

31:48

Justin calls me up

31:49

He goes have you got a passport?

31:50

And I went no

31:51

Don't have a passport

31:52

Never been

31:53

No I think I'd been to Spain

31:54

Maybe three years

31:55

You know as a kid

31:56

No

31:57

He says get yourself a passport

31:58

He said we've got a German tour

32:00

Starting

32:01

Will you come and play guitar?

32:03

We need the extra guitar player

32:05

So I'd you know

32:07

Rush off

32:08

Get the overnight passport

32:09

Next thing I know

32:10

I'm on a plane to Hamburg

32:11

And the first thing we do is

32:14

We play a very famous venue

32:16

Called the Docks in Hamburg

32:17

Which is still there to this day

32:18

I've played it many times

32:19

The next show after that

32:22

Is a TV show

32:23

National TV show in Germany

32:24

Which I'm on TV

32:25

You know you've got to understand

32:26

You know like a week earlier

32:27

I'm fucking

32:28

Plowing a field on the farm

32:29

You know what I mean?

32:30

Or you know

32:31

So the third gig

32:33

Is in front of the Reichstad

32:35

Opening for David Bowie

32:36

In front of 85,000 people

32:38

On the glass spider tour

32:40

That was my third gig

32:42

Wow

32:43

And I'm just you know

32:44

I'm just fucking

32:46

I can't believe this is happening

32:48

Happening

32:49

So I end up doing

32:51

Justin goes look

32:52

We have a world tour

32:53

We have a year's worth of shows

32:54

All over the world

32:55

We need an extra guitar player

32:56

We need

32:57

And I played a little bit of keyboards as well

32:58

He said we need

32:59

We need somebody else

33:00

Can you do this?

33:01

So I had to do the thing

33:03

Which I didn't enjoy

33:04

I didn't enjoy

33:05

I had to go back and tell the guys

33:06

Look I've got this opportunity

33:08

You can hate me if you want

33:09

Yeah

33:10

But I'm going to have to take it

33:11

And yes they were

33:13

You know pissed off

33:14

But they would have done the same

33:15

You know anybody would have done the same

33:17

At that age

33:18

At that opportunity

33:19

Sort of I had the idea

33:21

You know you're always thinking

33:22

I had the idea

33:23

The name of the Almighty came to me

33:25

While I was on tour

33:26

With New Modern Army

33:27

I thought when I

33:28

You know

33:29

If I do get another band

33:30

It'll be called the Almighty

33:31

And then when New Modern Army came off the tour

33:32

They were going in to record their album

33:34

Thunder and Constellation

33:35

Which was a great album

33:36

And Justin

33:37

Excuse me the singer was just honest

33:38

He said look we love having you playing live

33:40

He said but the core of the band is the three of us

33:42

Sure

33:43

Exactly

33:44

And we're going to go in and make this record

33:47

You can have three or four months off

33:49

We'll get back out in the road

33:51

And even then

33:52

Even though I was playing my favourite band

33:53

I just went Justin

33:54

I went that's not enough for me

33:55

I said I want this

33:56

I want the right songs

33:57

And I want to sing

33:58

I totally respect your decision

34:00

Yeah

34:01

But I'm going to go and do my own thing

34:02

This has been unbelievable

34:03

Thank you for everything you've given me

34:05

The opportunities you've given me

34:06

But I'm going to go and start my own band

34:08

And that was the beginning of the Almighty

34:10

Sitting on inside my head

34:14

No mirrors to reflect

34:18

Is this here the season of joy?

34:22

Or the season to end yet?

34:27

Lord this must be judgment day

34:32

Take a close look at myself

34:37

While you're happy

34:39

With the hand that you've been dealt

34:45

The bells are told silently

34:49

Inflict the invisible band

34:53

Tell me which is more righteous

34:57

To this regal of cocaine

35:01

Friends won't answer your phone calls

35:06

Call your long distance family

35:08

Call your long distance family

35:10

Well I hope someone is listening

35:14

As I'm going to go and do it

35:15

As I'm going to go and do it

35:16

As I'm going to go and do it

35:17

As I'm going to go and do it

35:18

As I'm going to go and do it

35:19

As I'm going to go and do it

35:20

As I'm going to go and do it

35:21

As I'm going to go and do it

35:22

As I'm going to go and do it

35:23

As I'm going to go and do it

35:24

As I'm going to go and do it

35:25

As I'm going to go and do it

35:26

As I'm going to go and do it

35:27

As I'm going to go and do it

35:28

As I'm going to go and do it

35:29

As I'm going to go and do it

35:30

As I'm going to go and do it

35:31

As I'm going to go and do it

35:32

As I'm going to go and do it

35:33

As I'm going to go and do it

35:34

As I'm going to go and do it

35:35

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35:36

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35:37

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35:38

As I'm going to go and do it

35:39

As I'm going to go and do it

35:40

As I'm going to go and do it

35:41

As I'm going to go and do it

35:42

As I'm going to go and do it

35:43

As I'm going to go and do it

35:44

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35:45

As I'm going to go and do it

35:46

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35:47

As I'm going to go and do it

35:48

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35:49

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35:50

As I'm going to go and do it

35:51

As I'm going to go and do it

35:52

As I'm going to go and do it

35:53

As I'm going to go and do it

35:54

As I'm going to go and do it

35:55

As I'm going to go and do it

36:06

As I'm going to go and do it

36:07

As I'm going to go and do it

36:08

As I'm going to go and do it

36:09

As I'm going to go and do it

36:10

As I'm going to go and do it

36:11

As I'm going to go and do it

36:12

As I'm going to go and do it

36:13

As I'm going to go and do it

36:14

As I'm going to go and do it

36:15

As I'm going to go and do it

36:16

As I'm going to go and do it

36:17

As I'm going to go and do it

36:18

As I'm going to go and do it

36:19

As I'm going to go and do it

36:20

As I'm going to go and do it

36:21

As I'm going to go and do it

36:22

As I'm going to go and do it

36:23

As I'm going to go and do it

36:24

As I'm going to go and do it

36:25

As I'm going to go and do it

36:36

As I'm going to go and do it

36:38

As I'm going to go and do it

36:39

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36:40

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36:41

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36:42

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36:43

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36:44

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36:45

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36:46

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36:47

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36:48

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36:49

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36:50

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36:51

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36:52

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36:53

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36:54

As I'm going to go and do it

36:55

As I'm going to go and do it

36:56

As I'm going to go and do it

37:06

As I'm going to go and do it

37:07

As I'm going to go and do it

37:08

As I'm going to go and do it

37:09

As I'm going to go and do it

37:10

As I'm going to go and do it

37:11

As I'm going to go and do it

37:12

As I'm going to go and do it

37:13

As I'm going to go and do it

37:14

As I'm going to go and do it

37:15

As I'm going to go and do it

37:16

As I'm going to go and do it

37:17

As I'm going to go and do it

37:18

I'm going to go and do it

37:19

As I'm going to go and do it

37:20

As I'm going to go and do it

37:21

As I'm going to go and do it

37:22

As I'm going to go and do it

37:23

As I'm going to go and do it

37:24

As I'm going to go and do it

37:25

As I'm going to go and do it

37:26

Yeah!

37:56

Look inside my black lines

38:06

Telling stories without care

38:11

You might not like what they say

38:14

But they only seem the truth

38:19

Played on me my tarot

38:23

Slip my neck in through the belt

38:27

You can't change the ways of the game

38:31

When the cards are already dealt

38:35

When the cards are already dealt

38:38

Oh Lord, yeah

38:40

The bells they call silently

38:44

Inflict the invisible pain

38:48

Tell me your wishes for ashes

38:52

Share this legal of cocaine

38:56

Friends won't answer your phone calls

39:00

Call your long distance family

39:04

Well I hope someone is listening

39:08

Yeah, I hope someone is listening

39:12

As I'm going to go and do it

39:13

As I'm going to go and do it

39:14

As I'm going to go and do it

39:15

As I'm going to go and do it

39:16

As I'm going to go and do it

39:17

As I'm going to go and do it

39:18

As I'm going to go and do it

39:19

As I'm going to go and do it

39:20

As I'm going to go and do it

39:21

As I'm going to go and do it

39:22

As I'm going to go and do it

39:23

As I'm going to go and do it

39:24

As I'm going to go and do it

39:25

As I'm going to go and do it

39:26

As I'm going to go and do it

39:27

As I'm going to go and do it

39:28

As I'm going to go and do it

39:29

As I'm going to go and do it

39:30

As I'm going to go and do it

39:31

I think that was my favourite one on this album

39:53

Bandaged Knees

39:54

Bandaged Knees

39:56

I like the atmosphere for some of these

39:59

Do you know what else I quite like

40:00

Is the snare drum sound

40:02

Yeah

40:02

I don't like it

40:04

Don't you

40:04

No

40:05

It's quite punky

40:06

It's quite

40:07

It's of its time

40:08

Yeah

40:09

At the time that would have been

40:10

The right snare drum to have

40:12

I don't feel

40:13

Oh not today

40:14

If you were doing an album today

40:15

Connected to that snare drum

40:16

Yeah you wouldn't do it

40:17

If you were doing it today

40:17

I quite like it

40:18

It's got

40:18

It's got

40:19

Like a

40:20

I don't know

40:21

Like a ricochet

40:22

Yeah

40:22

On it almost

40:23

I quite like that

40:24

Yeah

40:24

Shall we do some facts

40:26

Yes

40:27

I've got some facts

40:29

I'll do some facts

40:30

Yep

40:31

So

40:32

I can't see my own screen here

40:34

So

40:35

Released on 30th March 1991

40:38

So it's quite old

40:41

Yeah

40:41

Like me

40:43

It doesn't feel like a March album

40:46

What does it feel like?

40:49

It feels like an autumn album

40:50

Like an October album

40:51

Oh yeah

40:52

To me

40:52

For me this is an autumn album

40:55

Because I bought

40:56

I would have bought this in September

40:58

Yeah

40:58

And then I would have listened to it

41:00

I recorded it onto

41:01

My cassette

41:02

Minidisc

41:03

Yeah

41:03

God I love

41:04

Bring Minidisc back

41:05

Sony wants a good slap

41:07

If Sony

41:07

Yeah

41:08

Had have opened that format up

41:10

Done it properly

41:10

Yeah because you couldn't

41:12

You couldn't do like

41:13

Direct digital recording and stuff

41:14

Do you remember

41:15

You had to do it in real time

41:16

Yeah

41:16

It was all really crappy

41:17

If they had have let you do

41:19

Like digital to digital recording

41:21

This is going off on a tangent

41:23

Massively now

41:23

But

41:23

It would have been

41:25

It's only ones and zeros isn't it

41:26

It would have been incredible

41:27

Copy it over

41:28

Bosh

41:28

Imagine you could have turned up there

41:29

Got your Sony CD player

41:30

Yeah

41:31

Plugged your Minidisc in

41:31

Went Bosh

41:32

Yeah

41:33

On your Minidisc

41:33

And then you're on the bus

41:34

Listening to your music

41:35

Yeah

41:35

Yeah

41:35

Nah

41:36

Morons they were

41:38

Yeah

41:38

Sony

41:39

Sony

41:41

Anyway I loved it

41:43

I think the Minidisc is a brilliant format

41:44

They just ruined it

41:45

Yeah

41:45

Yeah anyway

41:47

So released 30th March 1991

41:49

My engagement with this

41:51

I bought the record on the vinyl

41:53

Recorded it to my cassette

41:55

Yeah

41:56

And then I've had it on my Walkman

41:57

Yeah

41:58

In my ears

41:59

In my

42:00

You know the crappy earphones

42:01

That used to have

42:02

Yeah yeah yeah yeah

42:02

On the sweaty bus

42:03

I remember

42:04

I remember on the way to Burton College

42:06

And it would be like October November

42:08

You know when it's cold outside

42:10

Yeah

42:10

And I was on there with all the old age pensioners

42:12

They would breathe

42:13

And their breath would be all over

42:15

Over the windows

42:16

And I'd get on

42:17

And I'd be like

42:18

This is miserable

42:20

Anyway

42:20

And I would listen to this

42:22

Total runtime

42:23

And they'd all eat beef

42:24

Sorry

42:25

They'd all eat beef don't they

42:27

Don't know

42:28

Yeah

42:29

They don't know what pensioners eat

42:30

Yeah it's beef

42:31

What do you want for tea?

42:32

Beef

42:33

Beef pensioners

42:34

Total runtime

42:35

58 minutes 34 seconds

42:36

Which sounds a lot

42:37

But it's 12 tracks

42:38

Yeah

42:39

Recorded by Polydor

42:41

Polydor funded this reasonably well

42:43

Yeah

42:43

Bunged them a load of quids

42:45

Which is bonkers

42:46

If you like

42:47

There were kids from Scotland

42:49

Yeah yeah yeah yeah

42:50

I mean

42:52

Yeah it was one of them wasn't it?

42:53

That was a proper gamble

42:54

They really took a risk

42:54

I think they saw the drive

42:56

Yeah

42:56

In them

42:57

We worked our socks off

42:58

We were rehearsing

42:59

Three or four nights a week

43:00

Yeah

43:01

We were hustling

43:02

We were always thinking

43:03

We were always you know

43:05

Scrimping and scraping

43:06

You know getting in a van

43:08

Going down to London

43:09

Losing money on gigs

43:10

You know

43:10

12, 11 gigs we did

43:12

Or whatever it was

43:12

You know what I mean?

43:13

Yeah

43:13

But what worked really well

43:17

With the Almighty

43:17

Was right place

43:19

Right time

43:20

Coming from Straven

43:21

Being the chookters

43:21

That we were

43:22

And not being part

43:24

Of that Glasgow scene

43:25

Yeah

43:26

Because there was a lot

43:27

Of good Glasgow bands

43:28

That could really play

43:29

Yeah

43:29

Really

43:30

I'm not going to mention names

43:31

But really

43:31

Could really play

43:32

And a lot

43:32

That were always knocking

43:33

On the door

43:34

Not quite there

43:35

Yeah

43:35

These three ruffians

43:37

From Straven

43:37

Came along with tattoos

43:38

Yeah

43:39

Could barely play

43:40

Four chords

43:40

But with more attitude

43:42

Than all those bands

43:43

Put together

43:43

Yeah

43:44

And more swagger

43:45

And we would come in

43:47

And we'd just play

43:47

And we'd blow the roof

43:48

Off the place

43:49

And people would go

43:49

What the fuck is that?

43:50

Who are they?

43:51

Recorded in Trident Studios

43:53

In London

43:54

By the mighty Andy Taylor

43:56

Off of

43:57

Duran Duran

43:58

Duran

43:58

That we've discovered

44:00

What songs did Duran Duran do?

44:02

I don't know

44:04

No idea

44:07

If Alexa

44:08

Is Alexa on?

44:09

Didn't they do Rio?

44:09

I don't know

44:10

Is that a different band?

44:11

Watch what I'm going to do

44:12

I'm going to totally do this

44:14

Look

44:14

Hi there

44:15

What songs did Duran Duran do?

44:17

Hey

44:19

Duran Duran have a ton

44:21

Of great songs

44:21

Some of their biggest hits

44:23

Include Hungry Like the Wolf

44:24

Oh yeah

44:25

Oh no she's stopped now

44:27

Girls on Film

44:28

That's Duran Duran

44:29

Girls on Film

44:30

Yeah

44:30

Ordinary World

44:31

That's a good song

44:32

Girls on Film

44:34

I don't know that bit

44:34

Rio

44:35

They did Rio

44:37

Girls on Film

44:38

I don't know that bit

44:39

Wild Boys

44:40

Wild Boys

44:40

Oh yeah

44:41

Yeah

44:41

Yeah

44:41

Yeah

44:41

Yeah

44:42

Anyway

44:43

Yes

44:44

It peaked at number 22

44:47

On the UK album charts

44:49

Yeah

44:50

I don't think it charted in the United States

44:52

No

44:53

President Trump

44:54

Which is weird isn't it?

44:54

I don't know

44:54

President Trump probably doesn't even know

44:56

The Almighty

44:56

That's because he is the Almighty

45:00

Well

45:00

That picture of him as the Pope

45:02

Unbelievable isn't it?

45:03

Man

45:05

Did you see that?

45:06

Oh you sent it to me

45:07

Didn't you?

45:07

Yeah

45:08

Wow

45:08

Yeah retweeted by the White House

45:10

Or reposted

45:11

I don't know what's going on

45:12

Retruthed

45:13

I don't know what's going on

45:14

I just don't know

45:15

I don't know what's real anymore

45:17

That's the thing

45:18

You can't tell can you?

45:19

No no no

45:20

You're like did he

45:21

I don't want to get into it

45:24

But I

45:25

No

45:26

Yeah

45:27

I don't

45:28

Yeah

45:28

Yeah

45:29

Moving on

45:30

Yeah

45:30

People weren't really sure what to make of the album

45:35

And the Almighty

45:36

They didn't particularly fit into

45:39

And this I think is very true of

45:41

That whole British rock scene at the time

45:43

Yeah

45:44

Yeah

45:44

Like what genre are Skunk and Nancy?

45:46

Yeah

45:47

Yeah yeah exactly

45:48

Yeah

45:49

You know what I mean

45:50

It's just a lot of shrugging

45:51

A lot of

45:51

Yeah yeah

45:52

And they got called political rock didn't they?

45:55

Political rock

45:56

Yeah political rock

45:57

I think they got really confused with the Almighty

46:00

Are they a punk band?

46:01

Yeah yeah

46:01

Are they a rock band?

46:02

Are they a punk rock band?

46:03

What kind of band are they?

46:04

Yeah

46:05

Which that was really really interesting

46:08

There was a quote from

46:12

Brit Rock

46:12

Brit Rock

46:14

He says that's what

46:15

I asked ChatGPT to create a scene name

46:17

And it said Brit Rock

46:18

Brit Rock

46:18

Yeah

46:19

But it's too close to Brit Pop

46:22

It is

46:23

Yeah

46:23

And it's a bit more alt-y

46:27

I don't know

46:27

Yeah

46:28

I'd call it alternative rock

46:29

Alternative UK rock

46:31

That's why I call it

46:32

It is hard rock isn't it?

46:32

Yeah yeah

46:33

There's some stuff in there that's alt-y

46:35

Yeah

46:36

But a lot of the stuff that I really want to cover

46:38

Like this

46:38

That Thunder

46:39

Yeah

46:40

Little Angels were a bit poppy

46:43

Yeah yeah

46:43

But they're still quite rocky

46:44

Gun

46:46

Yeah yeah

46:47

It's just this hard rock

46:48

It's just this massive slab of hard rock bands

46:51

In the 90s

46:52

In the UK

46:53

That no one outside of the UK

46:55

Has ever heard of

46:56

Yeah

46:56

And I need to fix that

46:58

I feel like I need to kind of

46:59

Do you know what I mean?

47:00

Yeah

47:01

Not that anyone's going to listen to them

47:03

So I have a funny feeling that you know

47:05

Compared to the big US albums

47:08

That we've been doing

47:08

I've got like four people

47:10

Are going to listen to these

47:11

So

47:11

Prove them all wrong

47:13

Yeah

47:13

Everybody

47:13

Anyway

47:14

Warwick said

47:15

Andy was known for pop stuff

47:18

But he had a rock attitude

47:19

And he wanted to make a bombastic

47:21

In your face rock record

47:22

He was the right man for the job

47:23

And he loved rock music

47:25

Yeah okay

47:25

I think like that people

47:26

Probably didn't

47:27

Didn't realise that very much

47:31

We've already

47:33

Done the interview bit

47:37

With where he came from

47:38

But ultimately

47:40

You know

47:42

From Ireland

47:43

And then over to Scotland

47:44

Yeah yeah yeah

47:45

And

47:46

That I think

47:50

Like his accent

47:51

And the punk style

47:53

Of that kind of punk attitude

47:54

The press really got confused

47:57

They were like going

47:58

Oh

47:58

They're like the cult

47:59

And ACDC

48:00

Right okay

48:01

Lots of comparisons

48:02

If you look at this stuff

48:03

Which is a little bit

48:04

Yeah

48:04

A bit bizarre

48:05

I think was a little bit bizarre anyway

48:08

In the band were

48:10

Ricky Warwick vocals

48:11

Stump Monroe

48:12

Everyone had a nickname

48:13

Yeah

48:14

Because you have to do

48:14

Yeah

48:15

Stump Monroe

48:15

Floyd London

48:16

And Tantrum

48:17

Who's Andy McCafferty

48:18

Tantrum

48:19

It's good isn't it

48:21

Yeah

48:21

I think it's really good

48:22

Ricky wrote most of the lyrics

48:25

I think

48:26

Tantrum wrote some

48:28

And Floyd wrote some as well

48:30

But the vast majority

48:31

Of the lyrics

48:33

Are Ricky's

48:35

The album title

48:38

Soul Destruction

48:39

Is the darker side

48:40

Of human nature

48:41

That's where it comes from

48:42

Ah okay

48:42

I always loved the

48:43

That

48:44

The soul

48:45

I just loved the song

48:46

Yeah

48:47

The song title

48:48

Yeah

48:48

But yeah

48:50

It's

48:51

It's pretty mega

48:52

Recorded

48:55

Between December

48:56

1990

48:57

And January

48:58

1991

48:58

So it was a winter album

49:00

Recorded

49:01

Yeah that's where

49:01

That's it then

49:02

That's what you can hear

49:03

I can hear the snowflakes

49:07

Yeah which I think

49:10

So engineered by Adrian Bushby

49:12

That name comes

49:13

Oh

49:14

What are you

49:17

What are you

49:17

Oh no you're looking at me

49:18

Like I've just said

49:19

I've

49:20

No that's interesting

49:22

Anyway yeah

49:23

So Adrian Bushby

49:23

Yeah which

49:26

He would later work with

49:28

Foo Fighters

49:29

And Moos

49:30

Yeah

49:30

I like Moos

49:31

Moos

49:32

Yeah

49:33

Recorded on the normal stuff

49:35

SSL 4000 discs

49:36

1176 compressors

49:39

All of the usual stuff

49:41

I think one of the reasons

49:44

I really love the tone of this album

49:45

Is it's not over compressed

49:47

Yeah yeah yeah

49:47

Do you know what I mean

49:48

There's lots of dynamics

49:49

And in fact nearly all of these albums

49:51

They're nowhere near as compressed

49:53

They're not as thick as the US

49:54

Yeah yeah yeah

49:56

Versions

49:56

And then the

49:57

Like the US hard rock

49:59

That would follow

50:00

After this stuff

50:01

Is like just a massive

50:04

It's a slab

50:04

It's not a wall of guitars

50:06

Yeah yeah yeah

50:06

It's just this like

50:08

It's like a tsunami

50:09

Just hits

50:10

Yeah yeah yeah

50:10

You know what I mean

50:10

The guitars are like

50:12

You can taste them

50:13

They're thick

50:13

Yeah yeah yeah

50:14

You know what I mean

50:14

They're incredible

50:15

Back here it's a little bit more

50:18

Like

50:19

It's got more in common

50:20

I think with those kind of

50:21

British prog bands

50:23

Yeah yeah yeah

50:23

Guitar tone

50:24

Not the tone

50:27

But the

50:27

How compressed it is

50:29

Yeah

50:30

You know what I mean

50:30

How new faces

50:31

Which I think is really interesting

50:33

Other albums that Andy Taylor produced

50:36

We talked about this a little bit before

50:37

But he did work with the power station

50:39

He did Thunder's Backstreet Symphony

50:41

Which is very much a part of this

50:43

Rod Stewart's Out of Order

50:44

Don't think I've ever listened to that

50:45

No I've not

50:46

Do you know

50:47

I've only

50:47

I only know Rod Stewart

50:49

I am sailing

50:50

I am sailing

50:52

I know

50:54

A Rod Stewart song

50:55

An actual Rod Stewart song

50:56

I'm going to play it for you

50:57

You ready

50:57

Do you recognise this

51:02

No

51:03

Did you not watch this

51:04

Star Trek Enterprise

51:05

No

51:08

Was this on the Enterprise

51:09

The theme tune

51:10

It was recorded by a dude

51:11

Called Russell Watson

51:12

Oh

51:14

The singer

51:15

The man

51:15

Yeah

51:16

Yeah

51:18

You're the man

51:19

Yeah

51:19

Russell Watson

51:20

I really liked it

51:21

I didn't know it was Rod Stewart

51:22

So he covered Rod Stewart

51:24

Yeah

51:25

But the bit that I think is really weird

51:27

It's

51:29

It's in Rod Stewart now

51:30

Oh that bit

51:32

That bit right

51:34

Sorry

51:34

The reason I wanted to

51:35

Oh I can't stop it

51:37

Stop

51:38

Keeping that in

51:47

That's actually something he would say to a lady

51:49

He'd be like

51:50

Once you ride

51:51

You can't stop

51:52

The reason

51:54

I've gone on a rabbit hole already for this one

51:57

So that was Russell Watson

51:58

Yeah

51:59

Faith of the Heart

52:00

It was on a TV series called

52:01

Star Trek Enterprise

52:02

Which I quite liked

52:03

Scott Bakula

52:04

Scott Bakula

52:05

Yeah

52:05

He was dead good

52:06

Yeah

52:06

Quantum leap

52:07

But two things about it that I think is weird

52:09

One I didn't know it was Rod Stewart

52:10

I thought that's quite cool

52:11

I should look that up

52:12

And I looked it up

52:13

Found it was Rod Stewart

52:14

And then thought oh

52:14

Yeah

52:15

Which was a bit weird isn't it

52:16

I feel like I probably would like Rod Stewart

52:18

Yeah

52:19

If I listen

52:19

I feel like I may need to go and listen

52:21

He did some good stuff

52:22

I may need to listen to his stuff

52:23

The other weird thing is

52:24

Handbags and Glad Rags

52:25

It's a good song

52:26

Faith

52:26

Yeah

52:27

Faith of the Heart

52:28

Was the name of the song

52:29

For the Enterprise

52:31

They renamed it

52:32

Where My Heart Will Take Me

52:34

Oh really

52:35

Can you do that

52:36

I mean like can I

52:38

And this is

52:40

Well so let's say I took one of your songs

52:44

Yeah

52:44

And then I covered it

52:45

Yeah

52:46

And then I was just like

52:46

I'll call it something else

52:47

Are you allowed to do that

52:49

Is that

52:50

I just feel like there should be like

52:52

Some copyright law

52:54

Yeah

52:55

He would have okayed it

52:56

Had he gone yeah whatever

52:57

Rod

52:58

Maybe Rod Stewart's a massive Star Trek fan

53:01

He's like

53:01

When he wasn't rodding

53:02

No I think

53:06

I think that

53:06

I think that

53:07

What he's

53:08

What he sat at home was

53:08

He's like

53:09

If you can sort me out

53:10

With some Spock ears

53:10

Spock ears

53:11

Do me the death grip

53:14

Teach me the death grip

53:15

And you can do what you want

53:16

Yeah

53:17

Tell me the Spock ears

53:18

And then you can

53:19

And then you can do

53:20

What you want with it

53:21

Yeah

53:21

I mean that was a tiny

53:23

Little meander off track

53:24

But we

53:24

We were doing facts

53:25

Of soul destruction

53:26

Shall I

53:28

I was just looking down

53:29

At my

53:29

My iPad

53:31

And I suddenly realised

53:32

I was doing something

53:32

We've gone right off there

53:35

Yeah

53:36

That's good going

53:36

It's not bad is it

53:37

Yeah yeah

53:37

If we were on a radio station

53:38

They'd be having words with us

53:39

Somebody would be banging on the glass

53:41

Wouldn't they

53:41

Shut up

53:43

Right

53:46

So yeah

53:47

So released

53:47

The 30th of March 1991

53:49

Reached number 22

53:51

On the UK album charts

53:52

Which is

53:53

Which is pretty good

53:55

Considering the Britpop

53:57

And all the things

53:58

That were going on

53:59

In that time

54:00

And there's some other albums

54:01

That were released in 91

54:02

I'm going to give you a list

54:03

In a minute

54:03

But they're just

54:05

Absolute incredible

54:07

The Almighty's biggest album

54:10

Was their next one

54:10

Power Tripping

54:11

Right okay

54:12

A bit grungy

54:13

Oh really

54:13

Yeah they went

54:14

That era wasn't it

54:15

Yeah

54:16

Was it 92, 93

54:17

Yeah 93

54:18

Produced by Chris Sheldon

54:20

Who did Crank as well

54:21

I was going to say that

54:21

Yeah that name brings up

54:22

That's

54:23

He's done some other stuff as well

54:24

He has

54:24

But Power Tripping

54:26

Is the one

54:26

I think Power Tripping

54:27

Is probably the one

54:28

Most people

54:29

Know

54:30

Of The Almighty

54:31

So yeah

54:32

Absolutely huge

54:33

So albums in 1991

54:36

I'm going to take a breath

54:37

And give you a list

54:38

Because there's some bangers

54:39

Nevermind

54:39

Nevermind

54:40

Metallica

54:41

The Black Album

54:42

Bad Motor Finger

54:43

Use Your Illusion 1 and 2

54:46

Yeah

54:46

Too much

54:47

For me

54:48

I couldn't consume

54:49

With Blind Melon Man on it

54:50

I

54:51

Yeah I

54:51

I just

54:52

Didn't

54:54

Engage

54:55

With either of those albums

54:56

Yeah

54:57

Because there's too much of them

54:58

Not even November Rain

54:59

No

55:00

That was too long

55:02

Even though Slash walked out of the church

55:03

I liked

55:04

Tell you what I like about November

55:05

I like the end of it

55:06

Yeah

55:06

Do you know what I mean

55:09

Not when it ends

55:10

But I like the last

55:11

The last like 3 minutes

55:12

Because it's like 5 hours long

55:14

Isn't it

55:14

The last 3 minutes

55:16

It's nearly as long as a meatloaf intro

55:17

Poor meat

55:20

I still love that interview

55:22

Where he makes that

55:23

Children's TV presenter

55:24

She says

55:25

Do I call you Mr. Loaf

55:27

And he says

55:27

No you can call me Meat

55:28

I just love him

55:32

Anyway other albums

55:33

That came out in 1991

55:34

10 by the Pearl Jam

55:36

Yeah yeah

55:36

Slave to the Grind

55:38

By Skid Row

55:39

Arise by Sepultura

55:40

Wow

55:41

My second favourite

55:42

Sepultura album

55:43

Yeah

55:43

Chaos AD

55:44

Beneath the Remains

55:45

Oh Beneath the Remains

55:46

Right yeah

55:46

We're going to struggle

55:48

When it comes to doing

55:49

At some point

55:50

We're going to be in that

55:51

Scene

55:51

Which one do we do

55:52

And we're going to have to

55:53

Choose a Sepultura album

55:54

And me and you are like

55:55

Separated by like

55:56

I think Beneath the Remains

55:57

Is the

55:58

I just think it's incredible

56:00

Yeah yeah

56:00

And you're kind of

56:01

A couple of albums later

56:02

Yeah I'm Roots

56:03

Yeah yeah

56:04

Blood Sugar Sex and Magic

56:05

By the Red Hot Chili Peppers

56:06

Yeah

56:07

And another one of my favourites

56:08

Clandestine by Entombed

56:09

That's my second favourite

56:11

Entombed album

56:11

Right

56:12

Left Hand Path is my favourite

56:13

Okay yeah yeah yeah

56:14

At some point

56:14

We'll have to do that as well

56:15

That scene again

56:16

Is absolutely excellent

56:17

Didn't win any awards

56:19

Soul Destruction by the

56:20

No

56:20

No

56:21

Slipped under the radar

56:23

Yeah

56:23

Kerrang readers

56:24

Placed the Almighty

56:24

Among the best new acts

56:26

In their 1989 poll

56:28

But they didn't really

56:30

Get much notice

56:31

Now

56:32

It didn't really

56:34

Occur to me at the time

56:35

But the reason

56:36

No one in the US

56:38

Had heard of these bands

56:39

Is because

56:39

Nevermind came out

56:41

Yeah

56:41

And Ten came out

56:42

Yeah

56:43

And Bad Motor Finger

56:44

Came out

56:44

And Metallica came out

56:46

And Use Your Illusion

56:47

One and Two came out

56:48

Yeah

56:48

So given

56:49

Do you see what I mean

56:52

Yeah

56:52

With those albums out

56:54

In the US

56:55

If you were in the US

56:57

Yeah that's all you listen to

56:58

You're not going to have seen

56:59

I mean we

57:00

I knew those albums were out

57:02

You know

57:03

We were obviously getting this too

57:05

So I think

57:06

Tons of people just won't

57:07

What an era for

57:08

Oh it's mad isn't it

57:10

Rock music

57:10

What an era

57:11

You know

57:12

I must have said that

57:13

So many times

57:14

On this podcast

57:15

But

57:15

Yeah

57:16

What a world that was back then

57:18

And to be a musician

57:19

In that world

57:19

It's crazy isn't it

57:20

Yeah yeah

57:21

I remember when

57:22

Clandestine came out

57:23

I took a day off college

57:24

I honestly

57:26

I took a day off college

57:27

And went and bought it

57:28

And just sat at home

57:29

And listened to the CD

57:30

Yeah yeah yeah

57:30

That's what

57:31

Sounds mad doesn't it

57:33

Yeah yeah yeah

57:34

But that's what I did

57:34

Genuinely

57:36

Absolutely definitely

57:37

That's what I did

57:37

There were three singles

57:39

Yeah

57:40

Free and easy

57:41

Little Lost Sometimes

57:43

And Devil's Toy

57:43

It's just occurred to me

57:44

When we were talking about

57:45

This song that wasn't

57:46

On Apple Music

57:47

It wasn't Devil's Toy

57:48

It was Little Lost Sometimes

57:49

Oh okay

57:50

So it was Free and Easy

57:51

And Little Lost Sometimes

57:52

Yeah

57:53

Little Lost Sometimes

57:54

Is seven minutes long

57:55

Yeah yeah

57:56

Which is quite long

57:56

Yeah it's quite long

57:57

Yeah

57:57

What else did I want to talk about

58:02

Oh touring

58:02

So

58:03

There were

58:05

A big live band

58:07

Yeah

58:07

But as we

58:09

Heard in the interviews

58:10

They were picked up

58:12

And signed

58:12

Really quickly

58:13

Really quickly

58:13

Yeah

58:14

And then they were

58:15

Kind of out on the road

58:17

They were touring

58:18

With Motorhead

58:19

And Megadeth

58:20

Yeah

58:20

Which like

58:21

You know

58:22

Big

58:22

Big stuff

58:23

They

58:24

With Alice Cooper

58:25

As well

58:26

And you know

58:29

I just

58:29

I don't know

58:30

So they

58:32

They were just

58:33

This machine

58:35

Of a live band

58:35

I think they just

58:36

Kind of got it

58:36

Right

58:37

They just kind of

58:37

Understood

58:38

Yeah

58:38

How live music works

58:39

They always had some

58:40

Covers that they were doing

58:41

So they did

58:41

Backman Turner Overdrives

58:43

You ain't seen nothing yet

58:44

And Sex Pistols

58:46

They did Bodies

58:47

I think that was the tour

58:47

After

58:48

Yeah

58:48

I might be on this tour

58:50

But they would do stuff like that

58:52

Where they would do these

58:53

It's a talking point isn't it

58:54

Yeah

58:54

I think they really knew

58:56

That they were kind of the underdogs

58:57

They were out

58:58

Touring with these bigger bands

59:00

So they'd like drop in something

59:01

That people heard of

59:03

And like I say

59:03

You ain't seen nothing yet

59:05

Was the one that really pulled me in

59:06

And I was like

59:06

Oh god that's really cool

59:07

What they've done with that

59:08

Is really really cool

59:09

And you hate covers as well

59:10

I'm not a big covers fan

59:11

Well yeah

59:12

That's true

59:13

I'm not a big covers fan

59:14

What else

59:17

Oh five things

59:18

In

59:19

This is from the blog

59:20

So Andy Taylor produced it

59:22

He was off of Duran Duran

59:24

It peaked at number 22

59:27

Artwork was by Coot

59:28

K-O-O-T

59:29

It's worth checking him out

59:30

And some of his artwork

59:31

Really really cool

59:32

Redid the album artwork

59:34

And you know

59:36

While you were faffing earlier

59:37

Yeah

59:38

I ordered

59:39

I don't faff

59:39

You were doing something earlier

59:41

While you were doing that

59:43

I ordered the remaster

59:44

Did you really

59:45

That's how often

59:46

That's how much I faff

59:48

And that's how long I faff for

59:49

It is yeah

59:49

But they're going to be delivered tomorrow

59:50

And I'm looking forward to that

59:52

Interesting bands

59:55

That cited them as

59:57

Influencers

59:59

So Machine Head

1:00:00

They've got a new album out

1:00:01

Which I quite like

1:00:02

That's quite heavy

1:00:03

Good record

1:00:04

Black Label Society

1:00:06

As well

1:00:06

Yeah

1:00:06

Everybody gave it

1:00:09

Like pretty good reviews

1:00:10

Like fours and five

1:00:11

Yeah yeah

1:00:11

Fours out of five

1:00:12

Fives out of five

1:00:13

That kind of thing

1:00:13

Tantrum

1:00:16

The guitarist left in 92

1:00:17

Who was replaced

1:00:19

By Pete Freeson

1:00:20

Who was Alice Cooper's

1:00:22

Touring guitar

1:00:22

Ah right

1:00:23

I thought I knew that

1:00:23

And then he was on there

1:00:25

For power tripping

1:00:26

So you can hear

1:00:27

There's a big difference

1:00:28

There's a big difference

1:00:28

Guitar wise

1:00:29

In guitar tone

1:00:30

When they

1:00:30

And I think that's kind of

1:00:31

Where it

1:00:32

Where it comes from

1:00:34

So that

1:00:35

That shift is

1:00:36

I think is Pete Freeson's

1:00:38

Yeah yeah yeah

1:00:38

Sound

1:00:39

Recently reunited in 2023

1:00:41

So the band

1:00:43

Split up

1:00:44

I say split up

1:00:46

I think

1:00:46

I think

1:00:47

Wiki

1:00:47

Wiki

1:00:48

Wiki

1:00:49

Wiki just left

1:00:51

I think

1:00:51

I think he was just like

1:00:52

I've done this

1:00:54

I'm

1:00:55

Going to do something else

1:00:56

So

1:00:56

People need to remember

1:00:58

That the almighty

1:00:58

Didn't split up

1:00:59

I left

1:01:00

I left the band

1:01:01

So it was on me

1:01:02

It wasn't a case of like

1:01:03

We're splitting up

1:01:04

I just went in and went

1:01:05

Guys you can carry on

1:01:06

If you want

1:01:06

You have my blessing

1:01:08

Get somebody else

1:01:09

Go for it

1:01:10

But I can't do this anymore

1:01:11

And I went back to Dublin

1:01:14

So I licked my wounds

1:01:14

But then I formed the band

1:01:15

Sick

1:01:16

The punk band Sick

1:01:17

That I called through

1:01:17

So I had a

1:01:18

I had a wonderful year

1:01:20

With them

1:01:20

The two guys

1:01:21

And we were a great band

1:01:23

And it was starting to happen

1:01:24

And you know

1:01:25

We had a huge deal

1:01:27

We'd actually

1:01:28

We had a huge deal

1:01:30

Lined up with MCA

1:01:31

After about a year

1:01:32

And that fell through

1:01:34

At the 11th hour

1:01:36

I mean we did

1:01:36

We had the actual contracts

1:01:38

And then the guy

1:01:38

Who was about to sign us

1:01:39

Got fired on the Monday

1:01:41

Yeah

1:01:42

We're not signing any bands

1:01:44

Yeah

1:01:45

Ripped it up

1:01:46

And suddenly I just went

1:01:48

Can't fucking believe this

1:01:49

This is happening again

1:01:50

This bullshit music industry

1:01:52

Industry

1:01:53

Not the music

1:01:53

The industry

1:01:54

Is fucking me

1:01:56

Over and over

1:01:56

And over

1:01:57

And that destroyed me

1:01:58

I just went

1:01:59

I can't go through this again

1:02:01

And

1:02:02

I lost the plot

1:02:04

For about a year and a half

1:02:05

I just went

1:02:05

I just really

1:02:06

Went to a bad

1:02:08

Bad

1:02:08

Bad

1:02:09

Bad place

1:02:09

Because I was about

1:02:10

To hit 30

1:02:11

I had no record deal

1:02:12

I had no management deal

1:02:13

I had no publishing deal

1:02:14

After 10 years

1:02:15

Of the highs

1:02:16

Of the almighty

1:02:17

And even

1:02:18

The one year was sick

1:02:18

And you know

1:02:20

Joe Elliott

1:02:21

Eventually grabbed me

1:02:23

By the scruff of the neck

1:02:24

And went

1:02:24

You need to fucking

1:02:25

Snap out of this

1:02:26

And get your shit together

1:02:27

Because this isn't doing

1:02:28

Anybody any good

1:02:29

Certainly not you

1:02:29

And you know

1:02:31

I was able to secure

1:02:32

A publishing deal

1:02:32

Which provided me

1:02:34

With some money

1:02:34

And he said

1:02:35

Right

1:02:35

We're going into my studio

1:02:36

We're making a record

1:02:37

You're going to reinvent yourself

1:02:40

He says

1:02:40

I've heard you play

1:02:41

The acoustic guitar

1:02:42

I've heard you sing

1:02:43

And not shout

1:02:43

He said

1:02:45

There's something there

1:02:48

And he said

1:02:48

We're going to get

1:02:49

We're going to get that

1:02:50

So

1:02:50

Fair play to Joe

1:02:52

And that's really

1:02:53

And so

1:02:53

The good thing about

1:02:54

Tattoo's Naba

1:02:55

Is sort of reinventing

1:02:57

The whole love

1:02:57

Falling in love

1:02:59

With music all over again

1:03:00

Was the canvas

1:03:01

Was blank

1:03:02

Yeah

1:03:02

I'd done the almighty

1:03:04

I'd done the heaviness

1:03:05

I'd done the guitars

1:03:06

Cranked up

1:03:07

And the big riffs

1:03:07

And all that

1:03:08

I'd done that

1:03:09

For 10, 11, 12 years

1:03:11

But suddenly

1:03:13

There was this

1:03:13

Whole new thing

1:03:14

Where

1:03:14

Okay I'm writing

1:03:15

On an acoustic guitar

1:03:16

I'm singing now

1:03:18

Suddenly all these

1:03:19

Roads opened up to me

1:03:21

You know

1:03:21

And I just was like

1:03:22

This is brilliant

1:03:23

So all these ideas

1:03:24

Started coming

1:03:25

Out of nowhere

1:03:26

And that was

1:03:27

Tattoos and Alibis

1:03:28

Toby Jepson

1:03:29

Was playing a show

1:03:30

At the garage

1:03:31

In Islington

1:03:31

And

1:03:32

He let me

1:03:34

Be special guest

1:03:35

Unannounced

1:03:36

Right

1:03:37

Unannounced

1:03:37

Special guest

1:03:38

And that was

1:03:39

March 2002

1:03:41

So we're almost

1:03:42

Looking at

1:03:42

19 years ago

1:03:43

And

1:03:45

So I went on

1:03:47

With the acoustic guitar

1:03:49

And people

1:03:49

Recognized me

1:03:50

I'm like

1:03:50

Oh it's really

1:03:51

What's he doing

1:03:52

You know

1:03:53

And I went on

1:03:54

And played

1:03:55

Seven or eight

1:03:56

Songs

1:03:57

Acoustic songs

1:03:58

And it was

1:04:00

An amazing experience

1:04:00

I was terrified

1:04:01

I mean I think

1:04:02

I was drenched

1:04:03

You know

1:04:03

I was so nervous

1:04:03

And sweating

1:04:04

I probably didn't

1:04:05

Open my eyes

1:04:06

For the whole show

1:04:06

But that

1:04:07

Because that was

1:04:07

My first time ever

1:04:08

But one of the things

1:04:09

That I did do

1:04:10

When I knew

1:04:11

I was going

1:04:11

In that direction

1:04:12

There's a great

1:04:13

Irish

1:04:14

Folk singer

1:04:15

Called Kieran Goss

1:04:16

Who's unbelievable

1:04:18

And I've co-written

1:04:19

A couple of songs

1:04:20

With him

1:04:20

A couple of songs

1:04:21

I co-wrote

1:04:22

I co-wrote

1:04:22

I co-wrote

1:04:22

Guilty of

1:04:23

Love Many

1:04:25

Trust For You

1:04:25

And Nothing Is Real

1:04:26

On Tattoos

1:04:27

And Albus

1:04:27

And co-wrote

1:04:28

With Kieran

1:04:28

And my publisher

1:04:30

Hooked us up

1:04:31

Together

1:04:31

Kieran's a million

1:04:33

Miles away from me

1:04:34

He's a real folk singer

1:04:35

You know

1:04:35

Totally coming at

1:04:37

Not from a rock angle

1:04:38

At all

1:04:38

But we became

1:04:39

Really good friends

1:04:40

And I would go out

1:04:42

When he was playing

1:04:43

In Ireland

1:04:43

And go to four

1:04:44

Or five shows

1:04:45

Because it was just

1:04:46

Him and acoustic guitar

1:04:46

And watch how he

1:04:48

Interacted with the audience

1:04:49

Watch how he did it

1:04:50

This is how you do

1:04:52

A one man show

1:04:53

And learnt so much

1:04:55

From that

1:04:55

So

1:04:56

Taking that knowledge

1:04:58

That I got from Kieran

1:04:59

And then going into

1:05:00

My own shows

1:05:01

I was like

1:05:01

Right

1:05:01

Obviously it's going to be

1:05:03

Different because you're

1:05:03

Playing to rockers

1:05:04

Of course

1:05:05

So you're not going to

1:05:05

Get the silence

1:05:06

Of a pin dropping

1:05:07

In a folk club

1:05:08

Or

1:05:08

I know that

1:05:10

But certainly

1:05:11

There's a way

1:05:11

That I learned from him

1:05:12

To interact with people

1:05:13

With just

1:05:14

Doing the one man show

1:05:15

And that was

1:05:15

Invaluable to me

1:05:16

You know

1:05:17

So I just

1:05:17

Took what I learned

1:05:18

Put that into

1:05:19

The own show

1:05:20

And it was the best thing

1:05:21

That ever happened to me

1:05:22

Because suddenly

1:05:22

You have to get

1:05:23

You have to be

1:05:24

Really good at the guitar

1:05:25

Your singing

1:05:26

Has to get better

1:05:27

You have to be

1:05:28

More animated

1:05:29

You have to be

1:05:30

More entertaining

1:05:31

Because it's just you

1:05:32

There's nobody else there

1:05:33

Because he's done

1:05:39

A lot hasn't he

1:05:39

You know

1:05:39

Like you say

1:05:40

About him being

1:05:41

The almighty

1:05:43

Yeah

1:05:43

But he's done

1:05:44

All sorts of stuff

1:05:45

You said earlier

1:05:46

Is it like

1:05:46

He's now singing

1:05:47

With the

1:05:48

Black Style Riders

1:05:49

Yeah

1:05:50

So Thin Lizzy

1:05:50

Is Black Style Riders

1:05:52

Yeah he did

1:05:54

Solo stuff as well

1:05:55

His solo stuff

1:05:56

Is really quite cool

1:05:57

I think you

1:05:58

His solo stuff

1:05:59

Is far more

1:06:00

Your kind of thing

1:06:01

Yeah the acoustic-y stuff

1:06:02

Yeah it's kind of

1:06:03

Songwriter-y stuff

1:06:05

You know

1:06:05

But yeah I hadn't realised

1:06:09

I hadn't realised as well

1:06:09

That he was so

1:06:10

Lacking in confidence

1:06:14

About his voice

1:06:15

I always thought

1:06:16

His voice was incredible

1:06:17

Yeah

1:06:17

And yeah hearing him talk

1:06:21

About not being confident

1:06:22

With his voice

1:06:23

You know

1:06:23

And about

1:06:24

The Thin Lizzy stuff

1:06:26

Well you know

1:06:27

I'll do it for a bit

1:06:27

But we need to get

1:06:28

A proper singer

1:06:29

There's so many parallels

1:06:31

To James Hetfield

1:06:34

Dave Mustaine

1:06:36

Yeah

1:06:36

A bunch of others

1:06:38

Right

1:06:38

Who

1:06:39

I guess

1:06:42

Ended up being

1:06:43

Like these

1:06:45

Huge front men

1:06:47

Yeah

1:06:47

Yeah

1:06:48

But you know

1:06:49

You imagine front men

1:06:51

You imagine like

1:06:51

David Lee Roth

1:06:52

Yeah

1:06:53

Or I don't know

1:06:54

Do you know what I mean

1:06:54

Or Aussie Osborne

1:06:55

You imagine these people

1:06:56

Being larger than life

1:06:57

Front men

1:06:58

Who've got confidence

1:06:58

In what they're doing

1:06:59

Yeah

1:07:00

You kind of don't imagine

1:07:01

That somebody's going to

1:07:03

Get on stage

1:07:03

And sing

1:07:04

And play

1:07:05

And be these

1:07:06

You know

1:07:07

Larger than life

1:07:07

Personalities

1:07:08

And then

1:07:09

Get back in the dressing room

1:07:11

Thinking I'm

1:07:11

I just

1:07:12

You know

1:07:12

I'm not very good at this

1:07:14

Yeah

1:07:14

Yeah

1:07:15

Yeah

1:07:16

Yeah

1:07:16

For my singing ability

1:07:18

I thought everything

1:07:19

Had to be

1:07:20

Yelled or screamed

1:07:21

To make your point across

1:07:23

Because the bands

1:07:24

That I grew up on

1:07:25

Like Moorhead

1:07:25

And Stiff Little Fingers

1:07:28

And you know

1:07:29

They were very aggressive

1:07:30

Yeah

1:07:31

You know

1:07:32

So to me

1:07:33

To actually sing

1:07:34

In any other style

1:07:37

Was maybe a sign of weakness

1:07:39

Of like

1:07:40

I'm going to get a big hammer

1:07:41

And hit you over the head

1:07:42

Really hard

1:07:42

Until you hear me

1:07:44

And then somebody kind of goes

1:07:45

You don't need to do it

1:07:46

You just get a small hammer

1:07:47

And keep tapping on somebody's head

1:07:48

And just have

1:07:48

But I think

1:07:49

I think so many people

1:07:50

Suffer from that

1:07:51

Yeah

1:07:52

I

1:07:52

It's

1:07:53

Yeah

1:07:56

I just think that it's

1:07:58

I

1:08:00

I mean it's really heartwarming

1:08:01

To kind of hear

1:08:02

That

1:08:03

That other

1:08:03

Other people

1:08:05

Go through the same thing

1:08:06

But especially people

1:08:06

That are

1:08:07

Really good

1:08:09

Yeah

1:08:10

You know

1:08:10

I guess

1:08:12

You know

1:08:13

That you do it

1:08:14

I mean

1:08:14

I know

1:08:14

That I do it

1:08:15

Yeah

1:08:15

All the time

1:08:16

Yeah

1:08:16

And you know

1:08:18

I don't know

1:08:19

I guess it's quite

1:08:20

Reassuring

1:08:22

I guess

1:08:22

In some ways

1:08:23

That you think

1:08:23

Yeah

1:08:24

I mean

1:08:25

I can't imagine

1:08:25

Ozzy ever going

1:08:26

I might not be very good at this

1:08:28

Do you know what I mean

1:08:29

Or

1:08:29

I can't imagine

1:08:30

David Lee Roth doing that

1:08:31

Or I can't imagine

1:08:32

Coverdale

1:08:33

Yeah

1:08:34

You can imagine David

1:08:35

Coverdale going

1:08:35

Oh it might not be brilliant

1:08:36

I just can't imagine

1:08:38

That ever crosses his mind

1:08:39

You know

1:08:40

But I mean

1:08:41

I interviewed

1:08:41

Joe Elliot

1:08:42

And him saying

1:08:43

You know

1:08:44

I said to him

1:08:45

You know

1:08:45

If you weren't

1:08:46

A singer

1:08:48

If you weren't a vocalist

1:08:49

What would you be

1:08:51

And he said

1:08:51

I don't know

1:08:52

He said

1:08:52

I

1:08:53

I'm still really fortunate

1:08:55

To like be here

1:08:56

And I'm incredibly aware

1:08:57

I'm not even the best singer

1:08:58

In this band

1:08:59

Yeah

1:08:59

You know

1:09:01

And that

1:09:01

That took me a long time

1:09:03

To deal with

1:09:03

And it was incredible

1:09:05

Talking to Joe about that

1:09:06

And you know

1:09:07

Realising that

1:09:08

Yeah you can sell

1:09:09

Millions and millions of albums

1:09:11

And still be full of self-doubt

1:09:13

Yeah

1:09:13

Yeah yeah yeah

1:09:14

So yeah

1:09:15

Absolutely

1:09:15

Incredible

1:09:16

But I have to say

1:09:17

I do

1:09:18

One of the things

1:09:18

I love about this

1:09:19

I love the production style

1:09:20

Yeah

1:09:21

I really like Ricky's lyrics

1:09:22

I think he writes great lyrics

1:09:24

And I love his voice

1:09:25

I think I like them

1:09:26

They've got that punky style

1:09:28

That I really like

1:09:29

That energetic

1:09:29

Kind of

1:09:30

You know

1:09:31

Kick you in the balls

1:09:32

Kind of

1:09:32

Very motorhead-y

1:09:33

Yeah yeah

1:09:34

Kind of just slamming

1:09:35

Yeah yeah

1:09:35

But I love it when they slow down

1:09:37

Like you said

1:09:38

The bandaged knees

1:09:39

Little Lost Sometimes

1:09:39

Yeah the ones I really like

1:09:40

Yeah

1:09:41

They're phenomenal at that

1:09:43

Yeah

1:09:43

Well it kind of hints at

1:09:44

Ricky's songwriting I think

1:09:46

But yeah

1:09:47

Phenomenal record this

1:09:49

I

1:09:49

Yeah

1:09:50

Up there

1:09:51

In

1:09:51

In my all time favourites

1:09:53

I think this one

1:09:54

And did not get

1:09:56

Anywhere near enough love

1:09:57

I don't think

1:09:58

No

1:09:58

The album that come after it

1:09:59

Power Tripping

1:09:59

Black album

1:10:00

Yeah

1:10:01

I think it's Ricky's face

1:10:02

Actually on the cover

1:10:03

Right right

1:10:03

But yeah

1:10:05

That's the one that I think

1:10:06

Most

1:10:07

More

1:10:08

More people knew

1:10:10

But it still didn't break the US

1:10:11

I don't think

1:10:12

No

1:10:12

No

1:10:13

I don't think I got

1:10:14

I've not actually got

1:10:15

I think because these albums are UK

1:10:17

Yeah

1:10:18

We don't get good

1:10:19

Like in the US

1:10:20

You get RIA sales

1:10:21

Yes

1:10:22

Data

1:10:22

So I can just go on the database

1:10:23

And have a look

1:10:24

Yeah

1:10:24

You don't get that

1:10:26

No

1:10:26

Here in the UK

1:10:27

Or if you

1:10:27

I suppose

1:10:28

We get it

1:10:29

But only if they've done well

1:10:31

In the US

1:10:32

And I don't think any of these did

1:10:34

But yeah

1:10:35

This one is

1:10:36

For me

1:10:38

It's up there

1:10:39

It's very British sounding

1:10:40

Great songwriter

1:10:42

Lovely

1:10:43

Vocals

1:10:45

Yeah

1:10:45

Yeah yeah

1:10:46

I think we should play

1:10:48

One more song

1:10:48

And then we should talk about

1:10:50

What we're going to do next week

1:10:51

I think I know what I'm going to do next

1:10:52

Oh yeah you did say that

1:10:53

Yeah

1:10:53

But you haven't revealed this yet

1:10:54

No

1:10:55

Shall we play the song

1:10:57

And then we'll talk about it

1:10:58

While it's playing

1:10:58

Yeah

1:10:59

And then we'll do the telling

1:11:03

And then we'll talk about it

1:11:03

We'll be right back to it

1:11:04

We'll be right back to it

1:11:05

We'll be right back to it

1:11:05

We'll be right back to it

1:11:08

We'll be right back to it

1:11:09

We'll be right back to it

1:11:12

We'll be right back to it

1:11:18

We'll be right back to it

1:11:18

We'll be right back to it

1:11:19

We'll be right back to it

1:11:20

We'll be right back to it

1:11:24

We'll be right back to it

1:11:26

Ain't no use in running

1:11:36

Cause I'll get to you

1:11:40

Ain't no use in praying

1:11:43

Just want to see it through

1:11:47

I believe in nothing

1:11:50

Don't believe in nothing

1:11:52

Don't believe in me

1:11:53

Don't believe in me

1:11:55

We all have our sins baby

1:11:57

Hold on

1:11:59

You will see

1:12:01

I don't want it

1:12:05

Can't make me bleed

1:12:08

No medicine man

1:12:11

It's got what I need

1:12:16

Everything's so free and easy

1:12:21

Everything's so free and wild

1:12:28

Everything's so free and easy

1:12:35

My pretty one

1:12:39

I'll take you for it

1:12:41

Don't need no fire

1:12:47

Yet I fuel my soul

1:12:50

There's enough bitching baby

1:12:54

To do it on its own

1:12:57

And if I get too lazy

1:13:00

Get too lazy

1:13:02

I don't need no show

1:13:04

Don't need no show

1:13:05

Why did they say I believe in nothing

1:13:08

When I believe in love

1:13:11

I don't want it

1:13:15

Can't make me bleed

1:13:18

Can't make me bleed

1:13:20

No medicine man

1:13:22

It's just what I need

1:13:26

Everything's so free and easy

1:13:31

Everything's so free and wild

1:13:38

So free and wild

1:13:40

Everything's so free and easy

1:13:47

I'm pretty one

1:13:49

I'll take you for a ride

1:13:52

Yeah, I'll take you for a ride

1:14:00

I'll take you for a ride

1:14:01

I'll take you for a ride

1:14:02

Yeah, I'll take you for a ride

1:14:08

Yeah, I'll take you for a ride

1:14:10

Yeah, I'll take you for a ride

1:14:11

Yeah, I'll take you for a ride

1:14:12

Yeah, I'll take you for a ride

1:14:13

Yeah, I'll take you for a ride

1:14:13

Yeah, I'll take you for a ride

1:14:14

Yeah, I'll take you for a ride

1:14:15

Yeah, I'll take you for a ride

1:14:16

Yeah, I'll take you for a ride

1:14:16

Yeah, I'll take you for a ride

1:14:17

Yeah, I'll take you for a ride

1:14:18

Yeah, I'll take you for a ride

1:14:19

Yeah, I'll take you for a ride

1:14:20

Yeah, I'll take you for a ride

1:14:20

Yeah, I'll take you for a ride

1:14:20

Yeah, I'll take you for a ride

1:14:22

Everything's so free and easy

1:14:33

Wow

1:14:35

Everything's so free and wild

1:14:40

So free and wild, yeah

1:14:43

Everything's so free and easy

1:14:47

Easy, baby

1:14:50

Yeah, I'll take you for a ride

1:14:52

Yeah, I'll take you for a ride

1:14:52

Yeah, I'll take you for a ride

1:14:54

Yeah, I'll take you for a ride

1:14:54

Yeah, I'll take you for a ride

1:14:57

Yeah, I'll take you for a ride

1:14:57

Yeah, I'll take you for a ride

1:14:58

Everything's so free and easy

1:14:59

Yeah, yeah

1:15:00

Yeah, yeah

1:15:01

Everything's so free and wild

1:15:03

Yeah, yeah

1:15:03

Everything's so free and wild

1:15:07

Yeah, yeah

1:15:08

Whoa, baby

1:15:09

Whoa, baby

1:15:10

Everything's so free and easy

1:15:12

Everything's so free and easy

1:15:14

All right

1:15:16

All right

1:15:18

My dad was an amazing man

1:15:24

And he was very, very supportive

1:15:28

Of me always in what I did musically

1:15:33

Which is amazing because he knew

1:15:35

That I was the only son

1:15:36

No, I was the only son

1:15:37

Farming had been in our family for generations

1:15:39

I was the last of the generation

1:15:42

To keep the farm going

1:15:43

Yeah

1:15:44

It was a small farm, you know

1:15:47

Yeah

1:15:47

My dad was as passionate about farming

1:15:51

As I am about music

1:15:52

I mean, he loved it

1:15:53

Terrible businessman

1:15:55

We were always broke

1:15:56

But because he loved farming

1:15:58

Like a lot of musicians

1:16:00

Great musicians

1:16:01

But terrible business people

1:16:02

He was like that way

1:16:04

So he always

1:16:05

He saw how passionate he was about music

1:16:07

And he just said

1:16:08

Look, if you can get out of this

1:16:10

With music

1:16:12

You have to take it

1:16:13

And he said

1:16:13

Because

1:16:13

Look at, you know

1:16:15

365 days a year

1:16:16

Up at 5.30

1:16:17

Working till the sun goes down

1:16:19

Yeah

1:16:19

You know

1:16:20

Barely making a living

1:16:22

Blah, blah, blah

1:16:23

I mean, there's a lot of parallels there

1:16:25

You know what I mean

1:16:26

But he just sort of said

1:16:28

You know, you have to

1:16:29

And he encouraged me the whole way

1:16:31

But he

1:16:31

But it was definitely like

1:16:33

Because I think if he just saw

1:16:34

I wasn't trying

1:16:35

Or I was half-assed

1:16:36

It would be a different story

1:16:37

But he actually saw

1:16:38

How important it was to me

1:16:40

To be successful

1:16:42

At what I loved

1:16:42

And one of the greatest things

1:16:44

Robert was

1:16:44

He passed away five years ago

1:16:46

Yeah

1:16:46

And

1:16:47

Even when he died

1:16:50

He was more rock and roll

1:16:51

Than me

1:16:51

Because when we went

1:16:52

Went to the crematorium

1:16:54

And his coffin was going

1:16:56

Under the flames

1:16:57

He demanded that

1:16:58

Free and easy

1:16:59

Be played

1:16:59

Full

1:17:00

Oh, fantastic

1:17:01

Over the system

1:17:03

You know

1:17:04

So

1:17:04

It's going in there

1:17:06

And free and easy

1:17:07

He's blaring

1:17:07

Tears streaming down my cheeks

1:17:09

Yeah

1:17:09

And just laughing

1:17:10

Yeah

1:17:11

You know

1:17:11

I was like

1:17:12

You beat me

1:17:13

How can I talk that

1:17:14

That's the most

1:17:15

That's the most rock and roll thing

1:17:16

I've ever seen

1:17:17

Yeah

1:17:18

You know

1:17:18

So that's the type of guy

1:17:20

My dad was

1:17:21

What are we putting on next then?

1:17:22

So I'll give you a choice

1:17:23

In it

1:17:24

So there's two that I really want to do

1:17:27

Yeah

1:17:27

Next

1:17:28

And there's a big long list

1:17:29

Of ones that I think

1:17:31

I want to do

1:17:31

These kind of British-y bands

1:17:33

Yeah

1:17:34

But the next

1:17:35

And I think this is just the order

1:17:36

We're going to do these

1:17:37

Not which one

1:17:38

Yeah

1:17:39

So they're both happening

1:17:40

Yeah

1:17:40

So one is

1:17:42

And the reason is

1:17:43

Because they're both

1:17:44

Produced by Andy Taylor

1:17:45

Yeah

1:17:46

So one is Gun

1:17:48

Taking on the World

1:17:49

That's their debut

1:17:50

I absolutely adore the album

1:17:52

I've still got

1:17:53

Original copy of that one

1:17:55

I absolutely love it

1:17:56

And the second one is

1:17:59

Thunder's Backstreet Symphony

1:18:01

So Taking on the World

1:18:02

89

1:18:02

And Backstreet Symphony

1:18:04

Was 1990

1:18:04

Yeah

1:18:05

I think after

1:18:07

I think

1:18:07

Thunder

1:18:08

I think they kind of

1:18:11

Started to chase that

1:18:11

Def Leppard sound

1:18:12

A little bit after this

1:18:14

But this debut

1:18:15

Backstreet Symphony

1:18:16

Yeah

1:18:16

I don't know

1:18:17

It's got that song

1:18:18

On it as well

1:18:19

The one

1:18:19

What's it called

1:18:21

Which one

1:18:21

Oh yeah

1:18:24

Yeah

1:18:24

Yeah

1:18:24

It has

1:18:25

It's got

1:18:25

Love Walked In

1:18:27

Yeah

1:18:28

It's got Love Walked In

1:18:29

And it's got

1:18:29

Dirty Love

1:18:30

Don't Wait For Me

1:18:31

Yeah

1:18:32

She's So Fine

1:18:33

I'm tempted

1:18:34

I think we're

1:18:35

I think we're

1:18:35

Do you know

1:18:36

As albums go

1:18:37

Yeah

1:18:37

It's

1:18:38

It came from nowhere

1:18:42

Yeah

1:18:42

I remember

1:18:43

My friend having this

1:18:45

And

1:18:45

It was just one of these

1:18:47

What's that

1:18:48

Yeah

1:18:48

Do you know what I mean

1:18:49

What on earth is that

1:18:50

It's incredible

1:18:51

And again

1:18:53

Another band

1:18:54

I just cannot believe

1:18:55

Didn't break bigger than

1:18:56

Than they did

1:18:58

And similarly

1:18:59

With Gun

1:18:59

Actually

1:19:00

Yeah

1:19:00

I can't believe

1:19:01

That Gun

1:19:02

Like Gun

1:19:03

Released

1:19:04

Hombre's

1:19:05

In 2024

1:19:06

So they're both

1:19:09

They're both

1:19:09

Gun and

1:19:10

They're both doing

1:19:10

New material

1:19:11

Yeah

1:19:11

They're both still

1:19:12

Doing stuff

1:19:12

Yeah

1:19:13

And I think

1:19:14

That so Gun

1:19:15

Like Gun's

1:19:16

First three albums

1:19:17

For me

1:19:17

I just think

1:19:18

Are just

1:19:18

Phenomenal

1:19:19

Absolutely phenomenal

1:19:20

There's not a

1:19:20

Like a

1:19:21

There's no filler

1:19:22

In any of it

1:19:23

They're just

1:19:24

Incredible records

1:19:25

But Gun

1:19:27

Did Hombre's

1:19:27

In 2024

1:19:28

I think it was

1:19:28

That album

1:19:29

Of the year

1:19:29

It's up there

1:19:30

It's been one

1:19:30

Of the best albums

1:19:31

Out of the year

1:19:32

I mean you just

1:19:32

Played a bit of it

1:19:33

Just now

1:19:34

It's magnificent

1:19:35

You wouldn't know

1:19:36

The production is

1:19:36

Magnificent

1:19:37

Oh god yeah

1:19:37

But you wouldn't know

1:19:38

Sounds incredible

1:19:39

You wouldn't

1:19:39

If you were relying

1:19:41

On the press

1:19:41

To tell you

1:19:42

Yeah yeah

1:19:42

Yeah yeah

1:19:42

Yeah yeah

1:19:42

Yeah yeah

1:19:43

And for some

1:19:45

It's weird isn't it

1:19:45

For some reason

1:19:46

Some of these bands

1:19:47

Just don't

1:19:49

Don't break

1:19:49

Out of the

1:19:50

Out of the UK

1:19:51

Which is a massive shame

1:19:54

But

1:19:54

I think Gun

1:19:55

Have got one

1:19:56

Of the best rock

1:19:57

Sound

1:19:57

Rock sounds going

1:19:59

When they got to

1:20:00

In the world

1:20:00

Yeah

1:20:01

It's absolutely

1:20:02

Like that swagger sound

1:20:03

Once they got to

1:20:04

Swagger

1:20:04

It's such a bite

1:20:05

On their guitar tone

1:20:06

Unbelievable

1:20:06

It's kind of

1:20:07

Yeah I don't know

1:20:09

How they get that tone

1:20:10

But it's got

1:20:10

It's kind of

1:20:12

It's a bite

1:20:14

It's not crunchy

1:20:15

It's kind of

1:20:15

It's like electrifying

1:20:17

It's got like a real

1:20:18

And really loud

1:20:20

But without

1:20:21

Doing that

1:20:22

Over compressed

1:20:23

Squash thing

1:20:23

Yeah it's not too

1:20:24

Doesn't sound like

1:20:25

It's heavily layered

1:20:25

To me

1:20:26

No maybe it's that

1:20:27

Maybe it's

1:20:28

Good sounds

1:20:29

And not over saturating it

1:20:30

Maybe it's that

1:20:31

Yeah it could be

1:20:31

It could be

1:20:32

Because the American sound

1:20:33

Is quite layered

1:20:34

And thick isn't it

1:20:35

Yeah yeah yeah

1:20:35

It's got

1:20:35

You end up

1:20:36

With this

1:20:37

Like weight

1:20:38

To it

1:20:38

Yeah yeah

1:20:39

And I think

1:20:39

With the

1:20:40

The British sound

1:20:41

It's got a lot

1:20:41

More bite

1:20:42

It kind of

1:20:43

Cuts through

1:20:43

I'll tell you

1:20:45

The other thing

1:20:46

You can hear

1:20:46

A lot with this

1:20:47

You can hear

1:20:48

The bass

1:20:48

Guitars

1:20:49

A lot

1:20:50

I think

1:20:50

A little clearer

1:20:51

Than perhaps you can

1:20:52

On the

1:20:52

The bigger

1:20:53

Thicker US

1:20:54

I think on

1:20:55

The

1:20:55

A lot of the

1:20:56

US hard rock

1:20:57

It's all about

1:20:58

The guitar isn't it

1:20:59

Yeah

1:20:59

And the bass

1:21:00

The bass

1:21:01

Add some weight

1:21:01

To it

1:21:02

And add some

1:21:02

Thump to it

1:21:03

Yeah

1:21:03

But you end up

1:21:05

With this

1:21:05

Like you can

1:21:07

Feel the US

1:21:08

Yeah

1:21:08

Guitar

1:21:09

You know

1:21:09

Like if you think

1:21:11

About the Brian Adams

1:21:12

Yeah yeah yeah

1:21:12

Or Def Leppard

1:21:13

Or you end up

1:21:14

With a

1:21:14

Like this really

1:21:15

Kind of

1:21:16

Weighty guitar

1:21:19

Yeah yeah

1:21:20

Whereas this

1:21:21

Is like

1:21:21

You know

1:21:22

It's kind of

1:21:23

Feels like it's

1:21:24

Piercing

1:21:24

Almost

1:21:25

Yeah

1:21:25

Do you know

1:21:25

When somebody

1:21:26

Hangs onto a note

1:21:27

Or there's

1:21:28

Something going on

1:21:30

It just feels like

1:21:31

It's cutting

1:21:32

Yeah

1:21:32

I'm probably using

1:21:34

The wrong words

1:21:34

To describe it

1:21:35

But yeah

1:21:36

There is definitely

1:21:37

Something different

1:21:38

About the tone

1:21:38

So what should we do

1:21:40

We've got Thunder

1:21:40

Backstreet Symphony

1:21:41

Or Gun

1:21:42

Taken on the World

1:21:42

See I think

1:21:43

We should do

1:21:43

Thunder next

1:21:43

Personally

1:21:44

Thunder

1:21:45

So let's do

1:21:45

Backstreet Symphony

1:21:46

1990

1:21:47

Looking forward

1:21:48

To this one

1:21:48

It is a

1:21:49

Banger

1:21:50

And it's got

1:21:51

So many big

1:21:52

Singles on it

1:21:53

And I can't

1:21:54

Believe

1:21:54

I reckon

1:21:55

Tons of our

1:21:56

American listeners

1:21:57

Will not

1:21:57

Probably love

1:22:00

Walked in

1:22:00

Because that was

1:22:01

Quite a big hit

1:22:01

Wasn't it

1:22:01

It was

1:22:02

But I don't

1:22:02

Think it was

1:22:03

I'm going to

1:22:04

Do some research

1:22:05

And see what

1:22:06

Happened with these

1:22:06

Albums in the

1:22:07

US

1:22:07

Because that's

1:22:08

What happens

1:22:09

Obviously if they

1:22:10

Break in the

1:22:11

I mean the US

1:22:12

Is like

1:22:12

The biggest music

1:22:13

Market

1:22:14

There is

1:22:15

For rock music

1:22:16

So if it

1:22:17

Breaks

1:22:18

If an album

1:22:19

Or a band

1:22:19

Breaks in the

1:22:20

US

1:22:20

I think everybody

1:22:21

Knows them

1:22:22

Do you know

1:22:22

What I mean

1:22:22

They just become

1:22:23

Massive

1:22:24

Whereas I think

1:22:26

For whatever

1:22:26

Reason

1:22:27

I say for

1:22:28

Whatever reason

1:22:29

The reason a lot

1:22:30

Of these didn't

1:22:31

Break in the

1:22:32

US is because

1:22:33

You had Metallica

1:22:34

And Guns of

1:22:35

Roses

1:22:35

And Pearl Jam

1:22:36

And Town

1:22:37

It's hard to

1:22:39

I mean how do

1:22:39

You break

1:22:40

As good as

1:22:42

Backstreet Symphony

1:22:43

Was

1:22:43

I mean it was

1:22:44

A phenomenal

1:22:45

Record

1:22:46

1990

1:22:47

It's not

1:22:48

Competing with

1:22:48

It's not

1:22:49

Competing with

1:22:50

Ten

1:22:50

Into Summer

1:22:51

It's not

1:22:51

Competing with

1:22:51

Alive

1:22:52

It's not

1:22:52

Competing with

1:22:53

Yeah

1:22:53

It's a different

1:22:54

It's a different

1:22:55

Type of album

1:22:55

Teen Spirit

1:22:56

Now's the time

1:22:57

To bring it

1:22:58

Back

1:22:58

Those albums

1:23:00

Are gone

1:23:00

You've got time

1:23:01

You've got time

1:23:02

To listen to

1:23:03

This old

1:23:05

British rock

1:23:06

Well thanks for

1:23:07

Listening

1:23:08

Thank you very much

1:23:08

Love you bye

1:23:09

Love you bye